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Post by notguilty on Feb 21, 2016 17:24:44 GMT -5
Man, way to kick off Spring training. And to say that I was looking forward to it.
That Sandoval picture looks unbelievable. Just ridiculous.
And Farrell. Oh my. We'll have to see, but based on his history and what he's saying, I just shudder. He's going to mess up that whole outfield situation, and I'm now not sure he can hold Hanley and Sandoval accountable.
This team can't get off to a terrible start again - yet it's like the stars are aligning just to make that happen.
The tone on the airwaves has been awful. All Sandoval/Hanley all day on the radio. Even the Baseball Show on Comcast, which is often OK was depressingly negative from the very start. At this rate, this is going to be a long season.
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 21, 2016 19:06:21 GMT -5
OMG. What a drama. It's amusing how upset people are already.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Feb 21, 2016 19:41:47 GMT -5
OMG. What a drama. It's amusing how upset people are already. It hasn't been a good weekend for Sox fans. Hanley shows up without a glove, then leaves. Pablo is looking just as big as ever and will probably have negative range at third base yet again. This is while he's saying ignorant things like "no one told me to lose weight" and "I have nothing to prove, I'm guaranteed a spot" basically. Now Farrell wants to hurt the defense even more by putting the worst athlete in they have in the outfield in Chris Young by putting him in cf. I have some hope for Hanley at least. Pablo seems like a person that doesn't care about baseball anymore and Farrell continues to be, John Farrell.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Feb 21, 2016 21:59:57 GMT -5
Sandoval looks horribly out of shape. What the hell. I would have a serious question to ask Pablo if I met the guy. The guy has been quoted in saying "he has nothing to prove" and "all he cares about is winning." If that's the case Pablo, here's my question for you: If all you care about is winning, then why are you always putting yourself in the worst position to succeed? Honestly this guy is turning into the worst contract in red sox history and is a detriment to this team. He's the guy I want the Sox to pay half his contract to see him go away. This guy is infuriating. He's like spitting in every red sox fan's face with that picture and then he'll tell you he doesn't care after. He doesn't care about the game anymore.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 21, 2016 22:16:06 GMT -5
It's not a beauty pageant, let's maybe see how he plays first? I really do not care if he hits his career best. I do not like his attitude and lack of discipline and arrogance. I see Shaw as better defensively and offensively already and without any negative character to spread in the clubhouse. I do not like the PERS ON Panda is and the fact that he is a very diminished PLAYER only adds to my anger for him. I do not like the person or the player. It is hard to believe that as much as I love the Sox... I will be rooting AGAINST one of their players. I can not root for him even if he is helping us. Piece of crap. I do not need to see him play. I will always hate the person he is. You don't even know him personally. That's a pretty strong reaction to a person you've never met and only rarely heard speak. We all really only know media sound bites. It's not like he's been pulling a Kanye West or anything, either. He helped SF win three WS, and was a pretty big part of those teams. I find his arrival/physique/words raised-eyebrow-worthy too, and he was an unmitigated disaster last year, but I also think it's a good idea to see how he plays before condemning him to death, or at least career death.
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Post by honestlyabe on Feb 21, 2016 22:25:00 GMT -5
I remember hating John Lackey during his first couple Red Sox years. Like, one of my least favorite players in baseball. The injury and all the good that came after took it away... we were all there, there's not much to say but thank you for your service.
Basically, I hope Pablo Sandoval becomes our Red Panda- beloved or at least servicable until the Chosen Yoan arrives- and he still has time to do it. But, man, am I discouraged today.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 21, 2016 22:31:34 GMT -5
I would have a serious question to ask Pablo if I met the guy. The guy has been quoted in saying "he has nothing to prove" and "all he cares about is winning." If that's the case Pablo, here's my question for you: If all you care about is winning, then why are you always putting yourself in the worst position to succeed? Honestly this guy is turning into the worst contract in red sox history and is a detriment to this team. He's the guy I want the Sox to pay half his contract to see him go away. This guy is infuriating. He's like spitting in every red sox fan's face with that picture and then he'll tell you he doesn't care after. He doesn't care about the game anymore. He's played one year. Did you say the same thing about Lackey after a year? How about after three years? Five? It sounds like you're reading too much Shaughnessey. To quote 2 Live Crew, "Save the drama for yo mama." No sense getting worked up before it's even reporting day. I'm just enjoying the fact that genuine baseball is just over a month away. There's Price, Kimbrel, Smith, B&B, Pedey's return, the Large Father victory lap, Eddie Rodriguez's shiny new CB, Owens and Johnson breaking out...and a thousand other things (Espinoza being #1 for me) to get excited about. And you're getting all riled up and dramatic over perceived disaster that may very likely never come to pass. Dang, just enjoy the ride...
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Post by dirtywater43 on Feb 21, 2016 22:53:01 GMT -5
I would have a serious question to ask Pablo if I met the guy. The guy has been quoted in saying "he has nothing to prove" and "all he cares about is winning." If that's the case Pablo, here's my question for you: If all you care about is winning, then why are you always putting yourself in the worst position to succeed? Honestly this guy is turning into the worst contract in red sox history and is a detriment to this team. He's the guy I want the Sox to pay half his contract to see him go away. This guy is infuriating. He's like spitting in every red sox fan's face with that picture and then he'll tell you he doesn't care after. He doesn't care about the game anymore. He's played one year. Did you say the same thing about Lackey after a year? How about after three years? Five? It sounds like you're reading too much Shaughnessey. To quote 2 Live Crew, "Save the drama for yo mama." No sense getting worked up before it's even reporting day. I'm just enjoying the fact that genuine baseball is just over a month away. There's Price, Kimbrel, Smith, B&B, Pedey's return, the Large Father victory lap, Eddie Rodriguez's shiny new CB, Owens and Johnson breaking out...and a thousand other things (Espinoza being #1 for me) to get excited about. And you're getting all riled up and dramatic over perceived disaster that may very likely never come to pass. Dang, just enjoy the ride... I'm really excited for baseball too but it's a complete drag if your starting third baseman shows up the same exact way as last year and then he shows that he doesn't care at all about it. This guy was the worst fielding third baseman last year because he has no range and that was because he came in looking like a beached whale. Now it's like history is repeating itself with this guy. If the Sox are going to win a lot of games this year, I'm also convinced that they will need to do it despite of Pablo, not because he's helping the team win.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 21, 2016 23:04:50 GMT -5
He's played one year. Did you say the same thing about Lackey after a year? How about after three years? Five? It sounds like you're reading too much Shaughnessey. To quote 2 Live Crew, "Save the drama for yo mama." No sense getting worked up before it's even reporting day. I'm just enjoying the fact that genuine baseball is just over a month away. There's Price, Kimbrel, Smith, B&B, Pedey's return, the Large Father victory lap, Eddie Rodriguez's shiny new CB, Owens and Johnson breaking out...and a thousand other things (Espinoza being #1 for me) to get excited about. And you're getting all riled up and dramatic over perceived disaster that may very likely never come to pass. Dang, just enjoy the ride... I'm really excited for baseball too but it's a complete drag if your starting third baseman shows up the same exact way as last year and then he shows that he doesn't care at all about it. This guy was the worst fielding third baseman last year because he has no range and that was because he came in looking like a beached whale. Now it's like history is repeating itself with this guy. If the Sox are going to win a lot of games this year, I'm also convinced that they will need to do it despite of Pablo, not because he's helping the team win. Eh, maybe so...I just prefer the wait-n-see. I guess I figure that even if he's atrocious, maybe Shaw steps in or Moncada goes buckwild, or...something. It's entirely possible that he stinks, but it's going to be tough for him to be worse than last year. I think they'll find a way...I need to see him flounder for a bit before I get riled up. My optimism far outweighs my irritation at this juncture.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 21, 2016 23:08:58 GMT -5
How come this masterpiece hasn't been posted yet? He's sweaty like a man who knows he's about to lose his job to my man Travis Shaw.
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 21, 2016 23:09:34 GMT -5
I really do not care if he hits his career best. I do not like his attitude and lack of discipline and arrogance. I see Shaw as better defensively and offensively already and without any negative character to spread in the clubhouse. I do not like the PERS ON Panda is and the fact that he is a very diminished PLAYER only adds to my anger for him. I do not like the person or the player. It is hard to believe that as much as I love the Sox... I will be rooting AGAINST one of their players. I can not root for him even if he is helping us. Piece of crap. I do not need to see him play. I will always hate the person he is. You don't even know him personally. That's a pretty strong reaction to a person you've never met and only rarely heard speak. We all really only know media sound bites. It's not like he's been pulling a Kanye West or anything, either. He helped SF win three WS, and was a pretty big part of those teams. I find his arrival/physique/words raised-eyebrow-worthy too, and he was an unmitigated disaster last year, but I also think it's a good idea to see how he plays before condemning him to death, or at least career death. I don't disagree with the whole personal dislike comments. I don't know him as a person. So I can't comment on that. But as a professional baseball player on my favorite team? I despise him. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, specifically because like you said, last year he was an unmitigated disaster.....so how does he follow that up this year? Clearly, not caring about improving his flaws at all (I mean really, this idiot actually told the media he didn't weigh himself once this offseason?).
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 21, 2016 23:11:39 GMT -5
How come this masterpiece hasn't been posted yet? He's sweaty like a man who knows he's about to lose his job to my man Travis Shaw. There is zero chance he loses his job, unless John Farrell gets fired too. Regardless of how he is playing, Farrell will plug him in daily because of his contract.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 21, 2016 23:12:52 GMT -5
It's disappointing to see the shape Sandoval is in, but I don't think it's the end of the world. I hope if he indeed continues his downward consistent decline, that the Sox will pull him and go with somebody else.
My UTR hope was that Travis Shaw winds up at 3b and continues what he did in 2015. I have more hope for Hanley than I do Sandoval as I do believe a healthy Hanley can hit very well and be a very crucial part of the lineup. I also cautiously hope that he can be adequate at 1b.
Shaw hit so well last year that he doesn't deserve to lose the job he earned last August.
I don't know if 2015 was a mirage for Shaw but if Hanley succeeds and Sandoval fails it could work to the Sox advantage and open up a spot at 3b for Shaw.
It's too bad that Sandoval clogs up so much payroll. The older Gurriel brother would have been a nice target for the Sox at 3b, but that won't happen with what the Sox have committed to Sandoval, and I think it'll be a couple of seasons before Moncada is ready.
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Post by jclmontana on Feb 21, 2016 23:18:31 GMT -5
I get it. It is February 21, far too early to panic. But Fat Panda looks freakin' terrible, and is saying exactly the wrong things. Last year's second half resurgence created some good feelings, mostly because the young, competent guys were allowed to play, and Lovullo managed with equal freshness. Now a bunch of last year's villians are back to the same old c-rap: Panda's stupid statements, Panda's huge gut, Hanley still looking as disengaged as ever, along with John Farrell saying John Farrell things. It is just too much. Now all we need is for Pedroia to hurt his hand sliding into first against BC and Joe Kelly to be talkin' Cy Young again. I have never been a John Farrell hater, but in my opinion, he is striking the wrong tone for a team that mostly sucked last year. The correct message would mirror what happened in the second half of 2015. If you are good, you'll play, even if you are Travis Shaw. If you are bad, you will sit, even if you make 20mil a year. Sorry, rant over. But this team has the potential to be really unlikable, just like it was in the first half of 2015, and that would be a shame, because the second half team was so likable. I guess the Chris Young platoon was etched in stone since they signed him, probably would not have signed otherwise. Getting Young was probably a smart baseball move, with major questions still unanswered about JBJ and Castillo, but I also don't like it much if the cost of getting Young was committing to giving him x number of bats, no matter how well the others are playing. I know I am just getting triggered by some of the same-old same-old, there is no evidence that DD would be okay with a bunch of under-performing vets wrecking the season, but I don't think anyone has the patience for another lost year, I know I don't.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 22, 2016 6:56:55 GMT -5
I have never been and never will be a big Sandoval fan, but when has he ever not been fat? He was fat when he was good, and he's fat now. It's so weird to see people pretend that this isn't all just angst about his horrible performance last year.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 22, 2016 8:04:24 GMT -5
I have never been and never will be a big Sandoval fan, but when has he ever not been fat? He was fat when he was good, and he's fat now. It's so weird to see people pretend that this isn't all just angst about his horrible performance last year. He embarrassed himself last year and showed up as fat as ever. Remember the game last year when he had to be removed after running first to home? It's one thing to be athletic and fat like a football player and it's another thing to be so out of shape that you can't run 270 feet without having to rest for a few days.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 22, 2016 8:08:01 GMT -5
I would have a serious question to ask Pablo if I met the guy. The guy has been quoted in saying "he has nothing to prove" and "all he cares about is winning." If that's the case Pablo, here's my question for you: If all you care about is winning, then why are you always putting yourself in the worst position to succeed? Honestly this guy is turning into the worst contract in red sox history and is a detriment to this team. He's the guy I want the Sox to pay half his contract to see him go away. This guy is infuriating. He's like spitting in every red sox fan's face with that picture and then he'll tell you he doesn't care after. He doesn't care about the game anymore. He's played one year. Did you say the same thing about Lackey after a year? How about after three years? Five? It sounds like you're reading too much Shaughnessey. To quote 2 Live Crew, "Save the drama for yo mama." No sense getting worked up before it's even reporting day. I'm just enjoying the fact that genuine baseball is just over a month away. There's Price, Kimbrel, Smith, B&B, Pedey's return, the Large Father victory lap, Eddie Rodriguez's shiny new CB, Owens and Johnson breaking out...and a thousand other things (Espinoza being #1 for me) to get excited about. And you're getting all riled up and dramatic over perceived disaster that may very likely never come to pass. Dang, just enjoy the ride... When Pablo shows up to spring training in the shape that Lackey did in 2013 because he wanted to be a better player and had something to prove, then I'll change my mind on him, like I did with Lackey.
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Post by thursty on Feb 22, 2016 9:37:10 GMT -5
I have never been and never will be a big Sandoval fan, but when has he ever not been fat? He was fat when he was good, and he's fat now. It's so weird to see people pretend that this isn't all just angst about his horrible performance last year. Well, it's reasonable to assume that there's a correlation between the two. Perhaps being fat at 25 is different than being fat at 28, 29
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 22, 2016 10:07:06 GMT -5
I have never been and never will be a big Sandoval fan, but when has he ever not been fat? He was fat when he was good, and he's fat now. It's so weird to see people pretend that this isn't all just angst about his horrible performance last year. He embarrassed himself last year and showed up as fat as ever. Remember the game last year when he had to be removed after running first to home? It's one thing to be athletic and fat like a football player and it's another thing to be so out of shape that you can't run 270 feet without having to rest for a few days. I would also say that Sandoval could probably be more prone to getting away with being fat when he was 24 years old, but as he ages, it's a really bad thing and it's reasonable to be annoyed that he apparently doesn't care enough about his conditioning to change his diet, lose the weight he needs to lose, etc. He was only 28 years old last year, but he has continued to decline, and it was obvious he was totally out of shape by year's end. Saying he's always been fat, even when he was good, doesn't work for me. Just look at David Ortiz. He totally changed his diet as he got older. Maybe the injuries he suffered in 2008/2009 were a wakeup call for him, but Papi heeded the message and did what he needed to do. With Sandoval, the sense is the message is "I got my money. I don't have to do anything." Hope I'm reading too much into this, but I'm not overly optimistic we're going to get a performance from Sandoval that we'll like. At this point, I have a better hope that he injures himself because he's out of shape (after his anticipated mediocre performance) and that it opens up a door for Travis Shaw to play 3b if Hanley Ramirez can handle 1b adequately enough. If that doesn't work, then you get to options like trying Holt at 3b and hope he can handle it, or making a trade you probably don't want to make, or say screw the budget and try to get Yulieski Gourriel assuming he's available by the second half of the season.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 22, 2016 11:31:16 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 33s33 seconds ago Dave Dombrowski said the #RedSox watched Sandoval work out all winter. They believe he is in better condition. "Not concerned," he said.
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Post by costpet on Feb 22, 2016 11:35:28 GMT -5
I've never been a big fan of playing a guy just because he has a big contract. You know Belichick wouldn't do it. Bill would rather just dump him so he has a better chance to win. I'm sure DD will be keeping a close eye on Panda this spring. If he doesn't cut it, DD might just release him. The money is gone no matter what anyway, so don't let that interfere with your decision. I wonder how far a ball has to be over his head for Panda to take a pitch.
Then there's Hanley. Can he really play first? Does he give a damn? He's set for life with that contract, so why try? Would DD release them both? They'll be plenty of free agents next year to take Ortiz's place.
The one thing that Boston fans want is for their players to at least care about winning. Like Lackey. Good pitcher, but good riddance. We've had too many of those type of players over the years. Some day the Sox will learn they don't help you win. They help you lose.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 22, 2016 13:26:56 GMT -5
I have never been and never will be a big Sandoval fan, but when has he ever not been fat? He was fat when he was good, and he's fat now. It's so weird to see people pretend that this isn't all just angst about his horrible performance last year. He looks the way he's always looked, and people are basically having a contest over who can be the most outraged about it. It's tiresome.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 22, 2016 13:48:43 GMT -5
Yeah I shouldn't say it's weird, I take that back. It's actually wholly predictable and transparent, particularly on the media's part.
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 22, 2016 14:42:15 GMT -5
I have never been and never will be a big Sandoval fan, but when has he ever not been fat? He was fat when he was good, and he's fat now. It's so weird to see people pretend that this isn't all just angst about his horrible performance last year. He looks the way he's always looked, and people are basically having a contest over who can be the most outraged about it. It's tiresome. It's very tiresome. The indignation, my God. He has offended so many fans. Let's just see how he does. Some people have a REALLY hard time losing weight. I switched a low carb/paleo diet 1-1.2 years ago and dropped almost 25 lbs in 4 months and have kept the weight off ever since. Several friends of mine have done the same thing. Another friend just couldn't lose the weight with this diet. He's tried others, too. No luck. For some people, other issues make the weight loss more challenging. I have no idea how much/how hard he's tried. But I am so self-important to think that I can know what's going on inside Pablo from a few pictures or a few media reports about words he said that may or may not be taken out of context (likely they are).
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Post by nomar on Feb 22, 2016 14:56:40 GMT -5
Sam Kennedy stirring the Sandoval pot today on Dennis and Callahan. Pretty dumb on Kennedy's part regardless of how he feels about Sandoval personally.
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