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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 1, 2015 10:49:07 GMT -5
Is it too early for Ben to explore trade scenarios for Mike Napoli? He may be gone anyway at the end of the season because of the contract he will require and the fact that other options exist.
Among this options should be moving Hanley to 1B. It's painfully obvious that he does not have the ability to play in the outfield. While he has only two errors, there are too many misjudged fly balls, wrong routes taken and inaccurate throws for him to continue in Left Field. He's been an infielder, albeit not a golden glover, his whole career until this year. First is where teams stash defensive liabilities. But Hanley, at least from my view, could be successful there. Why wait until 2016 to move him there?
Peguero should be given a shot in left. He strikes out a lot but hits for power when he makes contact. And he's not a circus in the outfield. A platoon perhaps, with Craig who has been hitting well at AAA. I'd wait on promoting Craig, though, to see if he sustains his success in Pawtucket.
And there's always the hope that Jackie, who's having a great season thus far, can finally put it all together at the ML level.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 1, 2015 11:43:11 GMT -5
Is it too early for Ben to explore trade scenarios for Mike Napoli? He may be gone anyway at the end of the season because of the contract he will require and the fact that other options exist. Yes, definitely too early. The Red Sox are only 4 games back and probably still have the highest true talent level in the division. If they are in contention this year then Napoli will be a significant part of that. 1 or 2 weeks before the trade deadline is the time to think about trading Napoli. It's also just too early to say whether Napoli will be worth a QO after the season, making a hasty early trade of him especially undesirable.
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Post by youngbillrussell on Jun 1, 2015 12:15:14 GMT -5
They'll hold onto him until July 31st but if things stay the same I hope he's traded. I also like Hanley to first and a LF platoon of Craig and Peguero.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 1, 2015 12:17:05 GMT -5
They'll hold onto him until July 31st but if things stay the same I hope he's traded. I also like Hanley to first and a LF platoon of Craig and Peguero. I hope he's the World Series MVP, for the Red Sox. Peguero is nothing and Craig is terrible.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 2, 2015 8:53:49 GMT -5
I can't believe after three not-terrible weeks at Triple-A that people are wanting to go back to Allen Craig.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 2, 2015 9:16:21 GMT -5
I can't believe after three not-terrible weeks at Triple-A that people are wanting to go back to Allen Craig. .328 BA and .887 OPS in 17 games is just "non-terrible? Yea, Ok. Would that the parent club had such "non-terrible" stats.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 2, 2015 9:49:36 GMT -5
I am absolutely not getting excited about a 30-year old with a .127 Iso in 17 games at Triple A. Especially when it followed .130/.235/.192 in his 53 games with the Red Sox.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 2, 2015 10:53:10 GMT -5
I am absolutely not getting excited about a 30-year old with a .127 Iso in 17 games at Triple A. Especially when it followed .130/.235/.192 in his 53 games with the Red Sox. Well the, you can join the majority here who want to kick him to the curb. OTOH I believe in redemption and am willing to dismiss his poor performances last season and for the start of the 2015 year on the ML roster, if he can continue to be productive for the PawSox. I look at his numbers for the prior three seasons before he was acquired where he hit over .300 and was a feared hitter with RISP and hope he can revert to that level of consistency. As I mentioned above, he needs more time in RI to convince me that he's beginning to return to that level of play. And, are you implying that because he's 30 yrs old there's little chance he can improve?
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 2, 2015 10:58:22 GMT -5
was a feared hitter with RISP See, if the best argument you can bring up is "he flukily performed better in random splits" then that's just not very convincing.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 2, 2015 11:38:30 GMT -5
1) I like Napoli, and he's been good for the Sox for the most part, but it's definitely time to explore trade options. Big RH power is at a premium in the game, and he still has it. Plus, his expiring contract probably makes him even more attractive to a contender. He won't net an elite prospect but might bring a Peavy-like (Iglesias/Frank Montas) return.
2) Allen Craig isn't impressing me with his AAA stats either, and I too put little stock in his RISP numbers with St Loius. At the same time, hitting .320 is better than .220, so maybe he can be brought back up and play reasonably well. I don't think he's going to help the Sox directly now or in the future, but if he can come back up and have at least some modicum of success, he might actually have some trade value as well.
3) I doubt JBJ would be worse than what the Sox have out of RF so far. He continues to rip the ball in AAA, hitting nearly .350 with another HR last night. He deserves another chance at regular playing time.
Moving Napoli and possibly Craig, and releasing/trading/benching Victorino clears the way for some changes and hopefully a little more offensive, and defensive stability (though Nap's 1b defense is still pretty good).
While it is still early, the Sox's run differential does not in any way suggest a team likely to get better. They've been awful, look awful, and I'm starting to think probably actually *are* and will be awful barring some wholesale shaking up. They've had a lot of bad luck (ERA vs FIP, BA w RISP, key poor defensive plays), but it's also possible that that "luck" is reflective of some underlying intangibles that aren't readily quantifiable but are indicative of a culture of failure, lack of heart/desire, or just basic incompetence. I'm not going to jump on the anti-Farrell/Davis bandwagon yet, but this team is NOT well-managed or particularly well-coached right now.
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2015 11:50:54 GMT -5
I doubt JBJ would be worse than what the Sox have out of RF so far. This isn't the operative question. It's whether he will be better than their alternative options at RF (Victorino and Castillo) going forward. I'm still skeptical that he is.
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2015 11:58:31 GMT -5
I am absolutely not getting excited about a 30-year old with a .127 Iso in 17 games at Triple A. Especially when it followed .130/.235/.192 in his 53 games with the Red Sox. I'm not bumping anyone currently on the major-league roster for him, especially since his AAV doesn't count against the luxury tax limit so long as he's in the minors (which means they're likely to duck under the luxury tax threshold this year, though I haven't seen an exact calculation). But I will say that I'm more encouraged than not by his performance at AAA, and that so long as the 2015 team intends to try to win games, he's probably the guy who gets called up if Napoli goes on the DL. I'd also say that he's second-in-line for a callup (behind Bradley) if any of Hanley, Betts, Castillo, Victorino, Nava, and/or Ortiz hit the medium/long-term DL. If it wasn't for the luxury tax issue discussed above, his need to get ABs and get in rhythm, and the fact that Nava and Victorino are likely to be out close to the minimum 15 days, I'd give thought to having him up ahead of Peguero right now.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 2, 2015 12:07:32 GMT -5
I doubt JBJ would be worse than what the Sox have out of RF so far. This isn't the operative question. It's whether he will be better than their alternative options at RF (Victorino and Castillo) going forward. I'm still skeptical that he is. Castillo, possibly not. Victorino, I'm pretty certain. And while you're right on the surface, the reality is that there's a lot more at play than simple statistical performance. As a young player, his future value either to the team directly, or as a trade chip, is to some extent tied to his ML (and not AAA at this point) performance. He's earned a *real* shot to see if he can stick as a regular on a second go-around, unless his AAA revival has rebuilt his trade value (and I doubt it has). Of the three players you mention, Bradley has played the best this year offensively and, obviously, defensively. All things otherwise equal, properly assessing his worth to the team is the most pressing of the three (Victorino is gone and Castillo is locked up), since he is the one at a real crossroads, as well as being the one with the most potential future value.
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Post by nomar on Jun 2, 2015 12:14:09 GMT -5
Craig needs to pull the ball with authority. He still isn't. What he's doing in AAA will not translate to the majors.
JBJ is looking good but he's going to start getting pitched around and u want to see if he tightens up his approach and sticks to his strike zone without expanding it, leading to more walks as he waits for his pitch. Until he does that I wouldn't feel comfortable putting him in the lineup every night.
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2015 12:19:00 GMT -5
This isn't the operative question. It's whether he will be better than their alternative options at RF (Victorino and Castillo) going forward. I'm still skeptical that he is. Castillo, possibly not. Victorino, I'm pretty certain. And while you're right on the surface, the reality is that there's a lot more at play than simple statistical performance. As a young player, his future value either to the team directly, or as a trade chip, is to some extent tied to his ML (and not AAA at this point) performance. He's earned a *real* shot to see if he can stick as a regular on a second go-around, unless his AAA revival has rebuilt his trade value (and I doubt it has). Of the three players you mention, Bradley has played the best this year offensively and, obviously, defensively. All things otherwise equal, properly assessing his worth to the team is the most pressing of the three (Victorino is gone and Castillo is locked up), since he is the one at a real crossroads, as well as being the one with the most potential future value. I think you're dismissing Victorino too easily, as he's been pretty great this year both at the plate and in the field. All the underlying skills are still there-- his contact rate is still elite, he's swinging at a career-low number of pitches outside the zone, he had started driving the ball before this latest DL stint, and his defense is still pretty much as good as it gets in a corner outfield spot. I'm fine bringing Bradley up once the team has completely thrown in the towel for the reasons you discuss above. But so long as the team is trying to win games (which, considering the state of the division, should be at least until the trade deadline), I'm going with my best players, which means Bradley likely comes up only as an injury replacement.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2015 12:20:36 GMT -5
Victorino would probably be fine if he could stay healthy for more than 5 minutes. But that's the problem.
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2015 12:36:30 GMT -5
Victorino would probably be fine if he could stay healthy for more than 5 minutes. But that's the problem. Castillo makes a fine enough caddy. But unless you think Bradley is better than Castillo (which, to be fair, is a legitimate question), Bradley wouldn't get much playing time even with an injured Victorino.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 2, 2015 12:36:42 GMT -5
What would Napoli need to do to merit a QO? Because if he does recover and put up impressive numbers between now and season's end, the team runs the risk he would accept, thereby limiting its options.
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2015 12:39:36 GMT -5
What would Napoli need to do to merit a QO? Because if he does recover and put up impressive numbers between now and season's end, the team runs the risk he would accept, thereby limiting its options. If he plays well enough to deserve the QO, he's probably their best option at 1B next year.
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Post by nomar on Jun 2, 2015 12:56:03 GMT -5
A JBJ/Castillo platoon in RF could be interesting in due time (I'll maintain JBJ needs seasoning still in the short term).. I also would like to have JBJ up so there is always a plus defender available to replace Hanley late in games.
If JBJ is awful at the plate once he's called up, he can be sent back down. Hopefully one of him or Castillo break out (so to speak) though.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 2, 2015 14:40:49 GMT -5
Is it too early for Ben to explore trade scenarios for Mike Napoli? He may be gone anyway at the end of the season because of the contract he will require and the fact that other options exist. Among this options should be moving Hanley to 1B. ... Why wait until 2016 to move him there? Is it too early? No. Is it likely that a trade market will develop in early June for him? No. (STL excepted) There is no chance they'll move Hanley to 1B midseason unless Hanley initiates the discussion. He's never played on the right side of the infield. It's not going to take a weekend of early infield. It would take a full offseason and spring training just to see if it is workable. Who are candidates for Napoli? It would have to be a playoff-contending team with a hole at 1B or DH. Here's a few: MIN - Vargas (657 OPS) (DH) HOU - Carter (660 OPS) STL - lost Adams for year LAA - rotating DH WAS - Zimmerman (655 OPS) I don't think they'll trade Napoli and I do think they'll offer him a QO. Obviously, that could change if he plays poorly.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2015 14:46:32 GMT -5
There is no chance that the Red Sox are going to trade Napoli at this point of the season unless they can upgrade the current team by trading him when they're 4.5 games out of first.
Like it or not, their best and main chance to make the playoffs is for their current players to play the way they are capable of. A Napoli trade this year wouldn't come until the week before July 31st and only if they have slim to no chances of making the playoffs.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 2, 2015 17:47:48 GMT -5
FWIW on Allen Craig, while his line in Pawtucket has been very encouraging, he's still in SSS land a bit.
That said, it looks like he might be hitting the ball with more authority, as his LD% is up from 24% to 35%.
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 5, 2015 13:10:44 GMT -5
cant imagine anybody calling about trading for Napoli
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 5, 2015 14:50:58 GMT -5
cant imagine anybody calling about trading for Napoli Cards could use a 1B with Adams out a few months.
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