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Battle for top 10 (protected) draft picks in 2016 draft
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2015 14:11:43 GMT -5
The battle for Jason Groome. Am I the only one who loves seeing where names that get thrown out this early end up? By the time the draft rolls around we could be mad if he get's picked. 9 of the top 10 will have TJS before the draft.
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Post by arzjake on Jul 29, 2015 15:09:03 GMT -5
If the season ended right now, BOS would have the 3rd pick in the 2016 MLB draft: 1. PHI ---- (5-game winning streak) 2. MIA -4.5 3. BOS -6.04. MIL -6.0 5. COL -6.5 6. OAK -7.0 (only team in top 13 with +run diff.) 7. CIN -7.5 8. CLE -8.0 (6-game losing streak) 9. SEA -8.0 10. ATL -8.5 11. SDO -9.5 12. TEX -10.0 13. DET -10.5 (tiebreaker order of the above teams is COL, TEX, BOS, PHI, CIN, MIA, SDO, ATL, MIL, CLE, SEA, OAK, DET)2.5 games separate #3 from #10. Tank for Boldt!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 29, 2015 16:52:25 GMT -5
If the season ended right now, BOS would have the 3rd pick in the 2016 MLB draft: 1. PHI ---- (5-game winning streak) 2. MIA -4.5 3. BOS -6.04. MIL -6.0 5. COL -6.5 6. OAK -7.0 (only team in top 13 with +run diff.) 7. CIN -7.5 8. CLE -8.0 (6-game losing streak) 9. SEA -8.0 10. ATL -8.5 11. SDO -9.5 12. TEX -10.0 13. DET -10.5 (tiebreaker order of the above teams is COL, TEX, BOS, PHI, CIN, MIA, SDO, ATL, MIL, CLE, SEA, OAK, DET)2.5 games separate #3 from #10. Tank for Boldt! FWIW, Boldt is not seen as the top guy in the coming draft. He was 10th in McDaniel's "ridiculously early" rankings. (FWIW, Groome was 9th) www.fangraphs.com/blogs/20162017-mlb-draft-rankings-ridiculously-early-edition/Of course, the showcases, tournaments, Team USA games, summer leagues, etc. are where a lot of the scouting for the following year happens, so these mean quite little at this stage.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 29, 2015 17:18:53 GMT -5
Is it possible that this has been the plan all along? they aren't allowed to go over 300,00this year for International free agents so to tank this year will give them a protected pick this year in MLB draft. seems far fetched but who knows what runs in the minds of the upper echelon.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 29, 2015 17:31:44 GMT -5
It's pretty clear that this was not planned. The plan was to contend, however ridiculous that seems now.
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Post by azblue on Jul 29, 2015 17:36:35 GMT -5
Is it possible that this has been the plan all along? they aren't allowed to go over 300,00this year for International free agents so to tank this year will give them a protected pick this year in MLB draft. seems far fetched but who knows what runs in the minds of the upper echelon. Suggestion--watch less political commentary on cable channels--it can short-circuit your brain synapses.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 29, 2015 19:30:37 GMT -5
Please don't make any trades or buy anyone....to eke out a few more wins. Let nature take its course. Take us off life-support and let the patient die peacefully..... From the ashes draft well for a few years....I'll but a ticket in 2019.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 29, 2015 19:39:01 GMT -5
Think of all the international money the FA will not use next year. It is looking good for us in the draft next year.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 29, 2015 20:54:44 GMT -5
The battle for Jason Groome. Am I the only one who loves seeing where names that get thrown out this early end up? By the time the draft rolls around we could be mad if he get's picked. Nah, Groome will be number 1.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 29, 2015 22:14:07 GMT -5
Half game out of the #2 spot.
At this point we can't fire Farrell til after the season. Don't want to risk improvement.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 29, 2015 22:16:19 GMT -5
Half game out of the #2 spot. At this point we can't fire Farrell til after the season. Don't want to risk improvement. Do you have a good "go out there and lose one for the Gipper" speech?
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 29, 2015 22:18:04 GMT -5
Half game out of the #2 spot. At this point we can't fire Farrell til after the season. Don't want to risk improvement. Do you have a good "go out there and lose one for the Gipper" speech? Not sure we need one of those. Farrell has seemingly got that one figured out all by himself. I mean with the way this team plays in the first 3 innings...
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2015 22:27:45 GMT -5
Half game out of the #2 spot. No, 1.5 games out of the #2 spot. Top five teams all lost tonight. Status quo, with 60 games to go.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 29, 2015 22:30:41 GMT -5
Half game out of the #2 spot. No, 1.5 games out of the #2 spot. Top five teams all lost tonight. Status quo, with 60 games to go. I could have sworn I saw Miami won. Shows how much the Red Sox are making me pay attention.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 29, 2015 22:40:28 GMT -5
If Farrell remains the manager we have a good shot at a top ten every year from here on.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 29, 2015 22:44:14 GMT -5
Is it possible that this has been the plan all along? they aren't allowed to go over 300,00this year for International free agents so to tank this year will give them a protected pick this year in MLB draft. seems far fetched but who knows what runs in the minds of the upper echelon. Suggestion--watch less political commentary on cable channels--it can short-circuit your brain synapses. that is why I don't waste my time watching that baloney. I want to save my sanity. watch nothing but sports.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 30, 2015 8:45:35 GMT -5
If Farrell remains the manager we have a good shot at a top ten every year from here on. That's a ridiculous comment. This mess is on Ben Cherington..............Period
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 30, 2015 8:54:48 GMT -5
If Farrell remains the manager we have a good shot at a top ten every year from here on. That's a ridiculous comment. This mess is on Ben Cherington..............Period Really? Cause that seems like an even more ridiculous comment. With the exception of 2013, Farrell has failed to get anything close to the expected production out of the talent on this team, and Cherington, even if you hated every move he's made from the get go (which I doubt, cause if you did, you'd probably be working in an MLB front office somewhere and not posting here) you have to admit that he's gotten us a stacked farm system which is starting to pay some serious dividends.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 30, 2015 9:12:35 GMT -5
That's a ridiculous comment. This mess is on Ben Cherington..............Period Really? Cause that seems like an even more ridiculous comment. With the exception of 2013, Farrell has failed to get anything close to the expected production out of the talent on this team, and Cherington, even if you hated every move he's made from the get go (which I doubt, cause if you did, you'd probably be working in an MLB front office somewhere and not posting here) you have to admit that he's gotten us a stacked farm system which is starting to pay some serious dividends. Managers make little to no difference in MLB. Players have to play. Who acquired these bums? I'll stand by by statement. Your statement is ridiculous. Dusty Baker won a lot of games. Ron Washington won a lot of games. What genius moves did Francona like to make? Oh, give the ball to Pedro or Schilling or Beckett or Lester. Hell, we were over .500 with Bobby V for a good part of the season before we dumped everyone.
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Post by arzjake on Jul 30, 2015 9:42:05 GMT -5
Really? Cause that seems like an even more ridiculous comment. With the exception of 2013, Farrell has failed to get anything close to the expected production out of the talent on this team, and Cherington, even if you hated every move he's made from the get go (which I doubt, cause if you did, you'd probably be working in an MLB front office somewhere and not posting here) you have to admit that he's gotten us a stacked farm system which is starting to pay some serious dividends. Managers make little to no difference in MLB. Players have to play. Who acquired these bums? I'll stand by by statement. Your statement is ridiculous. Dusty Baker won a lot of games. Ron Washington won a lot of games. What genius moves did Francona like to make? Oh, give the ball to Pedro or Schilling or Beckett or Lester. Hell, we were over .500 with Bobby V for a good part of the season before we dumped everyone. If you really think a Manager doesn't make difference then the Sox could hire you, correct? Madden all those years in Tampa and look what he has done in Chicago. Bochy, Matheny, Hurdle took Col to a series and now Pitt a playoff team.. Did you forget Cherington has been in player development with the Sox since 99, with 3 championships and numerous playoff appearances? Yes talent does help, no question. I think much has to do with this team not being mentally prepared to play given the circus of events we have seen play out on the field. All the talk about strike zone and such is an excuse. Hasn't affected Trout or Cabrera. And that my friend is on the Manager.
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Post by thegoo13 on Jul 30, 2015 10:08:42 GMT -5
Really? Cause that seems like an even more ridiculous comment. With the exception of 2013, Farrell has failed to get anything close to the expected production out of the talent on this team, and Cherington, even if you hated every move he's made from the get go (which I doubt, cause if you did, you'd probably be working in an MLB front office somewhere and not posting here) you have to admit that he's gotten us a stacked farm system which is starting to pay some serious dividends. Managers make little to no difference in MLB. Players have to play. Who acquired these bums? I'll stand by by statement. Your statement is ridiculous. Dusty Baker won a lot of games. Ron Washington won a lot of games. What genius moves did Francona like to make? Oh, give the ball to Pedro or Schilling or Beckett or Lester. Hell, we were over .500 with Bobby V for a good part of the season before we dumped everyone. This makes no sense. If you think the leader makes no difference in a team setting then you either never played anything or had really bad leaders on your team. John Farrell has ONE .500 season under his belt and 2013. Other than that every season is a losing one for him. His career record is a losing one. His Red Sox record is a losing one. John Gibbons has a better record in Toronto than Farrell did. The guy is just not a winner.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2015 10:15:48 GMT -5
Folks, it's not a zero-sum game. Maybe BOTH Cherington and Farrell are bad at their jobs.
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 30, 2015 10:46:08 GMT -5
Folks, it's not a zero-sum game. Maybe BOTH Cherington and Farrell are bad at their jobs. Yes but it's not all on Cherington...period as was asserted, and I'd say there's more evidence that Farrell is bad at his. It's just harder to evaluate a GM in a relatively short period of time
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Post by azblue on Jul 30, 2015 11:18:32 GMT -5
This is a far out idea, but (don't laugh)...maybe this is mostly about the players. You need to look at the personnel decisions at the time of the acquisitions. Injuries, Pablo Sandoval gaining a great deal of weight (when he was already out of shape), pitchers failing to produce at former levels during prime years, injuries...GM's are not all knowing regarding the future.
I did not like the Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval signings. The length of Sandoval's contract concerned me greatly. However, if 90% of the other players on the roster had performed at their career averages, this disaster would not be happening.
I question why the Sox did not sit Sandoval down in spring training and tell him that he was going to have a shadow from the club, night and day, until he lost at least 25 pounds. When he began looking like a hot air balloon, I would have put him on the DL and had a fitness trainer work the fat off of him while games were being played. Wire his jaw shut (well, that is probably extreme). Have a nutritionist explain that he can eat all he wants of the right foods, but that eating a whole pig in one sitting is a little overboard.
David Ortiz was supposed to be Hanley's second father and straighten him out. That has worked out well...or not.
The best way to project a player is to look at past performance. That did not bode well when Sandoval was signed. However, almost all of the other signings and trades that did not work out surprised most of us. Hindsight is easy. Foresight is extraordinarily difficult.
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Post by gerry on Jul 30, 2015 13:00:20 GMT -5
Cherington and his crew reasonably projected that a healtby Hanley (healthy as in pllaying LF is Fenway's least stressful job) will be an offensive force. Panda will hit better than WMB and be a post season force. Nap will be an above averagr power bat with high OBP while wearing down pitchers. Papi will continue above average for another year. Pedey will return to pre-injury self. Shanf and the kids like Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley, Brockstar, Castllo would contribute to this solid offnse and defense.
Strong defense and strong defensive catchers named Hanigan and Vasquez wiere to help a rrotation of previously successful GB pitchers (Porcello, Miley, Buch, Masterson) to at least match their good years; at least a few of them. Ogando and Ross were seen as good gets. He extended Koji and kept Taz. These were widely seen as good moves with some risk. All moves have risk.
Midstream he released Mujica and picked up de Aza. Both were good moves at the time. We all expected somethimg more from Aro, Barnes, Hinojosa, Kelly, N. Ramirrez, as well as Johnson, Wright.
Ben did not sit JBJ or Nava, wear out Koji and Juni in blowouts, prevent those blowouts from happening with judicious use of RP's, bring in Breslow with runners on base early in tie games, and all the other in game complaints. Farrell did that. He also, for whatever reason, was unable to lead these players. My fear is that as the Sox bring up the kids they will be leaderless except for Pedey, Brockholt, Betts and Bogey. Is it Tek's turn at the helm?
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