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5/8-5/10 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 10, 2015 14:51:57 GMT -5
Victorino in RF against Kazmir tomorrow night? Wonder if they are sending JBJ back or what the next move is. DFA Jimenez?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 10, 2015 14:52:47 GMT -5
This is a good baseball team.
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Post by jimed14 on May 10, 2015 14:55:21 GMT -5
Victorino in RF against Kazmir tomorrow night? Wonder if they are sending JBJ back or what the next move is. DFA Jimenez? DFA'ing Jimenez makes more sense for a west coast trip. We could use better OF defense on the west coast. Maybe give Hanley a night off in Oakland too.
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Post by jmei on May 10, 2015 15:02:07 GMT -5
I'm willing to accept the stat guys telling me the sox pitcher's should be doing better. I hope they also agree that Xander should be hitting less than 250 with his weak swing? Yes. ADD: with the caveat that the bigger issue is not his batting average (it's possible to hit for a decent average even if you aren't hitting the ball hard if you're not striking out much and blooping a lot of opposite-field singles-- call it the Dee Gordon special), it's that he's not hitting for any power.
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Post by ray88h66 on May 10, 2015 15:08:45 GMT -5
I'm willing to accept the stat guys telling me the sox pitcher's should be doing better. I hope they also agree that Xander should be hitting less than 250 with his weak swing? Yes. ADD: with the caveat that the bigger issue is not his batting average (it's possible to hit for a decent average even if you aren't hitting the ball hard if you're not striking out much and blooping a lot of opposite-field singles-- call it the Dee Gordon special), it's that he's not hitting for any power. Thank you. That matches the eye test.Which I admit can be wrong. I still think Xander will hit for power and a decent average. Jimed's answer doesn't match what I'm seeing so far.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 10, 2015 15:10:45 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad *that* little bit of unpleasantness is behind us! First place, here we come ...
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 10, 2015 15:14:23 GMT -5
Victorino in RF against Kazmir tomorrow night? Wonder if they are sending JBJ back or what the next move is. DFA Jimenez? DFA'ing Jimenez makes more sense for a west coast trip. We could use better OF defense on the west coast. Maybe give Hanley a night off in Oakland too. I know its a bad idea but i wish we could see Hanley at 3rd against Kazmir, just so we dont have to watch Panda swing from the right side lol...
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Post by jmei on May 10, 2015 15:53:02 GMT -5
DFA'ing Jimenez makes more sense for a west coast trip. We could use better OF defense on the west coast. Maybe give Hanley a night off in Oakland too. I know its a bad idea but i wish we could see Hanley at 3rd against Kazmir, just so we dont have to watch Panda swing from the right side lol... Wouldn't be surprised if Holt gives Sandoval the day off.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 10, 2015 16:24:55 GMT -5
Victorino in RF against Kazmir tomorrow night? Wonder if they are sending JBJ back or what the next move is. DFA Jimenez? DFA'ing Jimenez makes more sense for a west coast trip. We could use better OF defense on the west coast. Maybe give Hanley a night off in Oakland too. Holt going back to the super utility role makes Jimenez superfluous (unless you think they acquired him for his bat), so that seems to be the clear move.
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Post by m1keyboots on May 10, 2015 17:38:24 GMT -5
I am not the biggest clay fan. But is it just me or did the guy get no calls, frustrating to watch. Also, I love mooks in center, and want him to develop. But if you have possibly the best defensive center fielder in the game, why leave him in rf? I feel like if Jackie doesn't hit right away him chasing down bullets in center is the thing that keeps his confidence.
Edit for some spelling and other ppl already saying the same thing about clay
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Post by chavopepe2 on May 10, 2015 18:14:58 GMT -5
I am not the biggest clay fan. But is it just me or did the guy get no calls, frustrating to watch. Also, I love mooks in center, and want him to develop. But if you have possibly the best defensive center fielder in the game, why leave him in rf? I feel like if Jackie doesn't hit right away him chasing down bullets in center is the thing that keeps his confidence. Edit for some spelling and other ppl already saying the same thing about clay In Fenway at least, Bradley will have plenty of opportunities to show off his defensive chops.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 10, 2015 19:11:35 GMT -5
I am not the biggest clay fan. But is it just me or did the guy get no calls, frustrating to watch. Also, I love mooks in center, and want him to develop. But if you have possibly the best defensive center fielder in the game, why leave him in rf? I feel like if Jackie doesn't hit right away him chasing down bullets in center is the thing that keeps his confidence. Edit for some spelling and other ppl already saying the same thing about clay Mookie has turned into a good CFer, but how many reps has he had in RF? It's very possible that Mookie in CF and JBJ in right is the superior defensive alignment (i.e. JBJ is more superior to Mookie in RF than he is in CF) ... besides, JBJ is likely going back to AAA when Castillo is ready, so it's better to leave Mookie where he is.
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Post by ericmvan on May 11, 2015 0:52:55 GMT -5
I am not the biggest clay fan. But is it just me or did the guy get no calls, frustrating to watch. Also, I love mooks in center, and want him to develop. But if you have possibly the best defensive center fielder in the game, why leave him in rf? I feel like if Jackie doesn't hit right away him chasing down bullets in center is the thing that keeps his confidence. Edit for some spelling and other ppl already saying the same thing about clay Mookie has turned into a good CFer, but how many reps has he had in RF? It's very possible that Mookie in CF and JBJ in right is the superior defensive alignment (i.e. JBJ is more superior to Mookie in RF than he is in CF) ... besides, JBJ is likely going back to AAA when Castillo is ready, so it's better to leave Mookie where he is. JBJ was +17 R/150, DRS, in CF last year. Mookie so far this year is +43. Obviously, the sample size is smaller. UZR does give JBJ the edge, 22.6 to 21.0. It would be safe to call it a wash. Mookie has been at least as extraordinary out there, all the more amazing given how long he's been playing the position. (Incidentally, I do put more stock in DRS, which has been continually rethought and updated, whereas I don't think that's true of UZR.)
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Post by youngbillrussell on May 11, 2015 6:36:03 GMT -5
1-0 with Carl
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 11, 2015 8:30:04 GMT -5
Mookie has turned into a good CFer, but how many reps has he had in RF? It's very possible that Mookie in CF and JBJ in right is the superior defensive alignment (i.e. JBJ is more superior to Mookie in RF than he is in CF) ... besides, JBJ is likely going back to AAA when Castillo is ready, so it's better to leave Mookie where he is. JBJ was +17 R/150, DRS, in CF last year. Mookie so far this year is +43. Obviously, the sample size is smaller. UZR does give JBJ the edge, 22.6 to 21.0. It would be safe to call it a wash. Mookie has been at least as extraordinary out there, all the more amazing given how long he's been playing the position. (Incidentally, I do put more stock in DRS, which has been continually rethought and updated, whereas I don't think that's true of UZR.) I dunno if I'd call it "safe" to call it a wash ... I mean, my original point was that Mookie's good enough in CF that the upgrade to JBJ isn't that big a deal, so I'm all about how good Mookie has been in center. But defensive stats take quite a while to normalize, so I think some humility in using them to draw conclusions after 5 weeks is in order. The fallible eye test tells me that Mookie's very quick out there, extremely athletic, has a great glove when he gets to a ball, but sometimes takes poor routes or gets a sub-optimal jump on the ball. He's really, really good and looks like he will be elite very quickly, but I think JBJ's better right now. Of course, it's an amazing testament to Mookie's ability that you can even make a credible case that he's a wash with JBJ.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 11, 2015 8:47:23 GMT -5
Seriously, I know Mookie has gotten a lot better in center, but nobody in their right mind is going to take Mookie over Bradley in CF in a vacuum.
Way I look at it, Mookie's in a groove, so don't mess with it. As others have said, it's not like he's a butcher out there, and the Red Sox have a home park such that putting Bradley in right on nights he plays, rather than bouncing Mookie back and forth, isn't a waste of his defensive abilities.
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Post by m1keyboots on May 11, 2015 21:17:35 GMT -5
I am not the biggest clay fan. But is it just me or did the guy get no calls, frustrating to watch. Also, I love mooks in center, and want him to develop. But if you have possibly the best defensive center fielder in the game, why leave him in rf? I feel like if Jackie doesn't hit right away him chasing down bullets in center is the thing that keeps his confidence. Edit for some spelling and other ppl already saying the same thing about clay Mookie has turned into a good CFer, but how many reps has he had in RF? It's very possible that Mookie in CF and JBJ in right is the superior defensive alignment (i.e. JBJ is more superior to Mookie in RF than he is in CF) ... besides, JBJ is likely going back to AAA when Castillo is ready, so it's better to leave Mookie where he is. I think selfishy, having played cf in hs and adult leagues...JBJ just spoiled me with his range and *accurate* cannon. I actually agree with everything you said. I'd love to see Jackies bat come to a level where he is a starter, but we dont see enough offensively to put himself ahead of Rusney or Mookie on any depth chart. Mookie has made strides, according to the eye test (and defensive metrics), but I can't be convinced that mooks is a better defender in cf. Biased admittedly. Just feel like its a waste to be forced to miss out on sublime defense. Mooks advancement in cf has eased the transition, and I just hope castillos Cuban gold glove translates to right when he's called up ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .
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Post by okin15 on May 12, 2015 9:59:33 GMT -5
JBJ could get nearly a starters PA's next year as the bench OF bat who spells Castillo and Mookie against many RHP. He'd even get a few innings in a larger LF ballpark, and then of course there'd be the inevitable injury innings, pinch running innings, and pinch hit situations against a ROOGY.
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Post by mgoetze on May 12, 2015 10:09:55 GMT -5
JBJ could get nearly a starters PA's next year as the bench OF bat who spells Castillo and Mookie against many RHP. He'd even get a few innings in a larger LF ballpark, and then of course there'd be the inevitable injury innings, pinch running innings, and pinch hit situations against a ROOGY. I don't think John Farrell has ever heard of "pinch hit situations against a ROOGY". Of course I do hope JF won't be around next year. As for pinch running, JBJ runs better than Ortiz of course, but he's not really a classic 4th outfielder in that regard, his baserunning is nothing special.
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Post by jimed14 on May 12, 2015 10:25:21 GMT -5
JBJ could get nearly a starters PA's next year as the bench OF bat who spells Castillo and Mookie against many RHP. He'd even get a few innings in a larger LF ballpark, and then of course there'd be the inevitable injury innings, pinch running innings, and pinch hit situations against a ROOGY. I don't think John Farrell has ever heard of "pinch hit situations against a ROOGY". Of course I do hope JF won't be around next year. As for pinch running, JBJ runs better than Ortiz of course, but he's not really a classic 4th outfielder in that regard, his baserunning is nothing special. Top 9 Shane Victorino lines out to right fielder Josh Reddick. Bottom 9 Defensive Substitution: Jackie Bradley replaces right fielder Shane Victorino, batting 7th, playing right field. I won't even get into leaving Hanley in LF for the bottom of the 11th.
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Post by klostrophobic on May 12, 2015 10:50:22 GMT -5
Farrell is just doing his part to ensure Victorino gets his career OPS+ below 100. Another hundred at bats should do it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 12, 2015 11:42:54 GMT -5
I don't think John Farrell has ever heard of "pinch hit situations against a ROOGY". Of course I do hope JF won't be around next year. As for pinch running, JBJ runs better than Ortiz of course, but he's not really a classic 4th outfielder in that regard, his baserunning is nothing special. Top 9 Shane Victorino lines out to right fielder Josh Reddick. Bottom 9 Defensive Substitution: Jackie Bradley replaces right fielder Shane Victorino, batting 7th, playing right field. I won't even get into leaving Hanley in LF for the bottom of the 11th. Farrell stated before the game that Victorino is at "90 percent." Might have had as much to do worth that as defense.
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Post by jimed14 on May 12, 2015 11:58:02 GMT -5
Top 9 Shane Victorino lines out to right fielder Josh Reddick. Bottom 9 Defensive Substitution: Jackie Bradley replaces right fielder Shane Victorino, batting 7th, playing right field. I won't even get into leaving Hanley in LF for the bottom of the 11th. Farrell stated before the game that Victorino is at "90 percent." Might have had as much to do worth that as defense. That's fine, but you'd still PH with either JBJ or Holt against a RHP in the top of the 9th especially if you're taking him out a half inning later.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 12, 2015 13:09:22 GMT -5
Farrell stated before the game that Victorino is at "90 percent." Might have had as much to do worth that as defense. That's fine, but you'd still PH with either JBJ or Holt against a RHP in the top of the 9th especially if you're taking him out a half inning later. Hadn't realized that's what you were getting at.
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