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Post by jmei on Dec 2, 2015 10:55:39 GMT -5
I agree that they're trying to clear up the 40-man in the interim, but I don't have major qualms about losing Mendez and Coyle (who are the next two on my chopping block), so I'd be surprised if they rescheduled a press conference just to give themselves a little extra time to trade those guys (or trade other guys to keep those guys on the 40-man). Well they didn't reschedule it, but they're clearly not in a rush either. Chris Young apparently agreed days ago and they're in no rush to get him official either. Yeah, the Red Sox (and most teams) are happy to delay the official signing date to give them time to explore alternative options. But I'm pretty sure he has to be officially signed before the press conference, and my point was just that I'm skeptical that they'd reschedule the press conference to avoid/delay having to DFA Coyle or Mendez. I also think they'd officially announce Young at the same time as Price, no? In which case they'll need to clear two spots before Friday.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2015 10:56:22 GMT -5
And just like that, Mendez DFA for Young.
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Post by jmei on Dec 2, 2015 11:03:02 GMT -5
My rank order of 40-man candidates is probably as follows (assuming Margot, Hernandez and Light are locks): Craig Leon--------- Cook Ogando [MLBTR projects him to cost $2.4m in arb next year, which is non-trivial money] Mendez RutledgeCoyle Brentz --------- [Jerez]Escobar Machi VarvaroCecchini Workman Updating my earlier list. Most vulnerable names remaining are Coyle, Brentz, Escobar, and Cecchini. They need to clear one spot for Price, but other than that, they don't have too many more additions to make (and if they do make any more additions, they may make subtractions elsewhere on the 40-man).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2015 11:09:07 GMT -5
Does Escobar clear waivers? Of the four you list, he feels like the one you'd most want to remove given his lack of options remaining. I don't think it's a loyalty to the homegrown guys that makes me think that. I think he (because of options) and Coyle are next up, with a bit of distance before Brentz and Cecchini. I probably value Brentz most of that group.
Workman, to me, seems worth keeping around because he immediately goes on the 60-day DL once a spot's needed and that's available.
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Post by jmei on Dec 2, 2015 11:12:52 GMT -5
Does Escobar clear waivers? Of the four you list, he feels like the one you'd most want to remove given his lack of options remaining. I don't think it's a loyalty to the homegrown guys that makes me think that. I think he (because of options) and Coyle are next up, with a bit of distance before Brentz and Cecchini. I probably value Brentz most of that group. Workman, to me, seems worth keeping around because he immediately goes on the 60-day DL once a spot's needed and that's available. That makes sense. I think I'm just really high on Escobar-- I think there's a decent chance he sticks in the major-league bullpen this Spring Training and is a solid-to-better reliever, which is why I'd rather risk losing Coyle.
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 2, 2015 13:43:16 GMT -5
Coyle's got nowhere to hide now. He'll fit in nicely with the A's however.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 2, 2015 13:46:34 GMT -5
Coyle's got nowhere to hide now. He'll fit in nicely with the A's however. I think he'll end up as the bad version of Dan Uggla.
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 2, 2015 14:00:44 GMT -5
I don't think gets much more than a cup of coffee in the majors. I don't think he can make enough contact.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Dec 2, 2015 16:20:06 GMT -5
I don't think gets much more than a cup of coffee in the majors. I don't think he can make enough contact. That...and he can't seem to see much of the field. Injury concerns all the time.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 4, 2015 16:13:28 GMT -5
“@brianmacp: David Price signing official. Garin Cecchini DFA’ed.”
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Post by bigpupp on Dec 4, 2015 16:27:33 GMT -5
Really surprised they kept Coyle over Cecchini.
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Post by thursty on Dec 4, 2015 16:28:48 GMT -5
I bet one could find some Cecchini posts here that look mighty embarrassing in retrospect
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 4, 2015 16:49:56 GMT -5
I bet one could find some Cecchini posts here that look mighty embarrassing in retrospect Like this one? Your predictions: Top prospect in the system, mid-June, 2014 forum.soxprospects.com/post/53516Oops.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 4, 2015 16:50:34 GMT -5
I bet one could find some Cecchini posts here that look mighty embarrassing in retrospect I hate to admit it, but I plead very guilty to that. It's like his hit tool turned to absolute mush. It's too bad. I still would have DFA Escobar instead as I doubt he'll even be a serviceable lefty out of the pen, but I can understand if others feel that Cecchini should have been the one to go and that Escobar was worth keeping.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Dec 4, 2015 16:53:34 GMT -5
Really surprised they kept Coyle over Cecchini. Cecchini going into final option year ... 1-year older than Coyle .... what's Garin's major league defensive talent?
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Post by thursty on Dec 4, 2015 16:59:12 GMT -5
I bet one could find some Cecchini posts here that look mighty embarrassing in retrospect Like this one? Your predictions: Top prospect in the system, mid-June, 2014 forum.soxprospects.com/post/53516Oops. Once again, you're confused. Oops indeed
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Post by jmei on Dec 4, 2015 16:59:38 GMT -5
I bet one could find some Cecchini posts here that look mighty embarrassing in retrospect This got me curious and I took a quick look at the old Cecchini thread. This one's good: ...this one's fun: ...but this one's my favorite:
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Post by juanpena on Dec 4, 2015 17:06:40 GMT -5
I bet one could find some Cecchini posts here that look mighty embarrassing in retrospect This got me curious and I took a quick look at the old Cecchini thread. This one's good: ...this one's fun: ...but this one's my favorite: Probably the dumbest thing written here is that Bradley's defense is better than it looks.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 4, 2015 17:07:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw him several times in AA and loved him - thought he would be a low power .370 OBP guy. Selectivity, pitch recognition and contact on swing were all excellent.
All of which is why, when we drool over someone in A ball (or even AA or AAA) we have to remember that the success rate is very, very low for these guys.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 4, 2015 17:11:44 GMT -5
In fairness to Cecchini and the posters who were once in love, his dropoff is really somewhat unexplainable based on what we knew. With guys like MIddlebrooks and Lavarnway, there were always some signs that things might not pan at the major league level. I don't think anyone saw Cecchini's inability to hit a baseball coming. I do wonder if there have been chronic health problems underlying all of this.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 4, 2015 17:13:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw him several times in AA and loved him - thought he would be a low power .370 OBP guy. Selectivity, pitch recognition and contact on swing were all excellent. All of which is why, when we drool over someone in A ball (or even AA or AAA) we have to remember that the success rate is very, very low for these guys. It's simply about recognizing flaws and accepting that it's okay to value a prospect but to also be leary about his deficiencies. We see tons of no power high obp guys exposed in the upper minors when pitchers aren't afraid of being taken out of the park. Factor in Cecchini's awful defense, and well, you can understand the DFA.
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Post by gerry on Dec 4, 2015 18:09:05 GMT -5
I wonder will he be back in Pawtucket finally restoring his OBP or will he be getting a change of scenery? What happened to him in AAA? Is he a cautionary tale about prospects?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 4, 2015 23:47:15 GMT -5
I'll say he makes it through.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 5, 2015 0:44:26 GMT -5
This got me curious and I took a quick look at the old Cecchini thread. This one's good: ...this one's fun: ...but this one's my favorite: Probably the dumbest thing written here is that Bradley's defense is better than it looks. You mean is (might be) not as good as it looks. That was said (by me) before I or most anyone else had seen him play an inning. It was based on skepticism that anyone could be a plus-plus defender while having only average speed. And it does seem to be a bit true; he seems to be about a +12 or +15 defender, but folks talk about him as if he's rivalling Kiermaier, because he gets great jumps and runs perfect routes and hence looks great. I'm not sure that my assertion that Cecchini had a 90% chance to be a good MLB player was quite as stupid as it sounds now. The sort of complete collapse he had, given his low-minors success and the scouting reports, is very unusual. It happens ... about 10% of the time. If he was still showing any kind of promise, the jury would probably still be out at least a bit.
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Post by deepjohn on Dec 5, 2015 1:46:45 GMT -5
Probably the dumbest thing written here is that Bradley's defense is better than it looks. You mean is (might be) not as good as it looks. That was said (by me) before I or most anyone else had seen him play an inning. It was based on skepticism that anyone could be a plus-plus defender while having only average speed. And it does seem to be a bit true; he seems to be about a +12 or +15 defender, but folks talk about him as if he's rivalling Kiermaier, because he gets great jumps and runs perfect routes and hence looks great. I'm not sure that my assertion that Cecchini had a 90% chance to be a good MLB player was quite as stupid as it sounds now. The sort of complete collapse he had, given his low-minors success and the scouting reports, is very unusual. It happens ... about 10% of the time. If he was still showing any kind of promise, the jury would probably still be out at least a bit. Cecchini may have been a victim of the "new" strike zone, and the pitcher's greater ability to throw first pitch strikes with this zone, and to strike out a patient batter trying to work a walk. www.overthemonster.com/2015/6/5/8735535/red-sox-prospects-ty-buttrey-garin-cecchini
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