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Post by jmei on Jun 25, 2015 9:27:19 GMT -5
So, Marrero, JBJ and Aro are up. Guessing Pedroia to DL (with Betts at 2b. JBJ in CF?) Catcher (leon) DFA and Marrero now the utility guy pitcher (Ross?) optoined and Aro now up. Of course, as a former SS now uncomfortable in the OF, Hanley at 2B makes sense We won't move Mookie in the middle of the year. Holt to 2b. Shaw can take some ab's from Napoli at first. Kratz is our backup C until Hanigan comes back next week. Marrero backup middle inf. Da'za 4th of. He better start JBJ now. Yeah, it'll most likely be: Pedroia to DL, Holt at 2B Catcher (Leon or Kratz) DFA, Marrero as the IF utility guy Ross optioned or Breslow DFA for Aro The only real question is whether De Aza or Bradley will get most of the starts in RF. ADD: or what the last three people said.
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Post by nomar on Jun 25, 2015 9:28:06 GMT -5
Sucks to lose Pedroia
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 25, 2015 9:28:07 GMT -5
Playing JBJ in right field is kind of ridiculous, so I fully expect John Farrell to do it.
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Post by jmei on Jun 25, 2015 9:32:40 GMT -5
Wow did a paper weight fall on BC's head finally some moves I can live with. I want to see an adjustment to the rotation. There so slow to do that and that holds us hostage. How can they not see we can not establish a friggin winning streak with this rotation. A lot of people are noticing this. Johnson is all done at the AAA level. Joe Kelly has a 4.28 SIERA this year, which is consistent with his career mark (4.25 career SIERA). That's below-average (AL league-average starting pitcher SIERA is 4.01, which you'd bump up a little more to adjust for Fenway's hitter-friendliness), but it's basically what you'd expect from your fifth starter. Maybe Johnson would be a better option, but it's not the slam-dunk case you're suggesting it is.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 25, 2015 9:34:37 GMT -5
That's an understatement... huge hole on a team that came afford any. I fear this will be long-term. Never thought I'd say this, but the team could use Victorino about now.
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Post by jmei on Jun 25, 2015 9:36:13 GMT -5
Playing JBJ in right field is kind of ridiculous, so I fully expect John Farrell to do it. Care to explain? I think it's a perfectly fine move. I don't think Betts CF/Bradley RF is much worse production-wise than Bradley CF/Betts RF, and the couple runs you'd maybe lose are offset by the fact that, since Betts projects to be a first-division starter but is new to CF, you want him getting as many reps in CF as possible; conversely, because Bradley might be a 4th outfielder on a good team, you want him getting reps in the outfield corners.
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Post by jmei on Jun 25, 2015 9:39:09 GMT -5
That's an understatement... huge hole on a team that came afford any. I fear this will be long-term. Never thought I'd say this, but the team could use Victorino about now. It's likely that he's DL-bound, but I don't think it's 100% guaranteed. If he's just day-to-day but out for sure for the next couple days, they might bring up Marrero and option Shaw so they have a backup middle infielder on the bench.
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Post by notguilty on Jun 25, 2015 9:42:15 GMT -5
Not for nothing but Ross Jr and Breslow take up space. Farrell forgets about them and once in a while he throws them in for work. Why keep these guys up here. None gonna claim Breslow anyway. Ross can go down. I am trying to keep calm but even the respected reporters and columnists are wondering about these moves and why don't don't give certain people a chance and why are others left alone. I mean it is not just us anymore. They keep complaining about Kelly more than we do. I can give five moves they can make and it does not involve trades. Hamels got blasted last night. Our Lowell team and Gcl team might be on to something. I don't want to jinx them. But Lowell always struggles and it's nice to see them storm out of the gate. To me, this is one of the big reasons why this team is in last place. They've been keeping a bunch of guys who are not really contributing anything, or playing them for too long, out of veteran respect, deep depth or whatever other reason - (unless of course they're rookies or Cubans, then Farrell really has no patience for under-performance). Hopefully these moves (along with Napoli sitting, etc.) mean that it's really now going to be performance first. Let's hope it's not too late.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 25, 2015 9:49:49 GMT -5
Wow did a paper weight fall on BC's head finally some moves I can live with. I want to see an adjustment to the rotation. There so slow to do that and that holds us hostage. How can they not see we can not establish a friggin winning streak with this rotation. A lot of people are noticing this. Johnson is all done at the AAA level. Joe Kelly has a 4.28 SIERA this year, which is consistent with his career mark (4.25 career SIERA). That's below-average (AL league-average starting pitcher SIERA is 4.01, which you'd bump up a little more to adjust for Fenway's hitter-friendliness), but it's basically what you'd expect from your fifth starter. Maybe Johnson would be a better option, but it's not the slam-dunk case you're suggesting it is. It's pretty certain that Kelly is not one of the "five aces". He appears to be trying to gain command (movement?) by throttling down his FB with mixed results. It is somewhat puzzling that a guy who can throw 99 can't get more swing and miss. Perhaps the batters just sit on the FB. Imagine if he had a split that he could control? Johnson will surely get a chance sooner or later and it will be very interesting to see if his stuff translates.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 25, 2015 9:50:11 GMT -5
If Jackie Bradley doesn't start against every RHP they face then send him back down. Farrell buried him last time. And I agree with mgoetze - he should be starting in CF. If Farrell is afraid to put Mookie in RF then put him in left.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 25, 2015 9:54:15 GMT -5
“@sean_McAdam: Fact that Masterson not listed as reliever on lineup card suggests that he will take Kelly’s spot in rotation”
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Post by jmei on Jun 25, 2015 9:56:02 GMT -5
“@sean_McAdam: Fact that Masterson not listed as reliever on lineup card suggests that he will take Kelly’s spot in rotation” One step forward, two steps back.
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Post by ethanbein on Jun 25, 2015 9:57:55 GMT -5
“@sean_McAdam: Fact that Masterson not listed as reliever on lineup card suggests that he will take Kelly’s spot in rotation” So Castillo has to play in the minors because they're still going for it this year, but Masterson is starting over Kelly? What? (Or, Masterson got DFA'd?)
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Post by rafael on Jun 25, 2015 9:59:59 GMT -5
Kelly to AAA and Masterson to the starting rotation is a horrible move.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 25, 2015 10:06:43 GMT -5
“@scottlauber: Sounds like Pedroia not as lucky. Hanley on Pedroia: ”We’re going to miss that guy for a little bit of time“ #RedSox”
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Post by ianrs on Jun 25, 2015 10:07:29 GMT -5
“@sean_McAdam: Fact that Masterson not listed as reliever on lineup card suggests that he will take Kelly’s spot in rotationo” This has to be a joke. Am I having a nightmare?!?! If true, I refuse to watch this team when Masterson starts. Hopefully its a DFA. It is only McAdams Twitter feed.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 25, 2015 10:07:26 GMT -5
“@sean_McAdam: Fact that Masterson not listed as reliever on lineup card suggests that he will take Kelly’s spot in rotation” One step forward, two steps back. Only two? I thought you said earlier you respected math.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 25, 2015 10:10:07 GMT -5
“@sean_McAdam: Fact that Masterson not listed as reliever on lineup card suggests that he will take Kelly’s spot in rotation” I thought this FO understands what sunk cost means!!
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Post by notguilty on Jun 25, 2015 10:10:21 GMT -5
If Jackie Bradley doesn't start against every RHP they face then send him back down. Farrell buried him last time. And I agree with mgoetze - he should be starting in CF. If Farrell is afraid to put Mookie in RF then put him in left. I agree with this too. He's your best defensive CF, CF is a critical position, start him in CF rather than going for the suboptimal alignment because you don't want to disrupt Mookie. And he probably will not be playing every day anyway, so Mookie would get back his spot. The marginal defensive loss from having Mookie in RF/LF is more than made up by JBJ's defense in CF. Enough messing around, just play guys where they give you their best performance.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 25, 2015 10:10:39 GMT -5
“@timbritton: You guys probably won’t like this, but Masterson is the likely starter Sunday. Johnson wouldn’t go on three days. t.co/JWE6cGtJtp”
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 25, 2015 10:14:18 GMT -5
“@sean_McAdam: Fact that Masterson not listed as reliever on lineup card suggests that he will take Kelly’s spot in rotation” I thought this FO understands what sunk cost means!! Has nothing to do with sunk costs. Has to do with them incorrectly thinking this is the better option over Johnson.
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Post by notguilty on Jun 25, 2015 10:14:34 GMT -5
One step forward, two steps back. Only two? I thought you said earlier you respected math. Yeah, this is like five steps back. This is all "veteran respect", "good guy" stuff. So what will happen is Masterson will be up there until he stinks up the joint, so they can tell him, "see, you can't do it" and replace him with the better alternatives. In the meantime, we lose another game or two at the time we have to go for all the games. Just terrible.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 25, 2015 10:15:21 GMT -5
I thought this FO understands what sunk cost means!! Has nothing to do with sunk costs. Has to do with them incorrectly thinking this is the better option over Johnson. See above post. Would be on three days rest
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Post by jmei on Jun 25, 2015 10:19:37 GMT -5
And he probably will not be playing every day anyway, so Mookie would get back his spot. This cuts the other way. If Bradley is not going to be starting every day, it makes more sense to keep Betts in CF rather than moving him back and forth between two positions. If Bradley is not playing every day, you're losing less in terms of on-field performance, but there's the same negative effects of moving Betts back and forth across two positions when you really want him to consolidate his gains in CF.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 25, 2015 10:21:47 GMT -5
That's just a terrible front office move. I typically have faith in the FO, but the past two years have given me pause. Trading RDLR, jerking around JBJ and Rusneys development, the Lackey trade, Drew stunting Xander's development, Breslow/Ross being on the team, now Masterson a terrible signing and STILL somehow given a shot.
These types of moves have been occurring more often the past two years, even though there have been good things too. Even if it's a spot start, its one too many chances for Masterson. He could barely get AA hitters out. Give it to Wright or Kelly.
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