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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 7, 2015 21:34:35 GMT -5
Honestly I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in that, but I'd love it if they did it.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Nov 7, 2015 22:01:46 GMT -5
I'm just not sure what he means when he says they'll move Swihart around to several positions. If Hanley fails at 1B, it seems that Shaw would be the next man up, not Swihart. The OF is already crowded an I don't see Swihart at a middle infield position. That leaves 3B. I'd love to see him get a shot there but I don't see any other position that would work.
Gammo certainly has lost a lot off the fastball. Look at this passage:
"Which, without a running commentary either from Greinke or his agent Casey Close, who does not use clients for publicity. Leads most to the conclusion that this man who posted a .611 OPS against lefthanded pitchers (146 points higher than Sandoval) and is an elite fielder who thinks he could platoon at third base is free to do what he wants, namely hit. Which requires staying in the National League."
Also, I didn't realize the RS had signed Javier Vasquez to make a comeback as a C:
"...while they think Javier Vazquez is a premium defensive catcher, he still is only throwing 100 feet and DHing in Puerto Rico..."
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Post by bookiemetts on Nov 7, 2015 22:08:49 GMT -5
Haha wow get that man an editor. Yeah if they're going to move Swihart around, 3B seems like the most logical remaining position barring any offseason moves.
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Post by jdb on Nov 8, 2015 13:48:06 GMT -5
If the plan is for Swihart to catch 52 games and move him around on the corners he's probably best used in a trade. I honestly can't buy that's the plan though.
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Post by jmei on Nov 8, 2015 14:02:03 GMT -5
Gammo'a columns are filled with those sorts of unattributed tidbits where it's hard to tell how much of it is opinion and how much of it is inside info.
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Post by heisenberg on Nov 8, 2015 14:54:07 GMT -5
"In his short time with the Red Sox, newly-minted Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto turned in a detailed report on the Sox organization from top to bottom, according to Red Sox top exec Dave Dombrowski. With that kind of intimate knowledge of the Sox, Cafardo speculates that it would make sense to watch for Mariners/Red Sox trade talks." www.mlbtraderumors.com/
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 8, 2015 17:57:14 GMT -5
How do you see them matching up with the Red Sox in trade discussions? They just made a significant swap with Tampa for a Sp.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 8, 2015 20:17:12 GMT -5
"In his short time with the Red Sox, newly-minted Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto turned in a detailed report on the Sox organization from top to bottom, according to Red Sox top exec Dave Dombrowski. With that kind of intimate knowledge of the Sox, Cafardo speculates that it would make sense to watch for Mariners/Red Sox trade talks." www.mlbtraderumors.com/Isn't the guy who's seen all your internal reports the absolute last person you want to be in a trade negotiation with?
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 8, 2015 21:01:24 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 10m10 minutes ago Hanley Ramirez is at GM Meetings with his agent, Adam Katz, to talk to #Redsox officials. Dombrowski calls "general business" (cont)
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 10m10 minutes ago Dombrowski said worth meeting because were in Fla. Says plan is still for Hanley to play 1b for #Redsox next year.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 8, 2015 21:17:02 GMT -5
"In his short time with the Red Sox, newly-minted Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto turned in a detailed report on the Sox organization from top to bottom, according to Red Sox top exec Dave Dombrowski. With that kind of intimate knowledge of the Sox, Cafardo speculates that it would make sense to watch for Mariners/Red Sox trade talks." www.mlbtraderumors.com/Isn't the guy who's seen all your internal reports the absolute last person you want to be in a trade negotiation with? I can see both sides of it. I mean he knows what is in the system better than most, which maybe makes some of the more under the radar guys more accessible to trades. Cafardo is also really going out on a limb with that speculation. Person A just spent 4 months scouring team X and reporting to the GM/President/Owner and just got hired as the GM of team Y. Whoof, that one took a leap of faith. I'm not entirely sure they match up on anything in particular, and don't see much coming together, unless the Mariners decide to dangle Walker. Seattle's system is pretty brutal and needs a rebuild, with their current strength being MLB ready pitching. So maybe they decide to move him, but I doubt it. I don't take much of what Cafardo writes to mean much at all anyways
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 8, 2015 21:17:41 GMT -5
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 8, 2015 21:46:29 GMT -5
"In his short time with the Red Sox, newly-minted Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto turned in a detailed report on the Sox organization from top to bottom, according to Red Sox top exec Dave Dombrowski. With that kind of intimate knowledge of the Sox, Cafardo speculates that it would make sense to watch for Mariners/Red Sox trade talks." www.mlbtraderumors.com/Isn't the guy who's seen all your internal reports the absolute last person you want to be in a trade negotiation with? I think you have the wrong idea on how trades in the MLB work 85% of the time. If you fleece everyone, trading becomes harder. Often, you and another GM are looking for a mutually beneficial trade. This is why the Red Sox and Mariners might link up. Though, looking over the mariners roster, I'm not exactly who the Sox want outside of possibly a reliever. Assuming they'd have interest in Gutierrez if he was still under contract with the Mariners but he's a FA.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 8, 2015 22:30:32 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 8, 2015 22:47:54 GMT -5
If the plan is for Swihart to catch 52 games and move him around on the corners he's probably best used in a trade. I honestly can't buy that's the plan though. It makes some sense for one year while you evaluate Vazquez's elbow and further evaluate both of their bats. The bigger problem, I think, is finding all of the extra games for Swihart while not making the team weaker whenever he plays. It might make sense on a team where the backup SS was just that, and Swihart's job was to give various guys days off in some kind of rough rotation, but you already have Holt to do that job.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 8, 2015 23:00:19 GMT -5
If the plan is for Swihart to catch 52 games and move him around on the corners he's probably best used in a trade. I honestly can't buy that's the plan though. It makes some sense for one year while you evaluate Vazquez's elbow and further evaluate both of their bats. The bigger problem, I think, is finding all of the extra games for Swihart while not making the team weaker whenever he plays. It might make sense on a team where the backup SS was just that, and Swihart's job was to give various guys days off in some kind of rough rotation, but you already have Holt to do that job. If Swihart goes in a deal it's probably going to be for someone who is so good you don't quite care that Swihart is gone (i.e. Sonny Gray or Chris Sale). Though, it doesn't totally go without saying that Swihart did not have a good season defensively. Baseball Prospectus player pages have some good catching metrics that try to quantify pitch framing and blocking, etc. But I think they see a very real likelihood that he improves.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 9, 2015 8:53:36 GMT -5
"In his short time with the Red Sox, newly-minted Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto turned in a detailed report on the Sox organization from top to bottom, according to Red Sox top exec Dave Dombrowski. With that kind of intimate knowledge of the Sox, Cafardo speculates that it would make sense to watch for Mariners/Red Sox trade talks." www.mlbtraderumors.com/Isn't the guy who's seen all your internal reports the absolute last person you want to be in a trade negotiation with? I wouldn't be surprised if he started picking up some of our castoffs, but it's not like we've had any dealings with Theo since he left.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 9, 2015 10:37:51 GMT -5
I'm sorry, there's no way Vazquez catches 110 games next year coming off of Tommy John. I think he means way down the line, if both are on the roster. And yeah, you've got to think that if both pan out in the best possible way, and you must keep both on the roster, that's what you'd do, right? But both may not pan out that way down the line. And as for this year, I like my team's starting catcher, if he's going to catch 110 games, to be able to do more than throw the ball 100 feet as of the previous November, y'know?
It really feels like they're going to have to ease Vazquez back into things, starting the year in AAA and ramping up. The Leon sign-and-outright plan doesn't make sense otherwise - the whole point is for him to be the third catcher if something happens to Swihart or Hanigan.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 9, 2015 11:01:04 GMT -5
“@jonheymancbs: Interest is steep in darren o’day. red sox, tigers, nats, dodgers, royals, cubs all in.”
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 9, 2015 11:42:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry, there's no way Vazquez catches 110 games next year coming off of Tommy John. I think he means way down the line, if both are on the roster. And yeah, you've got to think that if both pan out in the best possible way, and you must keep both on the roster, that's what you'd do, right? But both may not pan out that way down the line. And as for this year, I like my team's starting catcher, if he's going to catch 110 games, to be able to do more than throw the ball 100 feet as of the previous November, y'know? It really feels like they're going to have to ease Vazquez back into things, starting the year in AAA and ramping up. The Leon sign-and-outright plan doesn't make sense otherwise - the whole point is for him to be the third catcher if something happens to Swihart or Hanigan. I don't see Swihart's value get any higher than right now.....even though I see him as a good hitter in the .280 range, I just don't see the power. Defensively, has holes. If you go another year & doesn't improve/excel, he doesn't bring you that #1A we need. Open the season with Hanigan/Leon for a month until CV is ready, then do a 50/50 for them both (Hanigan/CV). CV hitting .240 & great defense & having a #1A > Swihart hitting .280 & not having said starter. I know the risk of CV not coming back, but what if Swihart turning into Lavarnway or Jesus Montero (unlikely I know, but could happen).
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Post by jmei on Nov 9, 2015 15:11:51 GMT -5
Moved a bunch of Trey Ball discussion to that thread. Please don't use this thread as a catch-all if there's another thread it's better suited for. Thanks.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 9, 2015 17:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by juanpena on Nov 9, 2015 17:20:33 GMT -5
Isn't the guy who's seen all your internal reports the absolute last person you want to be in a trade negotiation with? I wouldn't be surprised if he started picking up some of our castoffs, but it's not like we've had any dealings with Theo since he left. Not with the Sox, except for Doubront (which could be a steal for the Sox if Marco Hernandez can become a useful utility player), but Theo knew what he traded away in Rizzo and got him from the Padres.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Nov 9, 2015 19:03:34 GMT -5
I'm pretty giddy about what Trader Dave is going to do, should be interesting.
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Post by ray88h66 on Nov 9, 2015 19:17:42 GMT -5
I think there will be some big trades. No problems trading with the Cubs, or Mariners. Please, no more trades with the Cards.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 9, 2015 19:44:59 GMT -5
@peteabe: Dombrowski said #RedSox could trade from prospect depth while still maintaining a solid farm system. Said interest in their players is high
Let us all take a moment here, bow our heads and say goodbye to our personal favorite prospect(s). He (or they) may not make it to Thanksgiving with this organization. Trader Dave is at the table and dealing.
(Personally, I reallyI don't want to see Devers, Moncada or Espinosa go).
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