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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 30, 2015 10:08:16 GMT -5
Since Papi made his quota to earn him this extension, why not rest him more against the tough lefties & have Hanley DH those days....It seems as if Ortiz really dragged to the finish line this year...imagine if we made the postseason, he would have been out of gas. If we are striving for the playoffs next year (which I assume we are) Hanley would be more valuable to have him DH 50 or so games & play 1st along with Shaw. Give Travis the whole year in AAA. He comes up for good 2017, & move Hanley to DH then. I didn't think Papi dragged to the finish line. He was still raking. He just took more days off toward the end because he decided against sprinkling them in earlier when he was chasing his 500th home run. And if you DH Hanley for 50 games or so, that knocks Big Papi's playing time to about 2/3 of a season. Why would you do that to your best hitter? At this point Big Papi is still a better offensive option than Hanley. I can see giving Hanley 20 games of DHing unless Ortiz gets injured or returns to being a normal 40 year old man.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 30, 2015 12:41:12 GMT -5
Since Papi made his quota to earn him this extension, why not rest him more against the tough lefties & have Hanley DH those days....It seems as if Ortiz really dragged to the finish line this year...imagine if we made the postseason, he would have been out of gas. If we are striving for the playoffs next year (which I assume we are) Hanley would be more valuable to have him DH 50 or so games & play 1st along with Shaw. Give Travis the whole year in AAA. He comes up for good 2017, & move Hanley to DH then. I didn't think Papi dragged to the finish line. He was still raking. He just took more days off toward the end because he decided against sprinkling them in earlier when he was chasing his 500th home run. And if you DH Hanley for 50 games or so, that knocks Big Papi's playing time to about 2/3 of a season. Why would you do that to your best hitter? At this point Big Papi is still a better offensive option than Hanley. I can see giving Hanley 20 games of DHing unless Ortiz gets injured or returns to being a normal 40 year old man. OK, I was just thinking one game a series, which would be around 40, generally teams have one good lefty....also PH in the later innings when the really nasty loogy's or LH closer come in (Matusz, Miller, Britton, J Wilson, Cecil, ect)....I know Papi is VERY clutch in late inning situations, but there are a few lefties out there where he has terrible #'s against. Even if Hanley is on the bench in the late innings, to force opposing coaches to at least think about bringing in that LH reliever may be valuable.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 30, 2015 13:04:50 GMT -5
I didn't think Papi dragged to the finish line. He was still raking. He just took more days off toward the end because he decided against sprinkling them in earlier when he was chasing his 500th home run. And if you DH Hanley for 50 games or so, that knocks Big Papi's playing time to about 2/3 of a season. Why would you do that to your best hitter? At this point Big Papi is still a better offensive option than Hanley. I can see giving Hanley 20 games of DHing unless Ortiz gets injured or returns to being a normal 40 year old man. OK, I was just thinking one game a series, which would be around 40, generally teams have one good lefty....also PH in the later innings when the really nasty loogy's or LH closer come in (Matusz, Miller, Britton, J Wilson, Cecil, ect)....I know Papi is VERY clutch in late inning situations, but there are a few lefties out there where he has terrible #'s against. Even if Hanley is on the bench in the late innings, to force opposing coaches to at least think about bringing in that LH reliever may be valuable. You'd have one miserable Papi doing that, especially when he has done nothing to deserve to be benched. And nobody is going to PH for Papi, even with Matusz comes in to pitch against him. As long as Ortiz is the Big Papi we all know and love, he's not being benched or pinchhit for. If he's healthy, you'd expect him to play 140 games or so and get 600 PA.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 30, 2015 14:06:10 GMT -5
OK, I was just thinking one game a series, which would be around 40, generally teams have one good lefty....also PH in the later innings when the really nasty loogy's or LH closer come in (Matusz, Miller, Britton, J Wilson, Cecil, ect)....I know Papi is VERY clutch in late inning situations, but there are a few lefties out there where he has terrible #'s against. Even if Hanley is on the bench in the late innings, to force opposing coaches to at least think about bringing in that LH reliever may be valuable. You'd have one miserable Papi doing that, especially when he has done nothing to deserve to be benched. And nobody is going to PH for Papi, even with Matusz comes in to pitch against him. As long as Ortiz is the Big Papi we all know and love, he's not being benched or pinchhit for. If he's healthy, you'd expect him to play 140 games or so and get 600 PA. No one is saying he can't play 140/600 PA, But, if we go deep into the postseason that could turn into 160.. I just don't feel at age 40 he can give you HIS all in Oct when we'd really need him...He maybe ticked off here & there, but even he must know this may be better for the team. It will difficult to massage this to get value for Hanram & keep Ortiz happy.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 30, 2015 14:31:02 GMT -5
You were completely and utterly wrong about Papi dragging to the finish. If he's doing his usual Papi thing, there's no reason expect him to turn into a pumpkin from PA's 140 to 160.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 30, 2015 17:32:22 GMT -5
Papi by month since 2008:
Month BA OBP SA April .263 .347 .458 May .273 .359 .526 June .267 .376 .563 July .287 .381 .541 August .303 .400 .569 Sept/O .282 .373 .547 The time to platoon him a bit and reduce his wear and tear is in the first six weeks or so. I'd love to see splits by game-time temperature. I don't think sitting versus tough LHP on cold April and early May nights is going to sit all that poorly with him.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 30, 2015 18:08:23 GMT -5
Revealing. Those old(er) bones do look as if they take a few weeks to loosen up. June through August, the hotter months, seem to suit him just fine. Of course he's never had a problem mashing his way through the playoffs in October, cold or no cold.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Oct 31, 2015 6:30:55 GMT -5
Zack Greinke would fit the bill for the Red Sox this winter, but Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald wonders if Boston would be the best place for him. One source close to the pitcher speculated that Greinke “definitely wouldn’t want any more stress or additional media attention,” though that was only his assumption and not something he heard directly from the former Cy Young Award winner. One can’t help but speculate if Greinke, who has been diagnosed with social anxiety disorder and clinical depression, may prefer to pitch in a market with less pressure than Boston. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/zack-greinke-red-sox.htmlBefore he went to LA the mediots speculated the same thing and how did that work out? EDIT: That is not directed at you Grandsalami, just the whole quote is the exact same crap the media spouted before and its pure BS speculation with nothing behind it.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 31, 2015 8:41:34 GMT -5
Zack Greinke would fit the bill for the Red Sox this winter, but Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald wonders if Boston would be the best place for him. One source close to the pitcher speculated that Greinke “definitely wouldn’t want any more stress or additional media attention,” though that was only his assumption and not something he heard directly from the former Cy Young Award winner. One can’t help but speculate if Greinke, who has been diagnosed with social anxiety disorder and clinical depression, may prefer to pitch in a market with less pressure than Boston. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/zack-greinke-red-sox.htmlBefore he went to LA the mediots speculated the same thing and how did that work out? Remember the year that Josh Hamilton and Greinke were the best free agents on the market, and all the talk was about Greinke's mental health issues? Probably half the dudes who play baseball are diagnosable on some level. Let's be honest, the real issue people have with Greinke is that he's not a dumb jock and that's about the extent of it.
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Post by artfuldodger on Oct 31, 2015 8:42:59 GMT -5
Do you expect the Red Sox to move quickly in free agency/trades or do you believe DD will wait to see how the market develops?
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Post by carmenfanzone on Oct 31, 2015 9:22:42 GMT -5
DD's history with the Tigers is to move quickly. My guess would be that he would do the same with the Red Sox.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 31, 2015 10:24:19 GMT -5
DD's history with the Tigers is to move quickly. My guess would be that he would do the same with the Red Sox. IMO he will make a competitive offer to David Price and see what they come back with. If he believes he has little chance with Price, he does a full court press on Johnnie Cueto. If this is looking like something he is not comfortable with, he keeps moving on. Hopefully he is also ready to make offers to several relievers also at the same time. I'm sure he has already been talking with GM's around MLB and has some idea of who and what is possible. It could be very hectic quickly and definitely exciting.
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Post by gerry on Oct 31, 2015 10:47:40 GMT -5
DD's history with the Tigers is to move quickly. My guess would be that he would do the same with the Red Sox. IMO he will make a competitive offer to David Price and see what they come back with. If he believes he has little chance with Price, he does a full court press on Johnnie Cueto. If this is looking like something he is not comfortable with, he keeps moving on. Hopefully he is also ready to make offers to several relievers also at the same time. I'm sure he has already been talking with GM's around MLB and has some idea of who and what is possible. It could be very hectic quickly and definitely exciting. I suspect the connections with other GM's, players and their agents are enhanced with the combined preaence of DD, Hazen, Wren, Amaro, (Dipoto). FO's are somewhat of an Old Boy network, complete with the factions, alliances and friendships of any business or organization; and the Sox expanded FO likely has broader and deeper connectivity than ever before. Just in time for trading season. If DD's goal is to improve the Sox in several areas without gutting the Farm, he has the team in place to do so. I am impressed
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 31, 2015 11:04:37 GMT -5
...as long as he doesn't let some of these jokers have the final say. There will be guys with memories of trade misfires sitting in on those discussions.
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Post by jclmontana on Oct 31, 2015 12:08:15 GMT -5
Before he went to LA the mediots speculated the same thing and how did that work out? Remember the year that Josh Hamilton and Greinke were the best free agents on the market, and all the talk was about Greinke's mental health issues? Probably half the dudes who play baseball are diagnosable on some level. Let's be honest, the real issue people have with Greinke is that he's not a dumb jock and that's about the extent of it.As a definitive statement, that is unsupportable. How do you know this? As for his anxiety disorder, it is a thing, and it should be taken into account by any team looking to sign him. But I would agree that it should not be the most important or first point to consider. If you really want to be real, think about the high priced stars that have not been happy or ran afoul of the media buzzsaw in Boston. John Lackey and his bitterness towards the fanbase, Carl Crawford still complains about Boston, so does Cespedes, Josh Beckett and his super-surly attitude towards the press, Adrian Gonzalez and his God's will comments. Those guys had a hard time with Boston, and while I won't pretend I can quantify how their conflicts affected play on the field, both individually and as a team, it cannot be dismissed out of hand. Compatibility of a player with the Boston market is a real concern. Most people in society, much less baseball, could be diagnosed with something, but using that idea to discount all formal mental health diagnoses is a basic logical fallacy. Especially when the diagnosis is associated with real difficulties in functioning, like Social Anxiety Disorder. So, yeah, Greinke's anxiety disorder is fair game to consider, but only as part of a holistic analysis of his ability to thrive and contribute to a successful team.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 31, 2015 16:48:15 GMT -5
Remember the year that Josh Hamilton and Greinke were the best free agents on the market, and all the talk was about Greinke's mental health issues? Probably half the dudes who play baseball are diagnosable on some level. Let's be honest, the real issue people have with Greinke is that he's not a dumb jock and that's about the extent of it.As a definitive statement, that is unsupportable. How do you know this? As for his anxiety disorder, it is a thing, and it should be taken into account by any team looking to sign him. But I would agree that it should not be the most important or first point to consider. If you really want to be real, think about the high priced stars that have not been happy or ran afoul of the media buzzsaw in Boston. John Lackey and his bitterness towards the fanbase, Carl Crawford still complains about Boston, so does Cespedes, Josh Beckett and his super-surly attitude towards the press, Adrian Gonzalez and his God's will comments. Those guys had a hard time with Boston, and while I won't pretend I can quantify how their conflicts affected play on the field, both individually and as a team, it cannot be dismissed out of hand. Compatibility of a player with the Boston market is a real concern. Most people in society, much less baseball, could be diagnosed with something, but using that idea to discount all formal mental health diagnoses is a basic logical fallacy. Especially when the diagnosis is associated with real difficulties in functioning, like Social Anxiety Disorder. So, yeah, Greinke's anxiety disorder is fair game to consider, but only as part of a holistic analysis of his ability to thrive and contribute to a successful team. All guys with social anxiety disorder I guess. Seriously, thank you for proving my point. There's tons of dudes in baseball who on one level or another aren't easy to deal with and don't cope with their environment well. You want to talk about unsupportable statements? Let's start with the idea that people with anxiety or depression at any point in their career are particularly unsuited to playing in Boston.
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Post by jclmontana on Oct 31, 2015 17:45:38 GMT -5
All guys with social anxiety disorder I guess. Seriously, thank you for proving my point. There's tons of dudes in baseball who on one level or another aren't easy to deal with and don't cope with their environment well. You want to talk about unsupportable statements? Let's start with the idea that people with anxiety or depression at any point in their career are particularly unsuited to playing in Boston. Actually, we do have a lot of agreement. I am not sure that the bolded above was aimed at me, but I certainly never said nor implied anything of the sort. Really, the point of disagreement is that you want his anxiety disorder to be off the table as a reasonable discussion point, and I think it should be in play.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 31, 2015 18:24:19 GMT -5
Papi by month since 2008: Month BA OBP SA April .263 .347 .458 May .273 .359 .526 June .267 .376 .563 July .287 .381 .541 August .303 .400 .569 Sept/O .282 .373 .547 The time to platoon him a bit and reduce his wear and tear is in the first six weeks or so. I'd love to see splits by game-time temperature. I don't think sitting versus tough LHP on cold April and early May nights is going to sit all that poorly with him. I think we're making way too much of this here. Most of his mediocre April numbers are tied up in the early part of the 2008-2015 period. He had epic bad Aprils from 2008 to 2010: 2008 - .184/.294/.350.644 2009 - .230/.290/.333/.623 2010 - .143/.278/.286/.524 In the last four Aprils, he's posted OPS-plus figures of 228 in 2011 (aided by a .418 BABIP), 290 in 2013 (in only 39 PAs), 126 in 2014 (despite a BABIP of .257), and 121 in 2015 (despite a BABIP of .245.) Nothing indicates that Papi has had big early-season struggles during the ol' geezer stage of his career. His OPS-plus in each of the last two seasons has lagged behind his full-season number. But it's still been good despite being dragged down by bad BABIP luck. That said, I wouldn't mind a night off for him here or there in April or early May. But the idea would be to try and keep him strong in the last couple of months, not to avoid bad early-season performance. I also think it would be beneficial for Pedroia to have one less night a week diving around at 2B and swinging a big stick with a small body. I'd like to see them plan on him playing about 135-140 games next year.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 1, 2015 3:08:36 GMT -5
Papi by month since 2008: Month BA OBP SA April .263 .347 .458 May .273 .359 .526 June .267 .376 .563 July .287 .381 .541 August .303 .400 .569 Sept/O .282 .373 .547 The time to platoon him a bit and reduce his wear and tear is in the first six weeks or so. I'd love to see splits by game-time temperature. I don't think sitting versus tough LHP on cold April and early May nights is going to sit all that poorly with him. I think we're making way too much of this here. Most of his mediocre April numbers are tied up in the early part of the 2008-2015 period. He had epic bad Aprils from 2008 to 2010: 2008 - .184/.294/.350.644 2009 - .230/.290/.333/.623 2010 - .143/.278/.286/.524 In the last four Aprils, he's posted OPS-plus figures of 228 in 2011 (aided by a .418 BABIP), 290 in 2013 (in only 39 PAs), 126 in 2014 (despite a BABIP of .257), and 121 in 2015 (despite a BABIP of .245.) Nothing indicates that Papi has had big early-season struggles during the ol' geezer stage of his career. His OPS-plus in each of the last two seasons has lagged behind his full-season number. But it's still been good despite being dragged down by bad BABIP luck. That said, I wouldn't mind a night off for him here or there in April or early May. But the idea would be to try and keep him strong in the last couple of months, not to avoid bad early-season performance. I also think it would be beneficial for Pedroia to have one less night a week diving around at 2B and swinging a big stick with a small body. I'd like to see them plan on him playing about 135-140 games next year. If you exclude 2008-2010, there is essentially no relative change in his numbers in July through October, versus April and May. Instead of being .021 / .031 / .057 better in the last three months, he's .018 / .031 / .052 better. 2008-15 BA OBP SA April/May .269 .354 .496 July-Sept .290 .385 .553
2011-15 April/May .289 .369 .528 July-Sept .307 .400 .580 He's been a slow starter for a while now. Slow only crossed the line to struggling when his whole game was fading, before his career second wind.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Nov 1, 2015 10:31:45 GMT -5
I think we're making way too much of this here. Most of his mediocre April numbers are tied up in the early part of the 2008-2015 period. He had epic bad Aprils from 2008 to 2010: 2008 - .184/.294/.350.644 2009 - .230/.290/.333/.623 2010 - .143/.278/.286/.524 In the last four Aprils, he's posted OPS-plus figures of 228 in 2011 (aided by a .418 BABIP), 290 in 2013 (in only 39 PAs), 126 in 2014 (despite a BABIP of .257), and 121 in 2015 (despite a BABIP of .245.) Nothing indicates that Papi has had big early-season struggles during the ol' geezer stage of his career. His OPS-plus in each of the last two seasons has lagged behind his full-season number. But it's still been good despite being dragged down by bad BABIP luck. That said, I wouldn't mind a night off for him here or there in April or early May. But the idea would be to try and keep him strong in the last couple of months, not to avoid bad early-season performance. I also think it would be beneficial for Pedroia to have one less night a week diving around at 2B and swinging a big stick with a small body. I'd like to see them plan on him playing about 135-140 games next year. If you exclude 2008-2010, there is essentially no relative change in his numbers in July through October, versus April and May. Instead of being .021 / .031 / .057 better in the last three months, he's .018 / .031 / .052 better. 2008-15 BA OBP SA April/May .269 .354 .496 July-Sept .290 .385 .553
2011-15 April/May .289 .369 .528 July-Sept .307 .400 .580 He's been a slow starter for a while now. Slow only crossed the line to struggling when his whole game was fading, before his career second wind. I don't totally understand what you're saying here. But a few points based on what I think you're trying to say: 1. You're lumping May in with April to show the "slow starter" trend. I don't consider May to be the "start" of the season. In 2015, he had 86 PAs by the time May started and 194 by the time it ended. May isn't the start of the season any more than August is the end. 2. I mentioned some of his low BABIP numbers for April. If you insist on including his May performance as the basis for sitting him in that month, I think it's reasonable to put the May 2011-2015 numbers in some BABIP context. May 2011 - .315 May 2012 - .239 May 2013 - .253 May 2014 - .276 May 2015 - .229 His career BABIP for all months is .299, so you can see he's way below that for May of 2011 to 2015. 3. Even if you want to include May - and again, that's not the "start" of the season - he put up an .897 OPS-plus in April and May from 2011 to 2015. That's a bit lower than the July-September numbers you listed, but it's still some serious raking. Put it all together and you have a guy who's had a massive (please God, HOF) career. 4. The schedule, not performance, dictates a lot of when Papi rests. He sits for a lot of games in NL parks, regardless of where those fall on the schedule. When he does start one of those games, he's often out of there a couple of innings early. I have no issue trying to sprinkle in off days for the Big Man here and there throughout the season. But you don't sit him in April and May because you think he's not productive in those months. Whoever you sub in for him is going to represent a pretty big downgrade from a guy who mashes in our beautiful New England springs.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Nov 1, 2015 20:36:55 GMT -5
Thought June 1 was a little early to start this thread since the Red Sox have a lot of young players and it seemed wise to use the second half of the season to find out as much as possible about what they can do before deciding on any major changes. But the 5th game of the World Series is tonight and once the Series is over things are going to be happening fairly quickly.
As most people do, I think the Red Sox should pick up Buchholtz option. I am not necessarily saying he should be on the team next year, but his option year contract amount seems fairly reasonable by today's standards and if the Sox find better starting pitching options elsewhere, they should be able to trade him for something else they may need.
The biggest problem concerning the position players is what to do about Ramirez and Sandoval. I just do not see the Red Sox being able to trade Ramirez without eating a major portion of his contract. Not only that, but if the Red Sox trade Ramirez and, God forbid, Ortiz gets hurt, you may find yourself having to trade for a DH while paying Ramirez to DH for someone else. On the other hand, I have zero confidence that Ramirez can play First. While Sandoval might be a little easier to trade, it probably won't be much easier. I think the Red Sox will have them both in Spring Training. I would switch Ramirez to Third, not First and tell the 2 of them that the guy who shows the most in Spring Training will start the year at 3rd, with the other on the bench. Ramirez played Short most of his career but has played some 3rd in the Majors. I am sure he will not be a good at third, but i he is at least more familiar with Third than Left or First. Moreover, he would be involved in far fewer plays at Third than he would be at First. I cringe at the thought of how many low throws he would miss.
I would start Vasquez at Pawtucket to see if his arm is OK. If it is, I would bring him up and trade Hanigan for a bullpen arm or prospect in June or July. It is also apparent that they need another outfielder. Even if you assume Bradley and Castillo are going to be good (not in anyway guaranteed) you still need a 4th outfielder. The question is do they go big or just get a reserve type guy. Given their pitching needs and the fact that if Bradley and Castillo are good or Margot or one of the other prospects comes on quickly, the additional outfielder may only need to be a part time player. Since my thinking is to start the year with Shaw at First, it would also be nice if the new outfielder could also play First in case Shaw bombs and Travis isn't ready. If Allen Craig hadn't become totally worthless, he would have been a good fit.
They do have to get at least 1 new starting pitcher. i am not sure it has to be a #1, but it has got to be someone who they are sure is better than what they have returning. Without getting at least 1 new starting pitcher, they would be starting with 4 of the 5 guys they start in the rotation last year and that didn't work out very well. I see no reason to think it would work out better this year. I really do not want to lose the first round draft pick so i would prefer the new starter is either Price or Cueto or someone they trade for. They also need 2 new relief pitchers. They might be able to get away with just 1 if they get 2 new starters and move Kelly to the pen. It would be nice if at least one the new relief pitchers throws hard.
If they have to trade for the starter I would be willing to trade Owens and one of Moncada, Devers, Margot, and Benitendi, plus another smaller piece or two (Marrero?). I know nobody on this board wants to trade one of those 4 but none of those 4 are not sure things, IMO. I do not think Moncada is a sure thing at Second, for example, and am not sure what his position is going to be. Plus, you are going to have to give something to get something.
Anyway, that is the way I would go. One thing I know for sure is that given DD's track record once the Series ends we are probably not going to have to wait too long to find out what his thoughts are and his thoughts are the ones that are going to matter.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 3, 2015 21:45:58 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 7m7 minutes ago Dombrowski on EEI: Not going to tip our hand but we want the top of the rotation guy. Open to sign someone, open to trade for one. Costly. Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 4m4 minutes ago Dombrowski on EEI: BBC outfield can be a very dynamic together, project them all to be offensive players. No question our starting group. Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 3m3 minutes ago Dombrowski on EEI: Leaning towards adding a RHH as 4th outfielder.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 3, 2015 21:46:09 GMT -5
Joon Lee @iamjoonlee 3m3 minutes ago Ithaca, NY Dombrowski on WEEI called Xander Bogaerts and Mookie Betts "backbones of the franchise" and said they would be in Boston for a long time.
Rob Bradford @bradfo 2m2 minutes ago Dombrowski says on Hot Stove Show that Matt Barnes will head into spring training as a reliever
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Post by xanderdu on Nov 4, 2015 0:03:16 GMT -5
DD.also stated no one was untouchable, because you never knew when someone would make an overwhelming offer.
The image I took from the Dd interview, and the Hot Stove show as a whole, was the young guys are those they wish to build around. I believe more than ever Hanley will be elsewhere (Cleveland, SD) before the season starts. I also believe the trade route is the way they will obtain their starter. DD mentioned they didn't want to show their hand on the question of signing a FA TOR starter, and his tone, combined with the financial realities and the overall roster depth, made me believe more in the trade approach.
I'm thinking he's shopping Miley, Kelly, Rutledge, Ramirez, possibly Sandoval and Buchholz, along with his long list of prospects. Before DD came on, the hosts were discussing a Buchholz, Bradley, Margot and Owens deal for Gray, and all saw that as possible. Based on DD comments made after that discussion; take Bradley out and add in another equal value piece, and the deal could happen.
Before DD came on, Bradford went on about Carrasco likely being a strong target, with Tomase concurring Ian Browne felt Price would be desired, but Zimmermann likely; neither Bradford, nor Tomase agreed with Browne. I agree with Bradford on Carrasco, and see Hanley + in Cleveland next year as the price
The news on Barnes was welcome. A 100% move to the pen will allow his best to come through more frequently. DD talked about using metrics and usage data to identify hidden gem bullpen guys.
DD spoke of looking more at the right side for a 4th OF; talked about having Holt, and Shaw as LH option in the OF. The mention of Shaw in this role indicates they see him as a Swiss Army Knife, ala Holt. If that is true, and he is indeed moving Hanley, who is he seeing at 1B? Sandoval perhaps, with Marrero taking over at 3B?
So, my early Hot Stove predictions are:
Hanley, and Kopech for Carrasco, with Hanley's cost evened to that of Carrasco over the first 3 years, and an agreed upon value for the 4th year.
Buchholz, Kelly, Margot and Owens for Gray
Miley for Chapman
Sign Rich Hill @ 2/18, with 3rd year option.
Gray, Carrasco, Porcello, Rodriguez, Hill, with Johnson and Wright in reserve and a need to nominate the 8th depth slot (Workman or Escobar?) Chapman, Uehara, Tazawa, Barnes, Ross, Layne, Wright BBC, in outfield Sandoval 1B, Pedroia, Bogaerts, Marrero 3B in IF Vazquez C Ortiz DH The bench would see the following guys in many roles Hanigan C Swihart C, 1B, LF, RF Shaw 1B, 3B, LF, RF Holt , all but C and P
In addition, they'd have Sandoval as 3B relief, and Marrero as SS relief. In other words, great depth across all positions, including 3 Catchers on the Boston roster. By position, and in order of depth:
Catcher 3 Vazquez, Hanigan, Swihart 1B 4 Sandoval, Shaw, Swihart, Holt 2B 3 Pedroia, Holt and Marrero SS 3 Bogaerts, Marrero and Holt 3B 4 Marrero, Sandoval, Holt, Shaw CF 4 Bradley, Betts, Castillo, Holt COF 6 the above plus Shaw and Swihart
Light on power, but they'd pressure opponents with their team speed, defense and roster depth. They would additionally be under the LT level and have room for midseason additions.
Perhaps they want Swihart catching full time at AAA finishing school. If so, there's payroll room to sign, or obtain, a RH 4th OFer. It's also highly likely Barnes is in AAA to start, and a late inning reliever is obtained. Again, there's financial room to make that deal.
Just one man's vision for a possible route to the 2016 roster, but there are many possibilities.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 4, 2015 0:11:40 GMT -5
DD.also stated no one was untouchable, because you never knew when someone would make an overwhelming offer. The image I took from the Dd interview, and the Hot Stove show as a whole, was the young guys are those they wish to build around. I believe more than ever Hanley will be elsewhere (Cleveland, SD) before the season starts. I also believe the trade route is the way they will obtain their starter. DD mentioned they didn't want to show their hand on the question of signing a FA TOR starter, and his tone, combined with the financial realities and the overall roster depth, made me believe more in the trade approach. I'm thinking he's shopping Miley, Kelly, Rutledge, Ramirez, possibly Sandoval and Buchholz, along with his long list of prospects. Before DD came on, the hosts were discussing a Buchholz, Bradley, Margot and Owens deal for Gray, and all saw that as possible. Based on DD comments made after that discussion; take Bradley out and add in another equal value piece, and the deal could happen. Before DD came on, Bradford went on about Carrasco likely being a strong target, with Tomase concurring Ian Browne felt Price would be desired, but Zimmermann likely; neither Bradford, nor Tomase agreed with Browne. I agree with Bradford on Carrasco, and see Hanley + in Cleveland next year as the price The news on Barnes was welcome. A 100% move to the pen will allow his best to come through more frequently. DD talked about using metrics and usage data to identify hidden gem bullpen guys. DD spoke of looking more at the right side for a 4th OF; talked about having Holt, and Shaw as LH option in the OF. The mention of Shaw in this role indicates they see him as a Swiss Army Knife, ala Holt. If that is true, and he is indeed moving Hanley, who is he seeing at 1B? Sandoval perhaps, with Marrero taking over at 3B? So, my early Hot Stove predictions are: Hanley, and Kopech for Carrasco, with Hanley's cost evened to that of Carrasco over the first 3 years, and an agreed upon value for the 4th year.
Buchholz, Kelly, Margot and Owens for Gray
Miley for Chapman
Sign Rich Hill @ 2/18, with 3rd year option.Gray, Carrasco, Porcello, Rodriguez, Hill, with Johnson and Wright in reserve and a need to nominate the 8th depth slot (Workman or Escobar?) Chapman, Uehara, Tazawa, Barnes, Ross, Layne, Wright BBC, in outfield Sandoval 1B, Pedroia, Bogaerts, Marrero 3B in IF Vazquez C Ortiz DH The bench would see the following guys in many roles Hanigan C Swihart C, 1B, LF, RF Shaw 1B, 3B, LF, RF Holt , all but C and P In addition, they'd have Sandoval as 3B relief, and Marrero as SS relief. In other words, great depth across all positions, including 3 Catchers on the Boston roster. By position, and in order of depth: Catcher 3 Vazquez, Hanigan, Swihart 1B 4 Sandoval, Shaw, Swihart, Holt 2B 3 Pedroia, Holt and Marrero SS 3 Bogaerts, Marrero and Holt 3B 4 Marrero, Sandoval, Holt, Shaw CF 4 Bradley, Betts, Castillo, Holt COF 6 the above plus Shaw and Swihart Light on power, but they'd pressure opponents with their team speed, defense and roster depth. They would additionally be under the LT level and have room for midseason additions. Perhaps they want Swihart catching full time at AAA finishing school. If so, there's payroll room to sign, or obtain, a RH 4th OFer. It's also highly likely Barnes is in AAA to start, and a late inning reliever is obtained. Again, there's financial room to make that deal. Just one man's vision for a possible route to the 2016 roster, but there are many possibilities. Welcome aboard. Can't see any of those deals you mentioned coming to fruition. There's no way Cleveland deals a valuable piece like Carrasco for an albatross contract in Hanley, even if Kopech is an attractive piece. Carrasco is definitely worth more than an albatross and the #7ish prospect on the Sox. There is no reason for Billy Beane to do that Gray deal you have on the table. He can get more out of Gray over the next few seasons than out of Buchholz over the next two. The rest of the package is decent, but I don't think it's enough for that deal to happen. There's no way the Reds deal a valuable closer in Chapman for a back end starter in Miley. The Sox got him for De La Rosa and Webster. If they dealt him away they wouldn't get much more than that in return. Chapman will go for some young studs and Miley isn't that guy. And the Sox would be nuts to commit 2 years $18 million on Rick Hill, let alone give him an option for the 3rd year. He'd be very fortunate to last 100 innings. As impressive as he was in 4 starts, the Sox shouldn't make that big a commitment to this often injured 35 year old starter. No team will give him that money or commitment. I can see him getting a 1 year $5 million deal with incentives based on IP. But that team won't be the Red Sox.
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