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5/22-5/24 Red Sox vs. Angels Series Thread
TX
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Post by TX on May 22, 2015 20:51:01 GMT -5
Stop it. Hosmer was a shmuck for 4 years, as was Moustakas. Cain and Perez are still shmucks, as far as we know. Given their past 3 years, I'd take pretty much every positional player the Sox have over them. I like their pitchers though. Would trade staffs in an instant. Hosmer was actually very good in 2013. Cain is not a "schmuck", he's a defense first center fielder with speed, which might enable him to sustain a high babip. At least a 3 win center fielder, more if you believe in his offense. Moustakas confuses me. Perez stepped in and was good, a strong defensive catcher with some offense, took very little time to develop. Think it's very strong to dismiss them as "schmucks". Like I said, I'd take Ramirez, Betts, Panda and Vasquez over them all. The depth too. The pitching you can have.
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Post by redsox4242 on May 22, 2015 20:51:38 GMT -5
Here we go, 1 run in.. bases still loaded no outs!!
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Post by redsox4242 on May 22, 2015 20:54:39 GMT -5
Pedroia with a rocket up the middle, hits Richards. 11-5 now!! bases still loaded!!
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Post by redsox4242 on May 22, 2015 20:56:02 GMT -5
Where did everyone go? we have a rally going here!!!
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Post by ajs1994 on May 22, 2015 20:57:33 GMT -5
Like I said, I'd take Ramirez, Betts, Panda and Vasquez over them all. The depth too. The pitching you can have. I'd definitely take Perez over Vasquez. Only a few months older and while a step down defensively, better offensively. And Perez is still a tremendous defender. I take Hosmer over Panda and Hanley, considering the youth and upside and the cost of both those players. But that is close. Cain doesn't really have a place on this team, but he's still a good player. More on topic, Nava is battling but his righthanded swing is just atrocious.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 22, 2015 21:01:40 GMT -5
Where did everyone go? we have a rally going here!!! everyone lookin' for their rally cap, which explains the low babip ... that Rally Monkey was scientifically proven to elevate BABIP by 50 points ... but, LAA on the road doesn't work.
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Post by jdb on May 22, 2015 21:04:43 GMT -5
Well that sucked.
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Post by Guidas on May 22, 2015 21:05:53 GMT -5
Hell of an AB by Nava,especially with him having very little experience LH on LHP.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 22, 2015 21:06:58 GMT -5
And with that, so goes Daniel Nava's tenure with the big club.
There's really no excuse for him to be on this team anymore.
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Post by ajs1994 on May 22, 2015 21:07:37 GMT -5
Hell of an AB by Nava,especially with him having very little experience LH on LHP. He was batting right-handed. Also Breslow is in, time for the Angels to score some more runs.
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Post by Guidas on May 22, 2015 21:10:21 GMT -5
And now for your in game viewing pleasure, Ladies and Gentlemen, may we offer...The Breslow!
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 22, 2015 21:10:25 GMT -5
Oh goody, Sweet Caroline coming up soon!
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Post by Guidas on May 22, 2015 21:11:56 GMT -5
Hell of an AB by Nava,especially with him having very little experience LH on LHP. He was batting right-handed. Also Breslow is in, time for the Angels to score some more runs. Couldve sworn Game day had him in left handed. Ok, this local Vodka doing a fine job.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 22, 2015 21:15:14 GMT -5
So good! So good!! So good!!!
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Post by redsox4242 on May 22, 2015 21:18:04 GMT -5
And now for your in game viewing pleasure, Ladies and Gentlemen, may we offer...The Breslow! LOL!!
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Post by Guidas on May 22, 2015 21:25:00 GMT -5
This team is getting ready to go on a seious run. How serious. It depends how man fans will be chasing them.
Seriously, I predict 32 of their next 45.
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Post by johnmark on May 22, 2015 21:26:40 GMT -5
This team is getting ready to go on a seious run. How serious. It depends how man fans will be chasing them. Seriously, I predict 32 of their next 45. That must be the vodka talking
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Post by station13 on May 22, 2015 21:28:38 GMT -5
So good! So good!! So good!!! your avatar is about right
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 22, 2015 21:31:18 GMT -5
Any promising kids in next year's draft?
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TX
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Post by TX on May 22, 2015 21:38:16 GMT -5
Any promising kids in next year's draft? Plenty
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 22, 2015 21:43:52 GMT -5
No, but an incompetent manager seems to work better. Farrell is the worst. He was going to get fired in Toronto. Not sure what he does that you think is so great. Never said he was great, but I do give him credit for rallying a prior Ben clusterpuck to a title 2 years ago. But let's look at the facts here: 1) Farrell: won title with crappy roster in his first year. 2) Ben: Has built crappy rosters since promoted to GM. Thinks pitching is immaterial. Really, if you had to wager good money guessing the shmuck here, who would it be? Really? So Farell gets all the credit on 2013 and Ben gets none? That's fair. crappy roster? Go through all the numbers of each player that year. Ben put together a reasonable rotation with what should have been an elite offense. His bad moves are getting rid of Ruby too soon and cutting bait with Vavaro before Mujica. That's about it. He decimated Baltimore in that trade for miller.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 22, 2015 21:43:53 GMT -5
we didn't see Leon at 3B tonite ... inexplicable. It's probably his natural position.
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TX
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Post by TX on May 22, 2015 21:45:27 GMT -5
Never said he was great, but I do give him credit for rallying a prior Ben clusterpuck to a title 2 years ago. But let's look at the facts here: 1) Farrell: won title with crappy roster in his first year. 2) Ben: Has built crappy rosters since promoted to GM. Thinks pitching is immaterial. Really, if you had to wager good money guessing the shmuck here, who would it be? Really? So Farell gets all the credit on 2013 and Ben gets none? That's fair. crappy roster? Go through all the numbers of each player that year. Ben put together a reasonable rotation with what should have been an elite offense. His bad moves are getting rid of Ruby too soon and cutting bait with Vavaro before Mujica. That's about it. He decimated Baltimore in that trade for miller. Wait, I'm adjusting my rally cap
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 22, 2015 22:01:04 GMT -5
Trade for a quality starter and this all ends. Kick Farrell's worst starter to the BP and move everyone else down a notch. That will resolve everything, regardless of the mathematicians take on our offense. The heck with trading for an elite starter. Why should the Sox decimate their farm system for a rental, especially when this team is more than 1 player short of being a serious threat to win anything important? I agree wholeheartedly that the Sox need a legit ace. I never bought this argument of the Orioles winning the division last year with mediocre pitching, so the Sox would be fine. First of all, the Orioles pitched a lot better than the Sox are doing now, and secondly, when the Sox won in 04 they had Schilling and Pedro, and when they won in 07 they had Beckett, and when they won in 13, Lester, who was a quasi ace pitched like an ace in the 2nd half of the season and in the post-season. The current Sox have nobody like that on their pitching staff now and nobody on the horizon who's likely to do that, although Rodriguez could be a front-line starter. No, the Sox need to swallow hard and try to make the best big investment they can make in a free agent starter. They might have to throw $200 million at Cueto, Zimmerman, or Price. Then they have to hope they get 4 or 5 strong years out of 7, and that one of the kids down the road becomes an ace around the time the contract starts becoming an albatross. The Sox didn't want to spend $150 million on Lester, so now if they want somebody of his quality or better, it will cost them a lot more. As for the offense, it's a friggin joke. They finally put themselves in a position to score double digits in runs, yet they only scored 5 runs. Stupid baserunning/coaching and terrible hitting in the clutch - how do you load the bases with no outs and fail to score? How do the Red Sox continue to hit like crap with runners on? While there are definite truths in lousy BABIP luck and lousy pitching luck with FIPs better than ERAs, at some point, you get sick of hearing it. With so many stats available, the only one that really, really matters is winning percentage, which is a very simple stat. That's the bottom line. Everything else pales in comparison. When the Sox are finding ways to win, you don't hear about good luck with BABIP or runners in scoring position, etc. You concentrate on enjoying how the Sox win, and you feel confident that they'll find a way to win no matter what. With this group, you feel they'll find a way to lose no matter what. You have to wonder if the players themselves sense this just like they seemed to sense they'd win in 2013 ("The movie has already been written. Just push play" - Gomes and Salty say to Peavy upon his arrival). I got nailed for saying the Sox were digging themselves a little hole awhile back. They're still digging. There is a lot of time to turn things around, and they're only 4.5 games out, and the division is weak, but when the Sox had a chance to reach .500 at Fenway, they started losing again. There is something that can't be measured in stats, that seems off with this team. This team is capable of winning 85 - 90 games like they did in the 1988 and 1990 seasons and sneaking away with a division title, but given the way they smell this year, it's just as likely they'll wind up losing 90 games and finishing last again.
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TX
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Post by TX on May 22, 2015 22:03:16 GMT -5
Never said he was great, but I do give him credit for rallying a prior Ben clusterpuck to a title 2 years ago. But let's look at the facts here: 1) Farrell: won title with crappy roster in his first year. 2) Ben: Has built crappy rosters since promoted to GM. Thinks pitching is immaterial. Really, if you had to wager good money guessing the shmuck here, who would it be? Really? So Farell gets all the credit on 2013 and Ben gets none? That's fair. crappy roster? Go through all the numbers of each player that year. Ben put together a reasonable rotation with what should have been an elite offense. His bad moves are getting rid of Ruby too soon and cutting bait with Vavaro before Mujica. That's about it. He decimated Baltimore in that trade for miller. None. Since luck is not part of my vocabulary, those crappy players had to be motivated into career years, and that motivation is far more likely to have occured on the field than in some posh executive office surveying 18 year olds. Vic stayed relatively healthy for it; Nava, Gomes, Drew, Salty, and Carp hit for it; Xander was uplifted by it, and Lester decided it was all worth the trouble. But Ben could not have predicted any of it, and if history is a guide he probably preferred trading Lester for a closer once his options went down. Chances are, someone above Ben probably ordered him to leave it alone, or he would have ruined it.
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