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Post by ray88h66 on Nov 9, 2015 19:53:23 GMT -5
@peteabe: Dombrowski said #RedSox could trade from prospect depth while still maintaining a solid farm system. Said interest in their players is high Let us all take a moment here, bow our heads and say goodbye to our personal favorite prospect(s). He (or they) may not make it to Thanksgiving with this organization. Trader Dave is at the table and dealing. (Personally, I reallyI don't want to see Devers, Moncada or Espinosa go). Swihart, is my personal binky. If he, or any of those mentioned bring a top of the rotation guy, I'm all in.
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Post by mjammz on Nov 9, 2015 20:10:37 GMT -5
Dombrowski said today he thought he already had a deal done but the other team got "cold feet". Seems like he's pushing to make something happen rather quickly. Excited to see what he has planned, when Dombrowski makes moves they're usually substantial.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 9, 2015 21:49:18 GMT -5
"I thought we already had the chance of making one deal and somebody who I thought might make the deal came back and said no," Dombrowski said. "You just never know about those things and I have learned to that my predictive abilities are not very accurate through time periods and every free-agent and trading year is somewhat different so you just never know when things will break.” www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2015/11/mlb_hot_stove_boston_red_sox_g.html
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Post by Smittyw on Nov 9, 2015 22:19:04 GMT -5
This offseason is going to be off the chain.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 9, 2015 22:32:45 GMT -5
www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/486502/Report--Reds-trying-to-deal-Chapman,-Phillips Robert Murray of BaseballEssential.com reports that the Reds are looking to trade Aroldis Chapman and Brandon Phillips. Murray says that the club is also willing to listen to offers for Todd Frazier and Jay Bruce. The Reds received plenty of interest in Chapman at the trade deadline in July but wound up hanging onto him, with many reports saying that their asking price was exorbitant. However, they could be more motivated to swap him this winter as they look to rebuild their roster. The Astros, Yankees and Diamondbacks were among the clubs that had interest in Chapman at the deadline, but there would figure to be a host of teams to inquire on him this offseason. Phillips is 34 and is owed $27 million through 2017, so the Reds might have to
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Post by chud on Nov 10, 2015 3:52:37 GMT -5
Dombrowski said today he thought he already had a deal done but the other team got "cold feet". Seems like he's pushing to make something happen rather quickly. Excited to see what he has planned, when Dombrowski makes moves they're usually substantial. Of course this all comes out after the guy gets essentially "let go", but I remember when Cherington got hired the complements people gave him were "he's very deliberate", "he's a good listener", "he's methodical" etc...All good things I supposed...the premise was that he was different from Theo in that Theo was more ready to act quickly and seemed to have his own thoughts as opposed to taking in "group think"...Although both Theo/Ben left after horrible big ticket FA signings, I'm a much bigger fan of the "taking action/moving quickly"approach from a leader as it carries with it an air of decisiveness, confidence, and self assuredness in action and in what you're trying to accomplish. Couple that w/ an excellent track record for making good personnel decisions and I love the fact that DD was already close to a trade...not even sure what the hell it was for, but just that the guy's been here since August and he's ready to jump right in to the fray and mix it up very early in the off season...Again, show's me he has a plan, he's decisive, and he's ready to act on the plan...All great things to see from the leader of baseball operations in my opinion...
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 10, 2015 4:18:48 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale 6 u The #Redsox are expressing interest in free agent OF Chris Young
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Post by awall on Nov 10, 2015 6:29:50 GMT -5
Dombrowski said today he thought he already had a deal done but the other team got "cold feet". Seems like he's pushing to make something happen rather quickly. Excited to see what he has planned, when Dombrowski makes moves they're usually substantial. Good! The more moves get made, the higher the asking price can go when teams know you're trying to fill specific needs.
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Post by jimoh on Nov 10, 2015 7:09:06 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale 6 u The #Redsox are expressing interest in free agent OF Chris Young Hmm, good vs. LHP, but Sox have 2 RHH of, and in Bradley a LHH of who is not worse against LHP. Has never played 1b.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 10, 2015 7:57:25 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale 6 u The #Redsox are expressing interest in free agent OF Chris Young Hmm, good vs. LHP, but Sox have 2 RHH of, and in Bradley a LHH of who is not worse against LHP. Has never played 1b. A masher.
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Post by jmei on Nov 10, 2015 9:11:20 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale 6 u The #Redsox are expressing interest in free agent OF Chris Young Hmm, good vs. LHP, but Sox have 2 RHH of, and in Bradley a LHH of who is not worse against LHP. Has never played 1b. He hasn't shown a split in the majors (he actually has a reverse split in his limited MLB time), but he did show a fairly large split in the minors: vs. L: .271/.365/.404 (368 PAs) vs. R: .307/.407/.488 ((884 PAs) The other reason they'd pursue a RHH fourth outfielder is that their two existing non-C bench players (Shaw and Holt) are lefties. Having a righty on the bench would be useful to, for instance, pinch-hit for Sandoval versus LHP. A LHH fourth outfielder would also make sense, especially because their worst (and most oft-injured) outfielder is a RHH in Castillo, but they may prefer to use Holt (or even Shaw, who has played some LF) as the Castillo caddy.
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Post by nomar on Nov 10, 2015 9:21:33 GMT -5
I don't really see the point of having Young and Castillo. I think Castillo will be traded though. To be clear, that's just my opinion/feeling.
There's too much risk in starting JBJ, Castillo, and Hanley at 1B. Too many leaps of faith to take. Castillo's ceiling is lower than JBJ's, and we're looking at Chris Young, so I'm going out on a limb and predicting a Castillo trade. Castillo needs to be in CF next year IMO if a team wants to start him without worrying about his bat.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 10, 2015 9:58:42 GMT -5
I don't really see the point of having Young and Castillo. I think Castillo will be traded though. To be clear, that's just my opinion/feeling. There's too much risk in starting JBJ, Castillo, and Hanley at 1B. Too many leaps of faith to take. Castillo's ceiling is lower than JBJ's, and we're looking at Chris Young, so I'm going out on a limb and predicting a Castillo trade. Castillo needs to be in CF next year IMO if a team wants to start him without worrying about his bat. That's why you bring in a platoon guy.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 10, 2015 9:58:25 GMT -5
Anyone else continually thrown off by DDo's frankness? He really just puts everything out there, from where people will play, who will probably be around, what he needs this year. It's so disconcerting, coming from the closed shop of Theo/Ben (where leaks were more common but straight talk or showing your hand was not), and in a town where Belichick is (mostly) revered for avioding saying anything of substance. This will take some getting used to.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 10, 2015 10:09:12 GMT -5
Hard to say how much is really true, though. He could just be talking. I'm pretty sure he's not being THAT frank. I mean, other teams probably have a general idea of what the Sox need and likely are looking for. He has been consistent about Hanley being the 1B next year. Many here don't believe that for a second. So who knows.
You never know what presents itself.
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Post by nomar on Nov 10, 2015 10:16:56 GMT -5
I don't really see the point of having Young and Castillo. I think Castillo will be traded though. To be clear, that's just my opinion/feeling. There's too much risk in starting JBJ, Castillo, and Hanley at 1B. Too many leaps of faith to take. Castillo's ceiling is lower than JBJ's, and we're looking at Chris Young, so I'm going out on a limb and predicting a Castillo trade. Castillo needs to be in CF next year IMO if a team wants to start him without worrying about his bat. That's why you bring in a platoon guy. I don't think Chris Young counters the downside of any of those guys besides JBJ, personally. There's no scenario where you want him in the lineup vs RHP, and if JBJ/Castillo can't hang in the majors, you're in need of another LHH option. Maybe Holt would be the plan there, but I like having him as the utility guy more than a platoon OF.
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Post by xanderdu on Nov 10, 2015 10:35:33 GMT -5
Anyone else continually thrown off by DDo's frankness? He really just puts everything out there, from where people will play, who will probably be around, what he needs this year. It's so disconcerting, coming from the closed shop of Theo/Ben (where leaks were more common but straight talk or showing your hand was not), and in a town where Belichick is (mostly) revered for avioding saying anything of substance. This will take some getting used to. I look at his phrasing as a "at this moment" statement. BBC is our starting outfield (as of this moment). Hanley is our starting 1B (as of this moment). If deals present themselves involving players he has, already referenced as having starting spots in 2016 get traded, it's as simple as "yes the plan was for him to be our starter, but we were able to improve the club by making this deal" statement and what he said in the past becomes moot. He's already stated no one is untradeable in the right situation. For me, everything else is just him saying words that are true in a given moment. In other words, anything is possible.
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Post by jimoh on Nov 10, 2015 10:42:29 GMT -5
Hmm, good vs. LHP, but Sox have 2 RHH of, and in Bradley a LHH of who is not worse against LHP. Has never played 1b. He hasn't shown a split in the majors (he actually has a reverse split in his limited MLB time), but he did show a fairly large split in the minors: vs. L: .271/.365/.404 (368 PAs) vs. R: .307/.407/.488 ((884 PAs) The other reason they'd pursue a RHH fourth outfielder is that their two existing non-C bench players (Shaw and Holt) are lefties. Having a righty on the bench would be useful to, for instance, pinch-hit for Sandoval versus LHP. A LHH fourth outfielder would also make sense, especially because their worst (and most oft-injured) outfielder is a RHH in Castillo, but they may prefer to use Holt (or even Shaw, who has played some LF) as the Castillo caddy. Fair points, but I'd hate to turn JBJ from a guy who can (maybe) hit LHP to one who can't because he doesn't see them. Interestingly, Young has been a severe pull hitter, with no HRs to RF and and 2 to CF the last four years. Reverse platoon split in 2014, but very bad vs RHP in 2013 and 2015
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 10, 2015 11:12:34 GMT -5
He hasn't shown a split in the majors (he actually has a reverse split in his limited MLB time), but he did show a fairly large split in the minors: vs. L: .271/.365/.404 (368 PAs) vs. R: .307/.407/.488 ((884 PAs) The other reason they'd pursue a RHH fourth outfielder is that their two existing non-C bench players (Shaw and Holt) are lefties. Having a righty on the bench would be useful to, for instance, pinch-hit for Sandoval versus LHP. A LHH fourth outfielder would also make sense, especially because their worst (and most oft-injured) outfielder is a RHH in Castillo, but they may prefer to use Holt (or even Shaw, who has played some LF) as the Castillo caddy. Fair points, but I'd hate to turn JBJ from a guy who can (maybe) hit LHP to one who can't because he doesn't see them. Interestingly, Young has been a severe pull hitter, with no HRs to RF and and 2 to CF the last four years. Reverse platoon split in 2014, but very bad vs RHP in 2013 and 2015 There's good arguments for a 4th OF being RHH or LHH......I do think we need a little pop on the roster. Young did hit 14 HR last year in part time AB's with Yankee Stadium as his home park & as you note, he is a pull hitter. I don't think we need another Aoki or even De Aza type that doesn't have that threat, especially off the bench late in a game.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 10, 2015 11:22:31 GMT -5
Young is OK, but I would believe he would need more at-bats to be happy. I'm really not a big Rajii Davis fan, but I could see him being fine only getting in occasionally. Not sure if I'm right, but I actually would prefer a left handed hitting outfielder to platoon, if necessary, with Rusney Castillo.
I sort of compare Bradley and Castillo all the time, and I just see Jackie B. as more of a surer thing. I certainly can see, at times, someone playing center other than Jackie Jr., especially when going against someone like Sale.....but I'd like to see him start 140 games next year unless he really can't handle it.
Castillo's September performance has got me real concerned. Of the two outfielders, a platoon partner for him seems more serious. Either way, we definitely need a solid 4th outfielder. But maybe we may be looking for a starter if Dombrowski moves one of Bradley or Castillo.
I'm sure I speak for us all.......I CAN'T WAIT FOR SOME RED SOX ACTION!!!
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Post by mobaz on Nov 10, 2015 11:22:28 GMT -5
Anyone else continually thrown off by DDo's frankness? He really just puts everything out there, from where people will play, who will probably be around, what he needs this year. It's so disconcerting, coming from the closed shop of Theo/Ben (where leaks were more common but straight talk or showing your hand was not), and in a town where Belichick is (mostly) revered for avioding saying anything of substance. This will take some getting used to. I look at his phrasing as a "at this moment" statement. BBC is our starting outfield (as of this moment). Hanley is our starting 1B (as of this moment). If deals present themselves involving players he has, already referenced as having starting spots in 2016 get traded, it's as simple as "yes the plan was for him to be our starter, but we were able to improve the club by making this deal" statement and what he said in the past becomes moot. He's already stated no one is untradeable in the right situation. For me, everything else is just him saying words that are true in a given moment. In other words, anything is possible. I meant more that he talks in specifics at all feels a little jarring. I never took anything he said as "set in stone" other than the obvious need for pitching. Even saying "we want a top of the rotation pitcher and maybe 2 relievers" is just different than what we've been used to. Don't think it puts us at an advantage or a disadvantage, but it's a little fun as a fan to see the curtain cracked a little more than it used to be.
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Post by xanderdu on Nov 10, 2015 11:34:40 GMT -5
Agreed, I like his approach more that the previous regime.
On the Castillo debate. I think one of the issues we're wrestling with is his value on a corner, as opposed to in CF. After being a huge proponent of it, I've come around to seeing we're doing ourselves a disservice by forcing 3 CFs into the outfield. Mookies value remains strong in a RF move because of his offense, JBJ a little less, but the Fenway RF does add some increased value. Castillo in LF seems a misuse of his talent. Playing CF, or RF for another team will allow more of his game to shine. He's the guy who should be dealt.
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Post by jmei on Nov 10, 2015 12:01:35 GMT -5
Outfield defense, even in Fenway's LF, is important, and Castillo showed good instincts for playing the wall out there. You can significantly improve your run prevention by improving your defense. I know this is sacrilege, but I honestly think their rotation, as it stands today, is middle-of-the-pack and one you can live with.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 10, 2015 12:14:22 GMT -5
Agreed, I like his approach more that the previous regime. On the Castillo debate. I think one of the issues we're wrestling with is his value on a corner, as opposed to in CF. After being a huge proponent of it, I've come around to seeing we're doing ourselves a disservice by forcing 3 CFs into the outfield. Mookies value remains strong in a RF move because of his offense, JBJ a little less, but the Fenway RF does add some increased value. Castillo in LF seems a misuse of his talent. Playing CF, or RF for another team will allow more of his game to shine. He's the guy who should be dealt. I know it only takes one team. Just seems these days most teams have real quality center fielders. I don't think we'd be able to "sell" another team on Castillo as their CF unless the salary is heavily subsidized. I think we value him more as a good LF with the capability to be better, especially with a full season under his belt. He has the tools, just needs polishing.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 10, 2015 13:56:49 GMT -5
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