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Battle for top 10 (protected) draft picks in 2016 draft
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 3, 2015 16:21:25 GMT -5
Thanks for keeping up with this amfox1.
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Post by mjammz on Oct 3, 2015 21:24:32 GMT -5
Red Sox will pick either 12th or 13th. Arizona needs to win one of the final two games and Sox need to lose tomorrow to pick #12. Sox win or D'Backs lose both games we pick #13.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 3, 2015 21:29:38 GMT -5
Good enough. We gained a few draft positions in the past few days. Worth the little losing streak here.
If Arizona wins both remaining games, then we can win tomorrow and still pick #12. But that doesn't look ultra promising at the moment.
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Post by sammo420 on Oct 3, 2015 22:09:26 GMT -5
Despite the title of this thread, I was never really concerned about the protected pick. It was always more about the best position possible for me and at least being a very high tier of prospects. For example, by the time the draft rolls around there could three that definitely separate themselves from the rest of the pack followed by another 6 or 7 that are all somewhat interchangeable. I knew the very top tier would be out of our reach, but I was hoping for the second one. I think we may have played our way into the third one, but it's too early to tell.
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Post by amfox1 on Oct 3, 2015 22:52:32 GMT -5
PHI has clinched the #1 pick in the 2016 draft. Congrats.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 4, 2015 7:24:51 GMT -5
PHI has clinched the #1 pick in the 2016 draft. Congrats. That was a spirited charge by Cincinnati, though. They gave it their all.
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Post by amfox1 on Oct 4, 2015 11:08:20 GMT -5
1st round draft standings (locked in, unless noted):
1. PHI 2. CIN
3/4 ATL/COL (ATL has #3, unless they sweep STL and COL loses)
5/6. OAK/MIL (tied, MIL has tiebreaker)
7. MIA
8/9. DET/SDO (DET has #8, unless it wins and SDO loses)
10/11. SEA/CWS (SEA has #10, unless it wins and CWS loses)
12/13. ARI/BOS (tied, ARI has tiebreaker)
14. TBR
15/16. BAL/CLE (BAL has #15, unless it wins and CLE loses)
17/18/19. MIN/WAS/SFO (If MIN loses, MIN has #17, if SFO wins, SFO has #19, if MIN wins and WAS loses, order is WAS/MIN/SFO, if WAS wins and SFO loses, order is MIN/SFO/WAS)
20/21. LAA/HOU (LAA has #20, unless it wins and HOU loses)
22/23. TEX/MFY (tied, TEX has tiebreaker)
24. NYM 25. LAD 26. TOR 27. KC 28. CHC 29. PIT 30. STL
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 4, 2015 14:30:21 GMT -5
I'll take it. There is no way DD will give this up. The FO has to think this is the last time we are picking this high so take advantage. That's what I would be thinking.
I wonder if Boldt will be available?
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Post by mjammz on Oct 4, 2015 17:31:01 GMT -5
Red Sox will pick 12th in the 2016 MLB Draft.
That is the best case scenario based on where we stood 4 days ago.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 4, 2015 17:37:07 GMT -5
If DD wants to sign a Zimmermann, for example, he'll have to pay a hefty price. No doubt he will receive a QO.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 4, 2015 18:28:04 GMT -5
If DD wants to sign a Zimmermann, for example, he'll have to pay a hefty price. No doubt he will receive a QO. Pay the price if necessary. We MUST pick up an ace like starter this off season to contend next year. If we have to lose our #1, so be it. We have a lot of talent already in the minors, it is time to get back into the playoffs.
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Post by amfox1 on Oct 4, 2015 19:36:22 GMT -5
Draft order, pending free agency:
1. PHI 2. CIN 3. ATL 4. COL 5. MIL 6. OAK 7. MIA 8. SDO 9. DET 10. CWS 11. SEA 12. BOS 13. ARI 14. TBR 15. BAL 16. CLE 17. MIN 18. WAS 19. SFO 20. LAA 21. HOU 22. MFY 23. TEX 24. NYM 25. LAD 26. TOR 27. KC 28. CHC 29. PIT 30. STL
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Post by alnipper on Oct 4, 2015 20:04:15 GMT -5
Hopefully we will find a quality player like Benintendi. I would heavily focus on Price.
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Post by arzjake on Oct 4, 2015 20:33:25 GMT -5
Ryan Boldt
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Post by wskeleton76 on Oct 4, 2015 20:35:30 GMT -5
I guess DD will pick a power arm in next year's draft.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 4, 2015 21:28:29 GMT -5
I guess DD will pick a power arm in next year's draft. That could be a plan. With the 12th pick the team can be a little flexible in its selection. It's not like, if it were picking near the end of the round, it would take the perennial "best player available". There should be a wide selection of top players available, to choose a power arm, or another position of need for depth.
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Post by artfuldodger on Oct 4, 2015 21:44:37 GMT -5
At 12, I could see the Red Sox drafting a power arm if the power arm is on the same level as other players but I do not believe the Red Sox will reach for a power arm
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Post by jimoh on Oct 4, 2015 21:46:49 GMT -5
I guess DD will pick a power arm in next year's draft. That could be a plan. With the 12th pick the team can be a little flexible in its selection. It's not like, if it were picking near the end of the round, it would take the perennial "best player available". There should be a wide selection of top players available, to choose a power arm, or another position of need for depth. No, at 7th or 12th or 27th or 38th, you take the best, most potentiall valuable player available. You can change your opinion of who is most valuable based on changes in the industry, but you don't draft based on your team's supposed need--and especially not for a a "position of need".
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Post by wskeleton76 on Oct 4, 2015 22:28:15 GMT -5
Power arm is not just team's need or DD's favorite but also the strength of the draft. You can't find many top bat next year but there will be plenty of big, power arms.
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Post by kman22 on Oct 4, 2015 22:51:26 GMT -5
I like #12. It's still a high pick, but that's also the range where it typically becomes reasonable to consider taking a player that slid.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 4, 2015 22:53:06 GMT -5
If DD wants to sign a Zimmermann, for example, he'll have to pay a hefty price. No doubt he will receive a QO. Pay the price if necessary. We MUST pick up an ace like starter this off season to contend next year. If we have to lose our #1, so be it. We have a lot of talent already in the minors, it is time to get back into the playoffs. Zimmerman isn't an ace. It's debatable if he's really a legitimate #1. I doubt they go after him with Cueto and Price being options. At least, I really hope not. Losing the 12th pick for the "prize" of dropping 22-25M a year/5-6 years of a likely-to-decline-soon #1a/#2 starter seems like a worst-case scenario.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 5, 2015 8:47:41 GMT -5
With the talent on this team, and its performance post ASB, it's reasonable to conclude that it may not have another chance in a long time to draft at #12. I'd prefer it fills its pitching needs either through trade or signing non- qualified offer free agents.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 5, 2015 11:46:51 GMT -5
Pay the price if necessary. We MUST pick up an ace like starter this off season to contend next year. If we have to lose our #1, so be it. We have a lot of talent already in the minors, it is time to get back into the playoffs. Zimmerman isn't an ace. It's debatable if he's really a legitimate #1. I doubt they go after him with Cueto and Price being options. At least, I really hope not. Losing the 12th pick for the "prize" of dropping 22-25M a year/5-6 years of a likely-to-decline-soon #1a/#2 starter seems like a worst-case scenario. Yeah I agree here. 1. For me the doomsday scenario has us trading 3 or more top prospects (to me those are Margot, Devers, Moncada, Espinoza, Beintendi) for a guy who has a shorter term contract now but for whom we might later have to fight for to re-up with bigger bucks and longer term. If we can't keep him then where are we? I don't like that option. Eggs in one damn basket hoping they don't spoil. 2. I also don't like the option of losing the 12th pick by paying out $25-30m/per for 6-8 years...pretty risky long term. Our last draft so far looks like it has one legitimate, potentially impactful prospect in Beintendi. I don't want to lose a chance for another. We will again be hamstrung internationally next year. So, for me, keep fertilizing the farm. 3. I would take the third option, if any, for a Price (get ready to battle the financial giants in LA & NY) or a Cueto (looks a little iffy on late performance but shows how fragile taking the pig in the poke can be) or lesser light and build the BP. Those that want to trade Castillo will need to find his replacement and, as good as Bradley can be, if he fails, there is another hole. Papi will be gone someday and we will need a better 3B. But, if we don't ravage the farm, in two years we could have Devers and Margot with perhaps Moncada knocking. We saw what our prized young guys transported us to this year. Keep it going....save some powder. I am always for patience...if I live long enough.
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Post by marrcus on Oct 5, 2015 13:41:51 GMT -5
The wins in the Bronx were --very--nice. Everything else should have been tanked (like the Reds did to get #2) the record doesn't matter.
I wanted protected pick. Was that to much to ask for in such a lousy year? Dombrowski should have had all assets available this off season.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 5, 2015 15:14:37 GMT -5
In a draft that looks to have some big power arms, both HS and collegiate, the 12th pick is nothing to sneeze at. The Sox have a ton of *very* high-upside minor league talent reasonably 2-3 years away (Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Espinoza, Guerra, Kopech) and two quality players in Margot and Travis who could be ready by the end of 2016. They also have a bunch of early-mid-20s pitching that's a fair bet to produce at least a couple of mid-rotation arms, and maybe a 1a/2. It's a good point that they have no IFA>300k signings again this year, so losing the 12th pick creates a talent hole. I'd prefer to see them take a shot in FA and save all of their talent until at least the '16-'17 offseason (at least, the elite talent), when some of the current questions have shaken out. I could see moving Margot and some lesser prospects if the returning player has 3-4 years of control, but even that is risky given questions about JBJ and Castillo. They were a around a .600 team after August 1st...I think a #1 from FA and a high-leverage reliever makes this team a strong contender, especially as Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, Rodriguez, Owens, and JBJ continue to develop and Vazquez returns. Losing the 12th pick for marginal gain doesn't make sense to me.
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