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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 23, 2015 16:11:58 GMT -5
So dumb we didn't trade Koji last year or Tazawa this year. Right. Because we could have traded Koji to ______ for ________, and Taz to ___________ for _________ — both of whom would've helped this team, and subsequent teams, far more.
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Post by nomar on Aug 23, 2015 16:12:45 GMT -5
Yeah don't pinch hit for Rutledge. He hit a home run off Cueto!
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 23, 2015 16:12:54 GMT -5
D'Aza hurt? Seems like that would've been a good spot for him to PH.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 23, 2015 16:14:33 GMT -5
Designate Tazawa for assignment, every big game he blows it.. Was that julian tavarez pitching?? AWFUL! Is this a joke? This isn't a big game.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 23, 2015 16:18:25 GMT -5
Designate Tazawa for assignment, every big game he blows it.. Was that julian tavarez pitching?? AWFUL! Is this a joke? This isn't a big game.But weren't we ONLY 7 1/2 behind the 2nd WC?
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 23, 2015 16:23:58 GMT -5
JBJ is going to be an All-Star next season. LF CF or RF? Yes. On Taz, guy should be given a break. He's been over used for years.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 23, 2015 16:36:36 GMT -5
And he was just being respectful to his elder, Koji-sama.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 23, 2015 18:18:59 GMT -5
So dumb we didn't trade Koji last year or Tazawa this year. Right. Because we could have traded Koji to ______ for ________, and Taz to ___________ for _________ — both of whom would've helped this team, and subsequent teams, far more. Numerous teams were in on Koji and willing to give up prospects for him in 2014. A bunch asked about Taz this year and in both instances they were off limits.
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Post by danr on Aug 23, 2015 18:32:19 GMT -5
Taz was worn out in the first half of the season. His stuff now is nothing to compare with what it was. He shouldn't be the closer. They should have gotten another decent arm by now. The bullpen is a wreck, and it's been obvious that it was bad for most of the season. Cherington screwed up the pitching staff all around.
I suspect since Dombrowski took a lot of heat for not having a better BP in Detroit, that it will be something he works on with the Sox.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 23, 2015 21:46:18 GMT -5
Taz was worn out in the first half of the season. His stuff now is nothing to compare with what it was. He shouldn't be the closer. They should have gotten another decent arm by now. The bullpen is a wreck, and it's been obvious that it was bad for most of the season. Cherington screwed up the pitching staff all around. I suspect since Dombrowski took a lot of heat for not having a better BP in Detroit, that it will be something he works on with the Sox. An interesting perspective. It's appeared to me that the Sox over the last decade+ have built their bullpen largely by the "throw spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks" method (as opposed to a more intentional method of targeting specific players for specific bullpen roles). Can anyone say whether Dombrowski took much the same approach where he has been previously? If he did, do we really know, if criticism of his bullpen was warranted, that he thinks he needs a change of approach, rather than simply chalking up bullpen problems to bad luck? Especially since bullpen building seems to be largely a crapshoot because of the variability in performance of many bullpen pitchers over the years. I'm saying this out of true ignorance. I don't know what his bullpen-building philosophy is, and I have no idea what motivation if any he might have to change it now that he is here. In the Dombrowski thread a common attitude seems to be "he is what he is, and you know what you're going to get" (with a number of people seemingly upset about what we're going to get).
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Post by larrycook on Aug 23, 2015 22:28:06 GMT -5
Is there any way we can have swihart catch every game Rodriguez throws for the rest of 2015?
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Post by gerry on Aug 24, 2015 0:39:37 GMT -5
Or is there any way our coaches will pull a pitcher having an off-night before he gets beaten up for 4 runs in an inning? Farrell always got blamed for this, but maybe his failure was listenimg to the advice of his coaches? Strange game, sad loss.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 24, 2015 1:31:23 GMT -5
Oh my goodness. What did JBJ do? He thought a fly ball was hitting the monster, but it landed on the warning track. Infante went for an inside the park HR down by 2 like a moron, and JBJ gunned him down. Like his diving catch the other night after he got a bad read on the ball in LF - even his bad plays are great plays. So does JBJ get dinged on misplaying that and then credit for the ridiculous throw on the same play? What is the overall DRS? As was pointed out, the ball hit the bevel on the top of the scoreboard and bounced way up and over his head. He was well-positioned to field it had it missed the bevel and scraped off the scoreboard. No misplay at all.
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Post by gerry on Aug 24, 2015 1:49:48 GMT -5
4th time in LF, in rain, fog, wind and he turns a fluke into an awesome 7-1 at home plate. We come to praise JBJ, not ding him.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 24, 2015 5:56:50 GMT -5
He thought a fly ball was hitting the monster, but it landed on the warning track. Infante went for an inside the park HR down by 2 like a moron, and JBJ gunned him down. Like his diving catch the other night after he got a bad read on the ball in LF - even his bad plays are great plays. So does JBJ get dinged on misplaying that and then credit for the ridiculous throw on the same play? What is the overall DRS? As was pointed out, the ball hit the bevel on the top of the scoreboard and bounced way up and over his head. He was well-positioned to field it had it missed the bevel and scraped off the scoreboard. No misplay at all. The ball hit the warning track first and then the bevel. Check around 3 minutes on this video to see it clearly. m.mlb.com/video/v403337583/kcbos-bradley-jrs-assist-at-home-confirmed-in-9th/?game_pk=415498
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 24, 2015 6:42:08 GMT -5
OK maybe we need to replace the entire bullpen. What a major task this will be.......Three BP guys and two starters?
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Post by nomar on Aug 24, 2015 7:03:23 GMT -5
Aro should close (not really but probably wouldn't hurt at this point)
Hembree's stuff hasn't looked too bad.
Hopefully these two get some innings going forward. Let's see what they have.
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 24, 2015 7:43:21 GMT -5
Taz going for the head-scratching box score one of 1 IP: 4H 0R Can't believe Tazawa was kept in the whole inning. Since when was he Dennis Eckersly in that he can't be lifted? Who lets a two bit reliever allow 4 runs & 6 hits in ONE inning?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 24, 2015 10:59:11 GMT -5
OK maybe we need to replace the entire bullpen. What a major task this will be.......Three BP guys and two starters? I've written this before. Relief pitching has the greatest year-to-year performance variation of any commodity in baseball. That's exactly what makes peripherals so important. If you know what you're doing you can pick up someone like a Badenhop or Layne for pennies on the dollar. That doesn't fill all your needs, of course, but it gets you down the road. The price for those relievers has been going up, but that doesn't change the dynamic of those acquisitions at all. The issue for the Sox is the starters, getting the right staff and keeping them healthy. Getting relievers in place pales in comparison. We're also getting mixed messages here. There's angst about completely rebuilding the bullpen, and annoyance that Tazawa and Uehara - who was still very effective till he took one of his arm - weren't traded. Which is it?
Taz going for the head-scratching box score one of 1 IP: 4H 0R Can't believe Tazawa was kept in the whole inning. Since when was he Dennis Eckersly in that he can't be lifted? Who lets a two bit reliever allow 4 runs & 6 hits in ONE inning? OK... tell us who you would have brought in?
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Post by p23w on Aug 24, 2015 12:18:28 GMT -5
OK maybe we need to replace the entire bullpen. What a major task this will be.......Three BP guys and two starters? I've written this before. Relief pitching has the greatest year-to-year performance variation of any commodity in baseball. That's exactly what makes peripherals so important. If you know what you're doing you can pick up someone like a Badenhop or Layne for pennies on the dollar. That doesn't fill all your needs, of course, but it gets you down the road. The price for those relievers has been going up, but that doesn't change the dynamic of those acquisitions at all. Disagree with your premise. Good bullpens can be built and sustained. Recent examples include NYG, KC and most recently the NYY.
The issue for the Sox is the starters, getting the right staff and keeping them healthy. Getting relievers in place pales in comparison. We're also getting mixed messages here. There's angst about completely rebuilding the bullpen, and annoyance that Tazawa and Uehara - who was still very effective till he took one of his arm - weren't traded. Which is it? If anything the failure of the 2015 bullpen began in the off season. NOT signing Miller, KEEPING Breslow on the roster were front office mistakes, IMHO As for starters.... letting your innings eater walk was confounding. Cherrington appeared to go "frugal" with known proven commodities while spending freely for unproven Cubans. [/b [hr
Can't believe Tazawa was kept in the whole inning. Since when was he Dennis Eckersly in that he can't be lifted? Who lets a two bit reliever allow 4 runs & 6 hits in ONE inning? OK... tell us who you would have brought in?
Robbie Ross. Tazawa had zip. zilch. That was obvious. [/b
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 24, 2015 15:36:15 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the one guy they probably could have brought in, and it was Moustakas a left-handed hitter who did a lot of the damage. They may be auditioning Tazawa for the closer's role. I suppose that might make it hard to just yank him since the season's not exactly on the line.
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Post by raindelay on Aug 24, 2015 16:15:52 GMT -5
I shouldn't take these meaningless games so seriously. I've been trying to figure out yesterday's 9th inning all day . Anyway, the score is 6-4 in 8th inning. Layne has 2 outs nobody on. Lovullo pulls him for Machi who throws one pitch to get out of the inning. Total waste of a relief pitcher. Even if Machi gives up a homer, it's still 6-5. Then comes the Taz implosion in 9th and Lovullo has no one warming up except Ross way too late to help . Taz a complete disaster yesterday and Lovullo managing like he has nobody else, when he just wasted the pitcher he needed in the 8th. Is this called tanking?
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Post by jmei on Aug 24, 2015 16:24:11 GMT -5
Eh, I understand having noone warming behind your closer. You want him to feel like you have faith in him, and at this point in the season, that might be more important than their W/L record.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 24, 2015 19:18:20 GMT -5
Right. Because we could have traded Koji to ______ for ________, and Taz to ___________ for _________ — both of whom would've helped this team, and subsequent teams, far more. Numerous teams were in on Koji and willing to give up prospects for him in 2014. A bunch asked about Taz this year and in both instances they were off limits. So you've got nothing then?
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