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Post by amfox1 on Jun 3, 2015 8:22:26 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 3m3 minutes ago
Source: #Orioles trade Alejandro De Aza to #RedSox. De Aza was designated for assignment last week.
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 9s10 seconds ago
De Aza gives #RedSox another LH bat. Presumably threatens spot of Peguero, whom Sox acquired last week. But next move for BOS not known.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2015 8:57:15 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 3m3 minutes ago Source: #Orioles trade Alejandro De Aza to #RedSox. De Aza was designated for assignment last week. Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 9s10 seconds ago De Aza gives #RedSox another LH bat. Presumably threatens spot of Peguero, whom Sox acquired last week. But next move for BOS not known. He might actually be as good as Nava if he figures out his strikeout problem this year. Though he doesn't have Nava's bat (which is also lost), he makes up for it with baserunning and in the field. |
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 3, 2015 9:03:44 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 3m3 minutes ago Source: #Orioles trade Alejandro De Aza to #RedSox. De Aza was designated for assignment last week. Ugh... it's fine and well to talk about staying the course but all this scraping at the bottom of the barrel speaks a different language. Jimenez, Peguero, de Aza, how many replacement level players do we want to acquire? |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2015 9:04:59 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 3m3 minutes ago Source: #Orioles trade Alejandro De Aza to #RedSox. De Aza was designated for assignment last week. Ugh... it's fine and well to talk about staying the course but all this scraping at the bottom of the barrel speaks a different language. Jimenez, Peguero, de Aza, how many replacement level players do we want to acquire? De Aza is better than that. He has a $5 million salary which is probably why he was available. But he's been pretty well above replacement the last few years. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 3, 2015 9:13:57 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 3m3 minutes ago Source: #Orioles trade Alejandro De Aza to #RedSox. De Aza was designated for assignment last week. Ugh... it's fine and well to talk about staying the course but all this scraping at the bottom of the barrel speaks a different language. Jimenez, Peguero, de Aza, how many replacement level players do we want to acquire? What's wrong with acquiring a replacement-level player when it fills a need? I mean, that's the whole point of replacement level, right? It's the type of player that is always available. It's not like they are dealing prospects for these guys. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 3, 2015 9:15:30 GMT -5
Alejandro de Aza averaged a 2.25 fWAR over the last four seasons, with a low of 1.5. He's clearly better than replacement level, if used in a correct manner.
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Post by nomar on Jun 3, 2015 9:16:11 GMT -5
Ugh... it's fine and well to talk about staying the course but all this scraping at the bottom of the barrel speaks a different language. Jimenez, Peguero, de Aza, how many replacement level players do we want to acquire? What's wrong with acquiring a replacement-level player when it fills a need? I mean, that's the whole point of replacement level, right? It's the type of player that is always available. It's not like they are dealing prospects for these guys. They can probably sneak Peguero through waivers too. Why not? De Aza gives you more defensively and as a pinch runner. I'm glad we scooped him up. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 3, 2015 9:17:55 GMT -5
And, as I should've mentioned in my previous post, let's not get caught in the replacement-level abstraction. De Aza is a better fit than Peguero, who is probably a better player (and certainly a cheaper one) than Craig.
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Post by jmei on Jun 3, 2015 9:19:09 GMT -5
Ugh... it's fine and well to talk about staying the course but all this scraping at the bottom of the barrel speaks a different language. Jimenez, Peguero, de Aza, how many replacement level players do we want to acquire? De Aza is better than that. He has a $5 million salary which is probably why he was available. But he's been pretty well above replacement the last few years. Over his career, he's been worth 2.3 fWAR and 1.6 rWAR per 600 PAs, which is pretty solid. |
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Post by danr on Jun 3, 2015 9:21:31 GMT -5
De Aza 31 years old 2288 PAs .265/.328/.401/.728 41 HRs OPS+ 99 fWAR 8.8 (-0.2 in 2015)
Nava 32 years old 1522 PAs .268/.357/.388/.745 23 HRs OPS+ 105 fWAR 5.0 (-0.4 in 2015)
Based on the fielding metrics, De Aza is a considerably better defender.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 3, 2015 9:24:26 GMT -5
De Aza is relatively good at defense. At least compared to Nava.
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Post by jmei on Jun 3, 2015 9:24:45 GMT -5
And, as I should've mentioned in my previous post, let's not get caught in the replacement-level abstraction. De Aza is a better fit than Peguero, who is probably a better player (and certainly a cheaper one) than Craig. The real question is what happens when Nava comes off the DL. The roster doesn't really have room for both of them, and as has been noted, they're projected to perform at a similar overall level going forward. Does the tie go to Nava because he can backup first base and has a couple years of team control left? |
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 3, 2015 9:33:11 GMT -5
And, as I should've mentioned in my previous post, let's not get caught in the replacement-level abstraction. De Aza is a better fit than Peguero, who is probably a better player (and certainly a cheaper one) than Craig. The real question is what happens when Nava comes off the DL. The roster doesn't really have room for both of them, and as has been noted, they're projected to perform at a similar overall level going forward. Does the tie go to Nava because he can backup first base and has a couple years of team control left? Yeah, I think the reasons you mentioned favor Nava, along with the familiarity factor. De Aza can nominally play CF, but Castillo could slide over if something happens to Betts. De Aza's ability to be the defensive replacement for Hanley while allowing Holt to play the infield is something that intrigues me though. If, say, the Red Sox want to give one of the infielders the whole day off, they can still get a defensive upgrade in the late innings. Semi-interesting thing I found while researching if De Aza has ever played first base. He did once for two innings, for the long-gone Columbus Catfish in the SAL back in 2004. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 3, 2015 9:33:40 GMT -5
De Aza 31 years old 2288 PAs .265/.328/.401/.728 41 HRs OPS+ 99 Nava 32 years old 1522 PAs .268/.357/.388/.745 23 HRs OPS+ 105 De Aza is also much faster and plays much better defense. Plus he's not putting up the horrendous numbers Nava is. |
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 3, 2015 10:10:48 GMT -5
Steamer RoS park-neutral wOBA projections
Nava: .290 vs. L, .323 vs. R
de Aza: .272 vs. L, .319 vs. R
Castillo: .330 vs L, .307 vs. R
Victorino: .306 vs. L, .308 vs. R (wut?!?)
So de Aza might be an upgrade on Nava against righties, and even worse than Nava against lefties.
I guess it's not out of the question to have an outfield depth chart of Ramirez - Betts - de Aza - (Castillo or Victorino) - Nava, I mean, 2 lefties amongst the outfielders is certainly not too many. Gonna have to go to a 5 man rotation to make this work though.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2015 10:14:57 GMT -5
Steamer RoS park-neutral wOBA projections Nava: .290 vs. L, .323 vs. R de Aza: .272 vs. L, .319 vs. R Castillo: .330 vs L, .307 vs. R Victorino: .306 vs. L, .308 vs. R (wut?!?)So de Aza might be an upgrade on Nava against righties, and even worse than Nava against lefties. I guess it's not out of the question to have an outfield depth chart of Ramirez - Betts - de Aza - (Castillo or Victorino) - Nava, I mean, 2 lefties amongst the outfielders is certainly not too many. Gonna have to go to a 5 man rotation to make this work though. This is why I despise projections and hate using them to make decisions. |
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 3, 2015 10:47:38 GMT -5
Steamer RoS park-neutral wOBA projections Nava: .290 vs. L, .323 vs. R de Aza: .272 vs. L, .319 vs. R Castillo: .330 vs L, .307 vs. R Victorino: .306 vs. L, .308 vs. R (wut?!?) So de Aza might be an upgrade on Nava against righties, and even worse than Nava against lefties. I guess it's not out of the question to have an outfield depth chart of Ramirez - Betts - de Aza - (Castillo or Victorino) - Nava, I mean, 2 lefties amongst the outfielders is certainly not too many. Gonna have to go to a 5 man rotation to make this work though. Problem with that is that your IF back up is also lefthanded, so you'd have zero righthanded bats on the bench. If (and it's a big IF) Victorino's not cooked, I'd like to see the Sox DH Hanley and go with an outfield of Vic-Betts-Castillo against tough LHP. So you can't have both de Aza and Nava ... but I maybe would go with de Aza's defense and baserunning over Nava's greater versatility and control. It's not like the two years of control for the 25th man on the team is all that big an asset. |
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 3, 2015 12:38:40 GMT -5
With a .216 BA he should fit right in with this team. Seriously, he did have good stats after being acquired by the O's, .293 in 20 games and .333 in post season. Team can easily replace Peguero with de Aza and upgrade with the bat. He's been a ML regular for several seasons while Peguero has bounced between AAA and ML.
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Post by nomar on Jun 3, 2015 13:31:54 GMT -5
RoS projections for Castillo are also completely worthless.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 3, 2015 13:43:09 GMT -5
World series, here we come!
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 3, 2015 15:50:03 GMT -5
De Aza is also much faster and plays much better worse defense. Plus he's not putting up the horrendous numbers Nava is. FIFY, according to DRS. UZR likes his range in the OF, DRS doesn't, and adds that he's very mistake-prone. The latest Fielding Bible talks mostly about his weak arm and lack of instincts. He has 0.7 bWAR (which uses DRS) and 3.6 fWAR in 325 games the last 3 years, versus Nava's 5.8 bWAR and 4.1 fWAR in 274. WTF? |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 3, 2015 16:32:00 GMT -5
Baltimore Orioles @orioles 1 min.
The Orioles have acquired minor league RHP Joe Gunkel from the Boston Red Sox in exchange for OF Alejandro De Aza and cash considerations.
Hmmm
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Post by mjammz on Jun 3, 2015 16:32:12 GMT -5
Red Sox traded Joe Gunkel for De Aza and cash. Interesting.
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Post by jmei on Jun 3, 2015 16:36:37 GMT -5
Baltimore Orioles @orioles 1 min. The Orioles have acquired minor league RHP Joe Gunkel from the Boston Red Sox in exchange for OF Alejandro De Aza and cash considerations. Hmmm I think this means that the Orioles are eating the entire contract, which means the Red Sox basically sold Gunkel for $3m or so (and maybe the ability to duck below the luxury tax limit). Which seems kind of dumb. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 3, 2015 16:37:35 GMT -5
Not sure why they traded Gunkel for someone they could have picked up for nothing in a few days. Gunkel appeared to have potential a middle reliever and I would much prefer him over the likes of Breslow and Ross.
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