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Post by mgoetze on Jun 5, 2015 15:58:36 GMT -5
Brock Holt is not an everyday player. Disagree - I think he is about a league-average starting 2B and would be an upgrade there for about half the teams in MLB. Boston is not one of those teams, though.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 5, 2015 16:07:40 GMT -5
Brock Holt is not an everyday player. Disagree - I think he is about a league-average starting 2B and would be an upgrade there for about half the teams in MLB. Boston is not one of those teams, though. Possible. He's probably an above-average defender there. Not much pop but OK OBP. Mostly, I'm just not sure he stands up to the daily grind, but I could be wrong. In deference to a good point, let me clarify: Brock Holt is not an everyday major-league left fielder, or at least he shouldn't be.
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Post by danr on Jun 5, 2015 16:14:37 GMT -5
Like most players Holt is a streak hitter, but he tends to have those streaks when he doesn't play regularly. He is what he is - a really good utility player who should be used that way, not as a regular. At least not with the Sox.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 5, 2015 16:53:01 GMT -5
Brock Holt is not an everyday major-league left fielder Oh sure, we can agree on that - I like his bat but it won't carry him at a corner OF position.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 5, 2015 17:49:04 GMT -5
Holt at 3B, De Aza in LF ... what a relief. The goal is average, but mediocrity will be tolerated.
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Post by arzjake on Jun 5, 2015 18:07:57 GMT -5
Sandoval = Carl Crawford. The player left a very good team in SF for the malcontents of Northeast New England and the stern media buzz that surrounds Boston Sports. Weight issues, injury issues, fielding issues and whatever other issues he has on the east coast is not going to sit well. Already running this player out of town on EEI and the Hub...
Looked good on paper, I will admit. I just don't see this Player ever digging out of this Year 1 hole much like Crawford. Gotta find a Taker!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 5, 2015 18:12:22 GMT -5
Sandoval = Carl Crawford. The player left a very good team in SF for the malcontents of Northeast New England and the stern media buzz that surrounds Boston Sports. Weight issues, injury issues, fielding issues and whatever other issues he has on the east coast is not going to sit well. Already running this player out of town on EEI and the Hub... Looked good on paper, I will admit. I just don't see this Player ever digging out of this Year 1 hole much like Crawford. Gotta find a Taker! 2 weeks. That's the length he needs to go to swing a hot stick and have everybody love him.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 5, 2015 18:23:30 GMT -5
Sandoval = Carl Crawford. The player left a very good team in SF for the malcontents of Northeast New England and the stern media buzz that surrounds Boston Sports. Weight issues, injury issues, fielding issues and whatever other issues he has on the east coast is not going to sit well. Already running this player out of town on EEI and the Hub... Looked good on paper, I will admit. I just don't see this Player ever digging out of this Year 1 hole much like Crawford. Gotta find a Taker! I'm not advocating what you're saying, but many would argue it didn't look good on paper...
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Post by alnipper on Jun 5, 2015 18:34:21 GMT -5
I think Sandoval will be better than Crawford. Maybe SF will take him back. I think Panda will be about what he was on paper. He is not worth his contract. Hanley will be fine once he gets more healthy.
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Post by nomar on Jun 5, 2015 18:46:14 GMT -5
Sandoval is just in a slump offensively.
I'm more worried about his glove than anything because he doesn't have the bat for 1B.
He's never going to be worth his contract, but I'd hope he can be a good enough overpaid bridge to Devers or Moncada at 3B over the next few years.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 6, 2015 3:30:39 GMT -5
Have better luck on balls in play. They're at least 3 wins short already, and that's ignoring Fenway Park.
I've got a nice regression model to predict team BABIP, with r = .62. Yes, the Sox have baseball's worst Soft%, but Soft% is meaningless, because there's no difference in terms of contributing to team BABIP between it and Medium%.
The two things that really drive team BABIP are Hard% and Popup% (FB% * IFFB%). Together, they explain 57% of the explainable part of team BABIP. And, yes, even though the Sox are only 22nd in Hard%, they're next to worst in Popup% and next to worst in the interaction between it and Hard% (it's Hard% * (Hard% - k * Popup%)).
But, wait, there's more.
The next most important factor (13%) is going to the opposite field, and the Sox are 14th in MLB at that.
Then comes IFH% (10%). The Sox are second. They have 21 more infield hits than average, which has added 14 points to their BABIP. Without them, they'd have a .256 BABIP. Playing in Fenway Park.
Low GB% contributes 9% in this model. Remember that infield hits have already been accounted for, so it's teams that have a high IFH% relative to GB% that really get a BABIP boost, which makes some sense. The Sox are 22nd in lowest GB%, bad (for this metric) but not terrible.
Low K% contributes 7%. The Sox are second best in MLB (who knew?).
High BB% contributes 4%. The Sox rank 8th. I may check later for an interaction between K% and BB%, which would make some sense, and if there is one, we probably look even better.
The model predicts a .295 BABIP in a neutral park, which is a point below this year's average and 2 points below the 2002-14 average. In other words, the relatively low amount of hard contact and very high popup rate should have been nearly offset by all the infield hits, with a little bit of boost from terrific plate discipline.
A .295 BABIP versus the actual .270 is 37 more hits than we've had, and each hit is about .8 runs. I think that when you factor in Fenway, it's probably a 4 win deficit.
Oh, and the model says Mookie is 10 hits unlucky, which would bring his BA up to .289. He's basically hit his Steamer projection (.286 / .350 / .428) on the nose, he's just done it right at fielders.
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Post by mannofsteele on Jun 6, 2015 5:38:27 GMT -5
Is it too early to trade him to San Francisco for Tyler Beede and an infield prospect (Completely joke of a post). It really is the starting pitching to me so far that is the problem and bridging the gap to Uehara. Aside from Tazawa and possibly Barnes, I still see lots of holes there.
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Post by bookiemetts on Jun 6, 2015 8:28:36 GMT -5
Have better luck on balls in play. They're at least 3 wins short already, and that's ignoring Fenway Park. I've got a nice regression model to predict team BABIP, with r = .62. Yes, the Sox have baseball's worst Soft%, but Soft% is meaningless, because there's no difference in terms of contributing to team BABIP between it and Medium%. The two things that really drive team BABIP are Hard% and Popup% (FB% * IFFB%). Together, they explain 57% of the explainable part of team BABIP. And, yes, even though the Sox are only 22nd in Hard%, they're next to worst in Popup% and next to worst in the interaction between it and Hard% (it's Hard% * (Hard% - k * Popup%)). But, wait, there's more. The next most important factor (13%) is going to the opposite field, and the Sox are 14th in MLB at that. Then comes IFH% (10%). The Sox are second. They have 21 more infield hits than average, which has added 14 points to their BABIP. Without them, they'd have a .256 BABIP. Playing in Fenway Park. Low GB% contributes 9% in this model. Remember that infield hits have already been accounted for, so it's teams that have a high IFH% relative to GB% that really get a BABIP boost, which makes some sense. The Sox are 22nd in lowest GB%, bad (for this metric) but not terrible. Low K% contributes 7%. The Sox are second best in MLB (who knew?). High BB% contributes 4%. The Sox rank 8th. I may check later for an interaction between K% and BB%, which would make some sense, and if there is one, we probably look even better. The model predicts a .295 BABIP in a neutral park, which is a point below this year's average and 2 points below the 2002-14 average. In other words, the relatively low amount of hard contact and very high popup rate should have been nearly offset by all the infield hits, with a little bit of boost from terrific plate discipline. A .295 BABIP versus the actual .270 is 37 more hits than we've had, and each hit is about .8 runs. I think that when you factor in Fenway, it's probably a 4 win deficit. Oh, and the model says Mookie is 10 hits unlucky, which would bring his BA up to .289. He's basically hit his Steamer projection (.286 / .350 / .428) on the nose, he's just done it right at fielders. Thanks for the analysis Eric, very interesting. However, I do have a couple questions. How did you determine that Hard% and IFFB% are the driving factors of team BABIP? I remember an article on Fangraphs about trying to make sense of the Hard%, and in the comments I came across this graph: cdn.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Non_Normalized_BABIP_HH-.pngIt seems here that there's no correlation between Hard% and BABIP, so does the IFFB% really make that big of a difference? Sorry if I'm missing something here, I don't know that much about statistics but I am curious.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 6, 2015 9:05:32 GMT -5
I can retire now, knowing that the quantitative world is in good hands.
Which is the prerequisite corollary to "now, I can die a happy man".
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Post by ethanbein on Jun 6, 2015 9:56:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the analysis Eric, very interesting. However, I do have a couple questions. How did you determine that Hard% and IFFB% are the driving factors of team BABIP? I remember an article on Fangraphs about trying to make sense of the Hard%, and in the comments I came across this graph: cdn.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Non_Normalized_BABIP_HH-.pngIt seems here that there's no correlation between Hard% and BABIP, so does the IFFB% really make that big of a difference? Sorry if I'm missing something here, I don't know that much about statistics but I am curious. Eric can answer for himself, but even in that graph there's a decent positive slope. R^2 doesn't really tell you anything about the strength of the relationship, only about how important that factor is, relative to other factors (and random noise). It's kind of a signal-to-noise ratio. Also, once you control for other factors, it's very possible that the effect of Hard% could go up (let's say teams that have a high Hard% also had a high Popup%, when you control for that the effect of Hard% on BABIP would go up). Quick question for Eric - is your regression predicting current period BABIP or next period BABIP?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 6, 2015 10:17:00 GMT -5
What do you think the plans will be for 1b next year? Can't see Napoli getting extended. We surely need a LH bat. Don't want Hanley anywhere near a live baseball. I can live with him in LF for another year. Until Papi hangs it up after next season or is let go during the season.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 6, 2015 10:35:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the analysis Eric, very interesting. However, I do have a couple questions. How did you determine that Hard% and IFFB% are the driving factors of team BABIP? I remember an article on Fangraphs about trying to make sense of the Hard%, and in the comments I came across this graph: cdn.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Non_Normalized_BABIP_HH-.pngIt seems here that there's no correlation between Hard% and BABIP, so does the IFFB% really make that big of a difference? Sorry if I'm missing something here, I don't know that much about statistics but I am curious. That graph actually shows a very statistically significant correlation, but one that only explains a tiny part of BABIP. Too much noise, which is to say, individual player luck, but thousands of data points. Using team data is just a clever trick. All the players on a team in a year are sharing the same park factor, so it's legit to lump them together, and when you do that, you remove a lot of the noise. The luck of a group of players will tend to even out to the point where you can measure it. Each sample in my analysis averages 6216 PA, or about 10 years of data for an average player, only it's composed of many players with different styles. It's highly unlikely that such a group if players has a real factor (other than their park, which adds noise) that the regression can't find. And a bunch of other things that I looked at it were not statistically significant: LD%, Soft%, wGDP, Pull%, Med%, Cent%, OF-FB%, BUH%, wSB, UBR, HR/FB. All of these are already accounted for by the other variables. I used multiple linear regression to do this. I may try ANOVA later, which will get me park factors, and then redo the regression. This was a quick study, just a couple of hours of work.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 6, 2015 10:42:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the analysis Eric, very interesting. However, I do have a couple questions. How did you determine that Hard% and IFFB% are the driving factors of team BABIP? I remember an article on Fangraphs about trying to make sense of the Hard%, and in the comments I came across this graph: cdn.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Non_Normalized_BABIP_HH-.pngIt seems here that there's no correlation between Hard% and BABIP, so does the IFFB% really make that big of a difference? Sorry if I'm missing something here, I don't know that much about statistics but I am curious. Eric can answer for himself, but even in that graph there's a decent positive slope. R^2 doesn't really tell you anything about the strength of the relationship, only about how important that factor is, relative to other factors (and random noise). It's kind of a signal-to-noise ratio. Also, once you control for other factors, it's very possible that the effect of Hard% could go up (let's say teams that have a high Hard% also had a high Popup%, when you control for that the effect of Hard% on BABIP would go up). Quick question for Eric - is your regression predicting current period BABIP or next period BABIP? Current. What should a team's seasonal BABIP be, given factors that we know correlate to it statistically and which (except possibly for low GB% relative to IFH%) make perfectly good sense as things that ought to? I should mention that the p value in this regression of BB% is .09. I left it in because it made sense and because I know I'm not controlling for a huge confounding variable, park factor (which, as I said, I hope to do next). If I leave it out, the predicted team BABIP drops a point.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 6, 2015 11:38:26 GMT -5
They need to draft better and get a new GM. Ben has a bad trade record. I am happy the Sox did not give the Phillies what they wanted to get Hamels.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jun 6, 2015 12:27:37 GMT -5
They need to draft better and get a new GM. Ben has a bad trade record. I am happy the Sox did not give the Phillies what they wanted to get Hamels. I would question how much control Ben really has. Remember this is an ownership group obsessed with TV ratings. That's why they overpaid to get the cute 3B from the team that won 3 out of 5. The Red Sox MUST spend up to the luxury tax threshold and beyond regardless of the baseball merits of doing so.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2015 12:39:34 GMT -5
They need to draft better and get a new GM. Ben has a bad trade record. I am happy the Sox did not give the Phillies what they wanted to get Hamels. I would question how much control Ben really has. Remember this is an ownership group obsessed with TV ratings. That's why they overpaid to get the cute 3B from the team that won 3 out of 5. The Red Sox MUST spend up to the luxury tax threshold and beyond regardless of the baseball merits of doing so. And they just wasted 3 years on WMB. What should they have done? I would have preferred Headley, but that didn't look like it was an option.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jun 6, 2015 13:15:10 GMT -5
I would question how much control Ben really has. Remember this is an ownership group obsessed with TV ratings. That's why they overpaid to get the cute 3B from the team that won 3 out of 5. The Red Sox MUST spend up to the luxury tax threshold and beyond regardless of the baseball merits of doing so. And they just wasted 3 years on WMB. What should they have done? I would have preferred Headley, but that didn't look like it was an option. At least Headley doesn't cost them a pick. He wasn't an option because he didn't have a cute nickname and wouldn't drive ratings. You will have a hard time convincing me that they had no other viable option than to pay Sandoval all that money.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2015 13:50:30 GMT -5
And they just wasted 3 years on WMB. What should they have done? I would have preferred Headley, but that didn't look like it was an option. At least Headley doesn't cost them a pick. He wasn't an option because he didn't have a cute nickname and wouldn't drive ratings. You will have a hard time convincing me that they had no other viable option than to pay Sandoval all that money. Headley didn't appear interested in leaving NY. That's why he wasn't an option. The cute nickname crap is a bunch of garbage. Are you channeling godot?
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 6, 2015 14:42:46 GMT -5
At least Headley doesn't cost them a pick. He wasn't an option because he didn't have a cute nickname and wouldn't drive ratings. You will have a hard time convincing me that they had no other viable option than to pay Sandoval all that money. Headley didn't appear interested in leaving NY. That's why he wasn't an option. The cute nickname crap is a bunch of garbage. Are you channeling godot? Yup. Believe he wanted to stay in NY
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 6, 2015 15:02:27 GMT -5
Headley didn't appear interested in leaving NY. That's why he wasn't an option. Oh come on, he had been in NY for half a year. I'm sure an extra $5 million could have stimulated his interest.
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