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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 4, 2015 23:54:49 GMT -5
My plan was to put Mookie at 3b. Some posters said he didn't have the arm. Yeah right. And, if Mookie flopped, just go with Holt. I did like the Hanley signing. I thought he'd try to play the field. I figured he'd end up at DH. Just not this soon.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 5, 2015 7:29:06 GMT -5
My plan was to put Mookie at 3b. Some posters said he didn't have the arm. Yeah right. And, if Mookie flopped, just go with Holt. I did like the Hanley signing. I thought he'd try to play the field. I figured he'd end up at DH. Just not this soon. He doesn't. The issue isn't strength, it's accuracy. It's why he was moved off shortstop in the first place.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 5, 2015 7:59:36 GMT -5
I'm wondering when we get our first story about team "chemistry." With a couple of head cases like Hanley and Pablo, the behind the scenes can't be a pretty picture. Sandoval is looking like a big time mistake. Outside of the D, average now .244 which is more of a concern.. Did Cherington give up on Middlebrooks to soon? Middlebrooks has a .271 OBP. No.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 5, 2015 8:39:23 GMT -5
Sandoval is looking like a big time mistake. Outside of the D, average now .244 which is more of a concern.. Did Cherington give up on Middlebrooks to soon? Middlebrooks has a .271 OBP. No. Better than Sandoval right now at a fraction of the cost. Could someone smarter than myself show what his numbers would have translated at Fenway?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 5, 2015 8:44:13 GMT -5
Middlebrooks has a .271 OBP. No. Better than Sandoval right now at a fraction of the cost. Could someone smarter than myself show what his numbers would have translated at Fenway? Sandoval's OBP is .306 this year and .344 for his career.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 5, 2015 9:11:04 GMT -5
Panda may wait until near the end of the season to hit. I do like his defense. It is to early to write Panda off, but it is hard not to.
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Post by jdb on Jun 5, 2015 9:20:44 GMT -5
My thing about Sandaval is I hoped his first few years would provide excess value to make the last few more tolerable when he loses a step and has to either play 1B or DH. His numbers had declined for a few years straight and the platoon splits are terrible. Still to early to judge but he has to start hitting.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 5, 2015 9:46:48 GMT -5
Middlebrooks has a .271 OBP. No. Better than Sandoval right now at a fraction of the cost. Could someone smarter than myself show what his numbers would have translated at Fenway? Wouldn't it be better, for comparison's sake, to look at whole season numbers for a couple of years rather than relying on this SSS? Ryan Hannigan was a good get. Too bad he got injured.
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Post by arzjake on Jun 5, 2015 10:28:25 GMT -5
Anyone forget Sam Travis in High A? Why would u deal a SP with ability for another "doesn't have a position" type prospect. We already have to many one dimensional players on the ML roster. Schwarber is another one.. Because Schwarber projects to have an outstanding bat. I agree to an extent, but Schwarber is *way* better a batting prospect than Travis. You don't want to end up with what you have now at 3B and LF by adding another player who might need seasoning. The way pitching has made a comeback in the Post steroid era, I believe you need a legit glove first at key positions.. I tell you guy's, if Im Cherington I would call the LA Dodgers this time about Sandoval. LA again with a crowded OF situation. AEtheir can play all 3 OF positions very well. Contracts are about the same in yearly money. I believe AEthier has 2 yrs less on a deal than Sandoval. LA playing a journeyman and an OF by trade at 3B.. Sandoval's postseason bat might tempt LA if the sox sweeten the deal with an A prospect which on paper they have a surplus of or another SP which at the moment Bucholz qualifies..
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 5, 2015 10:29:35 GMT -5
They are not trading Sandoval anytime soon and shouldn't.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 5, 2015 10:31:10 GMT -5
I curious worst case what does BC do if we're talking like it was last year. What does he sell off and keep. If Buch keeps doing this he could be very valuable. Who knows. It just makes the summer so much longer when this happens and I don't want to wait till next year.
I am so bummed out. That series killed the Sox. Best thing is they play friggin every day. I want to see Johnson up here.
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Post by danr on Jun 5, 2015 10:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 5, 2015 11:00:00 GMT -5
Ortiz needs to figure out what he is doing wrong against lefties. He's having a typical Ortiz year in the 2/3rds of his PA against righties, hitting 277/387/496 138 wRC+ 281 BABIP, but against lefties he's been so helpless that even 1/3rd of his PA drives him well below a league average hitter. It's pretty ugly, 119/118/164 -38 wRC+ 143 BABIP 0 BB and 0 HR.
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 5, 2015 13:04:13 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox should;
DFA; Napoli, Breslow, De Aza, Masterson, Nava & Victorino - If you can get anything for any of them great, if not, BYE BYE -
Move Hanley Ramirez to 1B
Move Wright & Kelly to the Bullpen
Bring up Brian Johnson to be the #5 starter
Play Holt everyday in Left Field
Call up Bryce Brentz to be the 4th Outfielder and Right handed hitter of the bench
Call up Pat Light and add him to the Bullpen
Batting Line up;
Pedroia Holt Ramirez Ortiz Bogaerts Sandoval Betts Castillo Swihart
Bench;
Leon Brentz Bianchi
Rotation;
Buchholz Porcello Miley Rodriguez Johnson
Bullpen;
Uehara Tazawa Ogando Barnes Layne Light Kelly Wright
An extra arm in the Bullpen (13) vs the Bench (12)
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 5, 2015 13:06:37 GMT -5
You lost me at DFA Napoli.
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 5, 2015 13:09:22 GMT -5
You lost me at DFA Napoli. Bum
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 5, 2015 13:20:23 GMT -5
You lost me at DFA Napoli. The other infielders would love throwing over to Hanley.
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Post by soxcentral on Jun 5, 2015 13:32:29 GMT -5
Posted this in the Gameday thread, but why not put Ortiz at 1B and DH Hanley? At least Ortiz has experience playing there and is/was adequate.
This involved trading Napoli and finding a RH bat to platoon with Ortiz preferably.
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Post by 07redsox on Jun 5, 2015 13:47:24 GMT -5
You lost me at DFA Napoli. Bum I have been coming to these forums for a while, but just never made an account. For some reason this of all things made me do it though. So you are telling me that the guy who had an OPS of .878 in May is a bum? Please tell me what else you think, considering (without looking it up) that most likely lead the team, or was at least near the top. The fact is Napoli turned a corner the past month and ended up reaching about his career numbers during May. He had a .242/.361/.516 line, which is very Napoli-ish.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 5, 2015 14:07:24 GMT -5
Better than Sandoval right now at a fraction of the cost. Could someone smarter than myself show what his numbers would have translated at Fenway? Wouldn't it be better, for comparison's sake, to look at whole season numbers for a couple of years rather than relying on this SSS? Ryan Hannigan was a good get. Too bad he got injured. Ok. First, I'm aware that Sandoval has a better OBP, but Middlebrooks has shown much more power in a pitcher-friendly park. I'm positive that his BA/OBP/SLG has been hurt playing out there while Sandoval has been helped by playing at Fenway. Yes, the sample is still not significant enough to judge the two yet, but Middlebrooks has been the better player this year at a fraction of the cost.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 5, 2015 14:31:48 GMT -5
This thread should just be renamed to the Irrational B*tch Fest Thread. We're not "fixing" the Red Sox by DFAing Napoli or replacing Sandoval with Middlebrooks. The team is also not getting fixed by DFA'ing everyone who goes into a slump when the team isn't playing well.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 5, 2015 14:35:20 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox should; DFA; Napoli, Breslow, De Aza, Masterson, Nava & Victorino - If you can get anything for any of them great, if not, BYE BYE - Move Hanley Ramirez to 1B Move Wright & Kelly to the Bullpen Bring up Brian Johnson to be the #5 starter Play Holt everyday in Left Field Call up Bryce Brentz to be the 4th Outfielder and Right handed hitter of the bench Call up Pat Light and add him to the Bullpen Batting Line up; Pedroia Holt Ramirez Ortiz Bogaerts Sandoval Betts Castillo Swihart Bench; Leon Brentz Bianchi Rotation; Buchholz Porcello Miley Rodriguez Johnson Bullpen; Uehara Tazawa Ogando Barnes Layne Light Kelly Wright An extra arm in the Bullpen (13) vs the Bench (12) While you're at it, why not make Masterson the DH? He's got the best BA on the team!
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Post by danr on Jun 5, 2015 14:45:43 GMT -5
Sandoval's knee injury probably was worse than publicly revealed. He was hitting pretty well - at least lefthanded - before that. He has not hit well since then.
He normally is a good hitter and defender and what we are seeing right now should just be temporary.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 5, 2015 15:47:29 GMT -5
Because Schwarber projects to have an outstanding bat. I agree to an extent, but Schwarber is *way* better a batting prospect than Travis. You don't want to end up with what you have now at 3B and LF by adding another player who might need seasoning. The way pitching has made a comeback in the Post steroid era, I believe you need a legit glove first at key positions.. I tell you guy's, if Im Cherington I would call the LA Dodgers this time about Sandoval. LA again with a crowded OF situation. AEtheir can play all 3 OF positions very well. Contracts are about the same in yearly money. I believe AEthier has 2 yrs less on a deal than Sandoval. LA playing a journeyman and an OF by trade at 3B.. Sandoval's postseason bat might tempt LA if the sox sweeten the deal with an A prospect which on paper they have a surplus of or another SP which at the moment Bucholz qualifies.. Ethier is absolutely terrible. He plays all three OF positions, but none well and CF pretty poorly. He also wields a noodle bat. Also, back to the original point, there's no reason to think Schwarber can't field. Napoli went from C to become an excellent 1b. And in mentioning the (strike-zone-related) rise of pitching, all the more reason an elite bat has premium value. Don't get me wrong, I can't see giving up both Buchholz and Margot for Schwarber. But acquiring a .300-hitting lefty bat with 30-HR power that is probably less than a year from the majors is an excellent idea. Those guys will always have a place on basically any team, and the Sox are no different, particularly if Papi is on his way out. Please banish all thought of Andre Ethier, and let us never mention him again. I'm going to have nightmares for a month.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 5, 2015 15:52:54 GMT -5
This thread should just be renamed to the Irrational B*tch Fest Thread. We're not "fixing" the Red Sox by DFAing Napoli or replacing Sandoval with Middlebrooks. The team is also not getting fixed by DFA'ing everyone who goes into a slump when the team isn't playing well. Thank God, that needed to be said. Bryce Brentz is not a major leaguer (DFA a guy on pace for almost 30 HR and replace him with a guy who has half as many in AAA and shot himself in the leg?!?!), and Brock Holt is not an everyday player. I won't go further into the rest.
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