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7/17-7/20 Red Sox @ Angels Series Thread
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Post by larrycook on Jul 19, 2015 14:47:50 GMT -5
Taking my homer glasses off for a moment, it would be pretty interesting to see Holt traded just because I have no idea what he's worth. If you trade him to a team that plans to start him (at 2B, for instance) then you're trading a solid, cost-controlled starting second baseman. That's fairly easy to quantify (and would bring a nice return I'd think, if we chose to go that route). But does his excellent versatility demand a premium from a buyer, even if said buyer doesn't really intend to leverage it? I don't know how to evaluate that in terms of player trade value. So Holt would make a very interesting case study if he were to be traded. I think we could get a decent pitching prospect from a contender in need of a second baseman for holt. We could probably get a better pitching prospect from a contender in need a second baseman if bc could get Pedroia to waive his no trade clause. I know a lot of guys here are die hard Pedroia fans, but we seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup. |
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Post by rafael on Jul 19, 2015 14:52:15 GMT -5
I think it would be a good idea to trade Uehara for a quality prospect, quite like the Miller trade last year and at the same time trading for another quality reliever by using our spare parts (Cecchini, Marrero, etc.). I think it's unlikely that it would happen, but it's a possibility.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 19, 2015 14:55:34 GMT -5
Taking my homer glasses off for a moment, it would be pretty interesting to see Holt traded just because I have no idea what he's worth. If you trade him to a team that plans to start him (at 2B, for instance) then you're trading a solid, cost-controlled starting second baseman. That's fairly easy to quantify (and would bring a nice return I'd think, if we chose to go that route). But does his excellent versatility demand a premium from a buyer, even if said buyer doesn't really intend to leverage it? I don't know how to evaluate that in terms of player trade value. So Holt would make a very interesting case study if he were to be traded. I think we could get a decent pitching prospect from a contender in need of a second baseman for holt. We could probably get a better pitching prospect from a contender in need a second baseman if bc could get Pedroia to waive his no trade clause. I know a lot of guys here are die hard Pedroia fans, but we seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup. Not sure why you are down on Pedroia. He is having a good year. Not sure what the record is when he doesn't play, but it means nothing. He is way above average with the bat and glove at 2b. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 19, 2015 14:56:36 GMT -5
Taking my homer glasses off for a moment, it would be pretty interesting to see Holt traded just because I have no idea what he's worth. If you trade him to a team that plans to start him (at 2B, for instance) then you're trading a solid, cost-controlled starting second baseman. That's fairly easy to quantify (and would bring a nice return I'd think, if we chose to go that route). But does his excellent versatility demand a premium from a buyer, even if said buyer doesn't really intend to leverage it? I don't know how to evaluate that in terms of player trade value. So Holt would make a very interesting case study if he were to be traded. I think we could get a decent pitching prospect from a contender in need of a second baseman for holt. We could probably get a better pitching prospect from a contender in need a second baseman if bc could get Pedroia to waive his no trade clause. I know a lot of guys here are die hard Pedroia fans, but we seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup. "We seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup"...is one of the stupidest and most ridiculous statements I've read. But then again, not surprising coming from Mr. Preseason BA with RISP. |
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2015 15:03:31 GMT -5
“@therickydoyle: #RedSox 7/19 at LAA: Betts CF, Pedroia 2B, Bogaerts SS, Ortiz DH, Ramirez LF, Sandoval 3B, Napoli 1B, Victorino RF, Hanigan C, Rodriguez LHP”
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Post by larrycook on Jul 19, 2015 15:12:57 GMT -5
I think we could get a decent pitching prospect from a contender in need of a second baseman for holt. We could probably get a better pitching prospect from a contender in need a second baseman if bc could get Pedroia to waive his no trade clause. I know a lot of guys here are die hard Pedroia fans, but we seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup. Not sure why you are down on Pedroia. He is having a good year. Not sure what the record is when he doesn't play, but it means nothing. He is way above average with the bat and glove at 2b. This is exactly why he would be very valuable to a contender. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 19, 2015 15:22:21 GMT -5
I don't care who's pitching for the opponent. Napoli and Victorino shouldn't be getting this my playing time.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 19, 2015 15:25:31 GMT -5
Taking my homer glasses off for a moment, it would be pretty interesting to see Holt traded just because I have no idea what he's worth. If you trade him to a team that plans to start him (at 2B, for instance) then you're trading a solid, cost-controlled starting second baseman. That's fairly easy to quantify (and would bring a nice return I'd think, if we chose to go that route). But does his excellent versatility demand a premium from a buyer, even if said buyer doesn't really intend to leverage it? I don't know how to evaluate that in terms of player trade value. So Holt would make a very interesting case study if he were to be traded. I think we could get a decent pitching prospect from a contender in need of a second baseman for holt. We could probably get a better pitching prospect from a contender in need a second baseman if bc could get Pedroia to waive his no trade clause. I know a lot of guys here are die hard Pedroia fans, but we seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup. Yes, Pedroia's .360ish OBP and .800ish OPS, and great defense, and excellent attitude really brings the team down. It depresses them so much, they cannot possibly concentrate and win ballgames. Get rid of this scoundrel immediately. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 19, 2015 15:32:53 GMT -5
Not sure why you are down on Pedroia. He is having a good year. Not sure what the record is when he doesn't play, but it means nothing. He is way above average with the bat and glove at 2b. This is exactly why he would be very valuable to a contender. Right. But it also gives no credence to what you inferred with your other comment ("… we seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup …") If you're not suggesting a correlation, why mention it? If you are suggesting a correlation, what is it? |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 19, 2015 15:39:17 GMT -5
Hamels out after three innings Whew, whew....and whew!! |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2015 15:57:01 GMT -5
Koji can win a Championship all by himself when he's on. I believe the 9 million would not even come into play.. He isn't his 2013 version of himself and never will be. The $9 million at age 42 certainly comes into play. He's declining - he is aging gracefully, but he is declining and is not the guy he was in 2013, and I doubt any team thinks he is. He's still one of the best relief pitchers in baseball. No one is the 2013 version of him. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2015 16:01:45 GMT -5
Taking my homer glasses off for a moment, it would be pretty interesting to see Holt traded just because I have no idea what he's worth. If you trade him to a team that plans to start him (at 2B, for instance) then you're trading a solid, cost-controlled starting second baseman. That's fairly easy to quantify (and would bring a nice return I'd think, if we chose to go that route). But does his excellent versatility demand a premium from a buyer, even if said buyer doesn't really intend to leverage it? I don't know how to evaluate that in terms of player trade value. So Holt would make a very interesting case study if he were to be traded. I think we could get a decent pitching prospect from a contender in need of a second baseman for holt. We could probably get a better pitching prospect from a contender in need a second baseman if bc could get Pedroia to waive his no trade clause. I know a lot of guys here are die hard Pedroia fans, but we seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup. That's insane. Maybe they should get rid of the other 3 players who are better than him then and replace them with worse players who play better when Pedroia is out of the lineup. |
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Post by 07redsox on Jul 19, 2015 16:21:31 GMT -5
I think we could get a decent pitching prospect from a contender in need of a second baseman for holt. We could probably get a better pitching prospect from a contender in need a second baseman if bc could get Pedroia to waive his no trade clause. I know a lot of guys here are die hard Pedroia fans, but we seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup. "We seem to play better as a team when he is out of the lineup"...is one of the stupidest and most ridiculous statements I've read. But then again, not surprising coming from Mr. Preseason BA with RISP. And, I believe, the second time he has said the same exact thing. If it wasn't him then it was someone else, but I know I read literally the same exact thing almost word for word right after Pedroia went on the DL... |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 19, 2015 16:47:58 GMT -5
He isn't his 2013 version of himself and never will be. The $9 million at age 42 certainly comes into play. He's declining - he is aging gracefully, but he is declining and is not the guy he was in 2013, and I doubt any team thinks he is. He's still one of the best relief pitchers in baseball. No one is the 2013 version of him. True, but it doesn't change the risk factor that he has to extremely perfect pinpoint command to succeed. And it's a risk of $9 million for a 42 year old pitcher in 2016, who if his command wavers, becomes very, very hittable. |
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2015 17:39:22 GMT -5
we are SUPER serious about CH
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2015 17:39:57 GMT -5
Red Sox blog: Red Sox VP Allard Baird in Philadelphia, sees lefty Cole Hamels es.pn/1fWduJV |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2015 17:49:33 GMT -5
we are SUPER serious about CH Please. I've heard it for almost two years now. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 19, 2015 18:03:29 GMT -5
we are SUPER serious about CH Is SUPER serious more serious than REALLY serious? |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 19, 2015 18:05:01 GMT -5
Red Sox blog: Red Sox VP Allard Baird in Philadelphia, sees lefty Cole Hamels es.pn/1fWduJV Oh goodie. Allard Baird is heavily involved in the scouting. That instills me with a ton of confidence. |
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Post by klostrophobic on Jul 19, 2015 18:14:46 GMT -5
I don't care who's pitching for the opponent. Napoli and Victorino shouldn't be getting this my playing time. I'll let Napoli have this series against the Angels but if he doesn't hit like 5 homeruns tonight he should be DFA'd. He better not go 1-4 with a homer and get more leeway. And Victorino should be starting against all lefties when he's not on the DL. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 19, 2015 18:45:47 GMT -5
I don't care who's pitching for the opponent. Napoli and Victorino shouldn't be getting this my playing time. I'll let Napoli have this series against the Angels but if he doesn't hit like 5 homeruns tonight he should be DFA'd. He better not go 1-4 with a homer and get more leeway. And Victorino should be starting against all lefties when he's not on the DL.[/quote] I agree with this. I think many forget how good he is when healthy. The production from rf has been awful. JBJ hit 2 hr's in the same game for the paw sox. If he had hit a third he' d match the total production for the year in the bigs. Victorino also plays d well and runs the bases well. Rusney is in AAA at 28 because he thinks the cut off man is the local barber. |
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Post by libertine on Jul 19, 2015 18:49:56 GMT -5
we are SUPER serious about CH Can he also play 1B and give us 20-30 HR a year? Because right now, as this series underscores (no pun intended), our problems are much deeper than just SP. I am cringing thinking about what we will have to give up for him. And I am not sold on, no matter what the numbers say, how well he will pitch in Fenway. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 19, 2015 18:56:14 GMT -5
we are SUPER serious about CH Can he also play 1B and give us 20-30 HR a year? Because right now, as this series underscores (no pun intended), our problems are much deeper than just SP. I am cringing thinking about what we will have to give up for him. And I am not sold on, no matter what the numbers say, how well he will pitch in Fenway. With Buchholz hurt, two game slumps aside, starting pitching is easily our biggest need. |
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Post by libertine on Jul 19, 2015 19:05:51 GMT -5
Can he also play 1B and give us 20-30 HR a year? Because right now, as this series underscores (no pun intended), our problems are much deeper than just SP. I am cringing thinking about what we will have to give up for him. And I am not sold on, no matter what the numbers say, how well he will pitch in Fenway. With Buchholz hurt, two game slumps aside, starting pitching is easily our biggest need. Our lack of production, especially from our corner infielders, has been a season long issue not a 2 game mini slump. Yes, losing Clay was a big blow but I am not sure that this season isn't already a lost cause and therefore we should just wait to pick up a SP free agent in the offseason without having to give up multiple top prospects for Hamels. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 19, 2015 19:06:25 GMT -5
First rain delay in 4 years at the Angels park. Welcome to Red Sox baseball 2015. First pitch expected at 9.15 at best.,Boston time. Bless your heart if you see this game in whole.
They just showed a live shot. This game won't start at 9.15.
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