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MLB Draft Day 1 (2015)
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 9, 2015 0:15:17 GMT -5
Spent about 1/2 hour on the draft this year and anticipated Benentendi as a good fit in my only post. It was more obvious than it might have appeared. The Sox like OF with speed and he did have a terrific year with lots of helium and that was on top of setting the hit record in high school in the state of Ohio, no small feat in itself. This kid has hit well for years now and the Sox draft big pitchers but are more open to small hitters. Some adjustment his freshman year but he was obviously an animal this year. He seems able to barrel up a fastball real well with plenty of bat speed. They cannot get the ball by him on the low inside corner of the plate. Even off the plate. Decent ability to go to left with it already and he is not going to hurt you in RF defensively. Enough pop maybe for a corner OF slot and fast enough to handle Fenway's RF. Real solid pitch recognition or he wouldn't have been able to put up such great BA and power numbers ( probably, even in such small sample sizes ). Great fit.
He reminds me of Nava with more bat speed and foot speed. Similar personality. Not as overt as Pedroia (at all...quite quiet even ) but a real baseball rat in the Pedroia tradition. Really nice kid. Absolutely love this pick.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2015 1:23:24 GMT -5
Okay, hoping for in order:
1. Matuella (doubt we have the dough to sign him) 2. Nix 3. Marshall ( I actually hoped for this/called this one two weeks ago in the draft discussion thread. 4. Trahan 5. Wiseman
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Post by templeusox on Jun 9, 2015 1:29:42 GMT -5
so do you think Matuella is a possible overslot at 83 if he slides? Why waste the pick? They should draft a potential contributor.
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Post by danr on Jun 9, 2015 1:31:04 GMT -5
I wrote a while ago that I thought the Sox would pick a hitter. It just made sense. And I think they got the best hitter in the draft. Time will tell but right now it looks pretty phenomenal. He definitely increases the Sox prospect talent pool.
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Post by templeusox on Jun 9, 2015 1:41:55 GMT -5
The Benintendi pick is probably the easiest one the Sox have had in a while. That's not an insult to them, they did the right thing. I love Fulmer, but Benintendi is the rare toolsy college outfielder. This time next season, people will already be wondering how teams passed on him for everyone other than Swanson.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 9, 2015 2:25:41 GMT -5
I won't quote the reply to keep it from being a personal attack, but it's spelled B-E-plural of nintendo.
Jimoh, are you getting royalties for that?
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Post by teddyballgame on Jun 9, 2015 2:29:27 GMT -5
Anyone know Benintendi's stats on the Cape with wood bats?
Sent from my HTC6525LVW using proboards
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 9, 2015 5:34:04 GMT -5
Anyone know Benintendi's stats on the Cape with wood bats? Sent from my HTC6525LVW using proboards He didn't play summer baseball.
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Post by joshv02 on Jun 9, 2015 5:54:11 GMT -5
So he didn't make a single out.
Fantastic transition music in the podcast. Retire now, Hatfield; it doesn't get any better.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 9, 2015 5:54:44 GMT -5
I won't quote the reply to keep it from being a personal attack, but it's spelled B-E-plural of nintendo. Jimoh, are you getting royalties for that? It was mentioned on the podcast, so I'm putting it on my c.v.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 9, 2015 5:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by boomer on Jun 9, 2015 6:25:36 GMT -5
Lots of good players left for day two. Top Available (BA) 19. Michael Matuella, RHP, Duke 34. Dakota Chalmers, RHP 35. Jalen Miller 37. Jacob Nix 39. Justin Hooper 41. Demi Orimoloye 44. David Hill 46. Joe McCarthy 53. Kyle Molnar 58. Luken Baker 59. Riley Ferrell Don't be surprised to see the Red Sox pick one of these guys. For a low risk but signable college pitcher, healthy and low mileage RP Ferrell from TCU could move quickly but will help them stay within budget better than injury risks (Matuella and McCarthy), risky HS pitchers (there are plenty of them) or HS players who have bonus leverage because of college offers. Here is the BA scouting report for him: Teams have stopped drafting college relievers in the first round. Nick Burdi (picked 46th) and Jacob Lindgren (picked 55th) were the top two relievers taken last year and Corey Knebel (picked 39th) was the only college reliever taken in the top two rounds in 2013. That trend will likely continue this year. College relievers can deliver a quick payoff, though, and none may pay off quicker than Ferrell. Pro teams will be able to take a gloves-off approach this season with Ferrell because he's been so lightly used this spring. TCU's starting pitchers have been so effective that Ferrell had just 25 innings of work as the Big 12 tournament neared. Ferrell has shown that his stuff holds up very well in the very infrequent times he's been used on back-to-back nights, He's averaging only 16 pitches per outing and has topped 30 pitches only once all year. He's posted sub 1.00 ERAs both as a sophomore and junior. Ferrell's 92-96 mph plus fastball has touched 98 mph at times, and he pairs it with a plus mid-80s slider that has depth more than tilt. Ferrell also has a changeup with potential that he doesn't really use in games as a reliever but could become much more important if a team decides to see if he can start. While his up-tempo delivery has some effort, his arm stroke is clean. There are teams who view him as a potential three-pitch starter but more likely he's an effective power reliever with a chance to close.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2015 6:35:29 GMT -5
And sorry to all those who think Benintendi should start in Lowell, but healthy top 10 pick out of the SEC should be going to Greenville or Salem. That's a relative equivalent in competition. Saw a tweet from Chris that said he has two former teammates in Greenville (Beeks and Gunn), so maybe that's where he'll go just for comfort.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jun 9, 2015 6:45:13 GMT -5
Harold Reynolds is a moron. You can see Dan O'Dowd roll his eyes almost everytime he talks. I've seen complaints on him for years on MLB game-of-the week. Why is he still on the air? When he does the on the field demonstration stuff it's actually pretty good. But that's the stuff he doesn't have to prepare for.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 9, 2015 6:45:55 GMT -5
FWIW, they've also never drafted a college hitter this high, and this advanced, from easily the best college conference for baseball. I think you might be right, in that he might go to Lowell for 5-10 games before they decide on Greenville or Salem, but I'd be really disappointed if he spent significant time in Lowell. That would be a slow, bad start to his career. What is he really missing from playing most of the season in Lowell and opening next season in Salem? Yeah, I think folks are probably overstating the difference between Lowell and Greenville. A lot of college guys go to the NYPL ... the average age between the two leagues is pretty similar. Nothing wrong with getting him a season in Lowell, getting used to wood bats and the play-every-day schedule, then starting in Salem next year if he's ready.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2015 6:47:06 GMT -5
What is he really missing from playing most of the season in Lowell and opening next season in Salem? Yeah, I think folks are probably overstating the difference between Lowell and Greenville. A lot of college guys go to the NYPL ... the average age between the two leagues is pretty similar. Nothing wrong with getting him a season in Lowell, getting used to wood bats and the play-every-day schedule, then starting in Salem next year if he's ready. It's probably also more comfortable to start the season with everyone else with other guys in the same boat.
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Post by geostorm on Jun 9, 2015 6:47:49 GMT -5
odds HOU adds to their 2015 take by popping Matuella themselves, at #79...seems they may still have some $ left to be that agressive.
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Post by mannofsteele on Jun 9, 2015 6:49:27 GMT -5
Okay, hoping for in order:
1. Hooper 2. Nix 3. Marshall 4. Matuella 5. Trahan
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Post by boomer on Jun 9, 2015 6:50:51 GMT -5
Why Ferrell (projected as high as the first round by some) might be their guy:
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2015 6:54:40 GMT -5
And sorry to all those who think Benintendi should start in Lowell, but healthy top 10 pick out of the SEC should be going to Greenville or Salem. That's a relative equivalent in competition. I don't think they have ever drafted any college player and sent them to Greenville for their pro debuts the summer they were drafted. Pedroia went straight to Augusta. But the fact that they haven't done that since basically makes your point. And sorry to all those who think Benintendi should start in Lowell, but healthy top 10 pick out of the SEC should be going to Greenville or Salem. That's a relative equivalent in competition. This year has nothing to do with competition level. It has to do with introducing the player to professional baseball. He'll probably split the year between Lowell and Greenville the way guys like Travis did, using the former to make an easier transition than going right to Greenville would. And as pointed out above, he still starts next year in Salem. Looking back, Jacoby Ellsbury, Jed Lowrie, Kolbrin Vitek, Bryce Brentz, Jackie Bradley, Deven Marrero, Brian Johnson, and Pat Light have all gone to Lowell as their first assignment, with Ellsbury, Lowrie, Bradley, Marrero, and Johnson pretty good comps here. I don't think because Benintendi did better in the SEC that makes him that much different than the rest. Remember, in Lowell, he doesn't have to worry about things like living situation, how to get to games, and other off-field situations that he will have to deal with in Greenville once he gets there. As we said on the podcast, it's a pretty good bet that he splits this year between Lowell and Greenville like Sam Travis did last year. ----- As for today, I have a hard time thinking they can go very far overslot. Benintendi's $3,590,400 slot is 55% of the $6,534,990 cap+5% mark. I really don't think he is going to sign for much under slot, if he even does. There is $2,944,590 in the rest of the cap for picks in rounds 3-10 plus overage on the rest of the draft. If the potential overslot pick at 81 wants more than like, $1.5M, I have a really hard time seeing it happen unless they completely punt on 4 or 5 picks today like they did in 2012 to sign Buttrey when they punted on 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10. They'll have to know they're going to save a lot of money on Benintendi, which could happen I guess. I still think the likes of Matuella isn't happening, although I guess losing $742k off the cap wouldn't be a disaster.
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Post by jmei on Jun 9, 2015 6:55:02 GMT -5
But seriously.
Ben-intend-i
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2015 6:56:09 GMT -5
Okay, hoping for in order: 1. Hooper 2. Nix 3. Marshall 4. Matuella 5. Trahan Hooper will attend UCLA.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2015 6:59:19 GMT -5
odds HOU adds to their 2015 take by popping Matuella themselves, at #79...seems they may still have some $ left to be that agressive. Doubt it. They need all their money to sign Cameron. I'd say 5% chance they go for Matuella.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 9, 2015 7:22:43 GMT -5
Rounds 3-10 begin at 1pm ET today.
Draft slots are as follows:
3 (81) $742,400 4 (111) $512,700 5 (141) $384,000 6 (171) $287,500 7 (201) $215,500 8 (231) $175,100 9 (261) $163,500 10 (291) $152,700
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2015 7:27:25 GMT -5
Rounds 3-10 begin at 1pm ET today. Draft slots are as follows: 3 (81) $742,400 4 (111) $512,700 5 (141) $384,000 6 (171) $287,500 7 (201) $215,500 8 (231) $175,100 9 (261) $163,500 10 (291) $152,700 With the draft structure the way it is, the 3rd and 4th round are interesting, after which 5-10 basically nothing happens. 11th and 12th are interesting again.
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