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Spring Training Gameday Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 1, 2016 21:29:00 GMT -5
Good to see the Sox with a well pitched game.
The hits against Wright were well hit but he executed when he needed to and kept the Jays to 2 runs. The relievers all looked pretty decent (even Ysla).
I've said it before but Craig looks better than he has since he came to the Sox. Maybe a decent trade chip down the road if he produces at Pawtucket. I'm somewhat surprised that we haven't heard any White Sox interest rumors.
Saunders and Happ looked decent for the Jays. Happ was up and down with the fastball, something he hasn't done in the past (he had a few lost control spurts though) and Saunders is healthy, both could be key difference makers for the Jays.
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Post by larrycook on Apr 1, 2016 22:21:19 GMT -5
Betts looked locked in tonight.
Betts, bogaerts and rameriez Ramirez swings looked really good.
Shaw not so much. It will be interesting to see if he struggles next week.
Swihart's timing getting better as we get closer to opening day,
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 1, 2016 23:47:39 GMT -5
Good to see the Sox with a well pitched game. The hits against Wright were well hit but he executed when he needed to and kept the Jays to 2 runs. The relievers all looked pretty decent (even Ysla). I've said it before but Craig looks better than he has since he came to the Sox. Maybe a decent trade chip down the road if he produces at Pawtucket. I'm somewhat surprised that we haven't heard any White Sox interest rumors. Saunders and Happ looked decent for the Jays. Happ was up and down with the fastball, something he hasn't done in the past (he had a few lost control spurts though) and Saunders is healthy, both could be key difference makers for the Jays. It would be nice if Craig could bounce back we could use the depth in OF and 1B. Looking at Spring stats the lack of extra base hits stands out, only 1 double. Same problem last two years, he seems to lost all power and ability to get extra base hits. His minor league average and on base % were good last year, but he showed less power then Holt. That foot injury seems to have turned him into Brock Holt but without his D and ability to play almost any position. Until his power returns he doesn't have much value.
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Post by cba82 on Apr 2, 2016 5:30:53 GMT -5
Attended the game in Montreal on Friday night. Olympic Stadium is quite a poor facility in many ways which I won't detail here, but it was still a thrill to see a game there, which had been a long-time goal.
It was very much a home game for the Blue Jays, whose fans far outnumbered those of the Red Sox, but our fans were still pretty loud. It was a fun atmosphere overall but I have to say my experience was similar to when I attended a game in Toronto -- despite the reputation of Canadians as being super-nice and polite, I find Blue Jays fans to be rude and obnoxious; its not sufficient, it seems, to root for your own team, many also feel the need to actively (and profanely) root against the other team's players by name. They've also always struck me as being Johnny-come-latelys -- I've been in Rogers Centre when there were acres of empty seats, and it was only as 2015 wore on that the Jays began drawing big crowds for home games last year.
I just love watching Jackie Bradley, Jr. play baseball.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 2, 2016 6:02:48 GMT -5
Good to see the Sox with a well pitched game. The hits against Wright were well hit but he executed when he needed to and kept the Jays to 2 runs. The relievers all looked pretty decent (even Ysla). I've said it before but Craig looks better than he has since he came to the Sox. Maybe a decent trade chip down the road if he produces at Pawtucket. I'm somewhat surprised that we haven't heard any White Sox interest rumors. Saunders and Happ looked decent for the Jays. Happ was up and down with the fastball, something he hasn't done in the past (he had a few lost control spurts though) and Saunders is healthy, both could be key difference makers for the Jays. It would be nice if Craig could bounce back we could use the depth in OF and 1B. Looking at Spring stats the lack of extra base hits stands out, only 1 double. Same problem last two years, he seems to lost all power and ability to get extra base hits. His minor league average and on base % were good last year, but he showed less power then Holt. That foot injury seems to have turned him into Brock Holt but without his D and ability to play almost any position. Until his power returns he doesn't have much value. I agree with your general point about power but nothing about the statistics of 38 spring ABs should stand out. He's looked good in his ABs regardless of the results either way. I have no idea what his stats are. As a side note, as a UMass grad, I cringe every time you use the word 'then' when you should have used 'than' which is pretty much every time. Sorry, pet peeve...
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2016 7:48:01 GMT -5
Betts looked locked in tonight. Betts, bogaerts and rameriez Ramirez swings looked really good. Shaw not so much. It will be interesting to see if he struggles next week. Swihart's timing getting better as we get closer to opening day, Ramirez Do you have a mental disorder that prevents you from spelling it right or is it the most bizarre and subtle troll job in internet history?
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Post by gerry on Apr 2, 2016 10:58:50 GMT -5
Betts looked locked in tonight. Betts, bogaerts and rameriez swings looked really good. Shaw not so much. It will be interesting to see if he struggles next week. Swihart's timing getting better as we get closer to opening day, Ramirez Do you have a mental disorder that prevents you from spelling it right or is it the most bizarre and subtle troll job in internet history? C'mon Lary, its Remiraz Ramirez.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 2, 2016 11:38:05 GMT -5
No. There is no such thing as an "optimal" team. Sox are awarding guys who did their due diligence and performed, this is good for teaching players to work and perform. Do I think Shaw and Holt will be starters at the halfway point? Nope. But with Holt hitting out of his mind in the first halves of the last two years, I'm fine with it. No team is optimal yet having a light hitting Brock Holt in the left Field made famous by guys like Yaz, Manny and Williams is an eyesore to me. Give me a mega bopper in Fenway's left field. It's a tremendous opportunity lost. I mean, all the great Sox teams had great left fielders. Williams, Yaz, Ramirez, Gomes... More than one way to skin a cat, my friend. And I'll say the same thing I always say - if you don't like the option being rolled out there right now, point out the option that's out there that they need to go get for which the price is acceptable. It's really easy to say "they need a better X" without actually putting thought into it. If you don't think Holt's a good enough LF option (or to be more precise, the Holt/Young platoon), then point out the option that they need to pursue.
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Post by cba82 on Apr 2, 2016 12:01:31 GMT -5
Betts looked locked in tonight. Betts, bogaerts and rameriez Ramirez swings looked really good. Shaw not so much. It will be interesting to see if he struggles next week. Swihart's timing getting better as we get closer to opening day, Ramirez Do you have a mental disorder that prevents you from spelling it right or is it the most bizarre and subtle troll job in internet history? Funny, on the drive back from Montreal this morning I heard a story on the radio about how the compulsive tendency to correct the spelling mistakes of others may be a sign of sociopathy...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 2, 2016 12:20:30 GMT -5
Ramirez Do you have a mental disorder that prevents you from spelling it right or is it the most bizarre and subtle troll job in internet history? Funny, on the drive back from Montreal this morning I heard a story on the radio about how the compulsive tendency to correct the spelling mistakes of others may be a sign of sociopathy... Whoever told the story never observed Larry endlessly butchering a simple name like Ramirez over and over and over again. Spelling mistake are no big deal (I used to spell Manny Delcarmen's name as Del Carmen but once I was corrected I learned and that was that), but screwing up something like that continuously is quite annoying. Wish the mods would politely ask/demand Larry to get the name right, but it's not my place.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2016 12:36:44 GMT -5
Ramirez Do you have a mental disorder that prevents you from spelling it right or is it the most bizarre and subtle troll job in internet history? Funny, on the drive back from Montreal this morning I heard a story on the radio about how the compulsive tendency to correct the spelling mistakes of others may be a sign of sociopathy... I waited until the 50th time to do it.
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Post by nomar on Apr 2, 2016 13:13:19 GMT -5
Funny, on the drive back from Montreal this morning I heard a story on the radio about how the compulsive tendency to correct the spelling mistakes of others may be a sign of sociopathy... I waited until the 50th time to do it. It's too late man, you're an internet sociopath now. I wish you luck on our journey.
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Post by thursty on Apr 2, 2016 13:14:40 GMT -5
Betts w a ringing double to right-center; which i believe he didn't have a single one of in 2015
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2016 14:14:56 GMT -5
Dubon looks like a future major league player to me.
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Post by soxfanatic on Apr 2, 2016 14:32:43 GMT -5
Dubon looks like a future major league player to me. I'm very impressed with him defensively. His arm strength surprised me.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Apr 2, 2016 16:30:45 GMT -5
If our two biggest positional problem areas are in left field and 3rd base, there does appear to be help coming from the minors in Moncada, Benintendi and Devers. From a business perspective, sometimes you live with place holders when necessary. Holt is obviously a placeholder. With all the center field types we have had in the system recently ( Benintendi, JBJ, Betts, Margot, Castillo, and I would add Moncada, it absolutely made sense to trade one ( Margot ) to optimize this team going forward and hopefully we will be in a position soon to trade another.
I was just looking at Kyle Schwarber's minor league numbers. Wow. If we could get lucky and get performance like that from Benintendi or Moncada this year we can get some outfield help by August / September. Schwarber only had 310 plate appearances total in AA / AAA ball.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Apr 2, 2016 16:32:25 GMT -5
Betts w a ringing double to right-center; which i believe he didn't have a single one of in 2015 Betts used to drive a lot of balls to right center in the minors if I remember correctly When he was tearing up AA.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 2, 2016 20:49:33 GMT -5
Betts w a ringing double to right-center; which i believe he didn't have a single one of in 2015 Betts used to drive a lot of balls to right center in the minors if I remember correctly When he was tearing up AA. Yes you remember correctly. Especially at Portland where he peaked. I was surprised at how few balls he hit that way last year.
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Post by station13 on Apr 2, 2016 20:57:59 GMT -5
I'm surprise Hanley has done more than okay at 1B.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 2, 2016 22:13:41 GMT -5
If Hanley Rameriez Ramirez can put up a career slash line this year (.300/.370/.500 or so), steal a few bags like he has in ST (20 or so with a 75% or better success rate), and play solid-avg or better defense, Larry can call him Rameriez all he wants. And, this team will absolutely be better-than-expected. If the other INFs have confidence in him, the team defense (already good) could be very good to excellent. The OF defense is already terrific. And, I can imagine the pitching being better too, if only (again, because the fielders are making plays) because guys aren't nibbling, getting tired, giving up walks, etc. I genuinely believe that Hanley could be a huge key to this team.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 2, 2016 22:25:12 GMT -5
I'm surprise Hanley has done more than okay at 1B. Me too. I was thinking disaster when the move was announced. Maybe, I'll be wrong about Fatso too. Which, I posted from the day he signed. I think JBJ and Swihart are the keys to this team. Two crucial positions. Not sure what we get offensively from JBJ and even more important. Defense from Swihart.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 2, 2016 23:18:36 GMT -5
I'm surprise Hanley has done more than okay at 1B. Me too. I was thinking disaster when the move was announced. Maybe, I'll be wrong about Fatso too. Which, I posted from the day he signed. I think JBJ and Swihart are the keys to this team. Two crucial positions. Not sure what we get offensively from JBJ and even more important. Defense from Swihart. If by Swihart, you mean Vazquez, that's a reasonable assessment. After all, as far as we can tell he was literally nine times as good as Swihart in their respective rookie seasons(6.3 bWAR versus 0.7, both per 125 games and including pitch-framing). They've been hyping Swihart, but if you listen carefully, they're also talking like they expect Vazquez to be the regular catcher (although Speier and, of all people, Shaughnessy are the only Globe writers who get this: Cafarado and Abraham, who of course do the bulk of the day-to-day reporting, haven't seemed to notice). Vazquez can spend an unlimited amount of time rehabbing in XST, but if it's more than 10 days, the extra days come off his Pawtucket rehab length, up to a maximum of 10. He then gets 20 days rehabbing (potentially reduced to as little as 10), and can be optioned for up to 20 days without burning an option. Unless something goes wrong with the rehab, he's likely back within 50 days max. And Swihart goes down.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 3, 2016 0:48:26 GMT -5
They won a world series pretty recently in which left field was a platoon of two bargain basement guys.
If Farrell properly uses his personnel we should be fine.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2016 0:51:46 GMT -5
It would be nice if Craig could bounce back we could use the depth in OF and 1B. Looking at Spring stats the lack of extra base hits stands out, only 1 double. Same problem last two years, he seems to lost all power and ability to get extra base hits. His minor league average and on base % were good last year, but he showed less power then Holt. That foot injury seems to have turned him into Brock Holt but without his D and ability to play almost any position. Until his power returns he doesn't have much value. I agree with your general point about power but nothing about the statistics of 38 spring ABs should stand out. He's looked good in his ABs regardless of the results either way. I have no idea what his stats are. As a side note, as a UMass grad, I cringe every time you use the word 'then' when you should have used 'than' which is pretty much every time. Sorry, pet peeve... This really upsets me, second person to pick on my college and degree on this board. Just so you know I graduated with a 3.7 GPA with a degree in economics(3.9 GPA in major). I have a bad case of dyslexia. As a result I'm not a good speller or at writing in general. So yea I will mess up then and than all the time. If you wanted to bring it up you could have just simply pointed it out with bringing my UMass degree into it. Oh yea by the way I currently work in banking as a loss MIT specialist that oversees a 12.8 billion mortgage portfolio. I might not be a good writer but I am a wiz with numbers. This is a sports chat board, not a college paper! Where do you have a degree from?? What's your GPA? What do you do for a living?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 3, 2016 1:17:01 GMT -5
I agree with your general point about power but nothing about the statistics of 38 spring ABs should stand out. He's looked good in his ABs regardless of the results either way. I have no idea what his stats are. As a side note, as a UMass grad, I cringe every time you use the word 'then' when you should have used 'than' which is pretty much every time. Sorry, pet peeve... This really upsets me, second person to pick on my college and degree on this board. Just so you know I graduated with a 3.7 GPA with a degree in economics(3.9 GPA in major). I have a bad case of dyslexia. As a result I'm not a good speller or at writing in general. So yea I will mess up then and than all the time. If you wanted to bring it up you could have just simply pointed it out with bringing my UMass degree into it. Oh yea by the way I currently work in banking as a loss MIT specialist that oversees a 12.8 billion mortgage portfolio. I might not be a good writer but I am a wiz with numbers. This is a sports chat board, not a college paper! Where do you have a degree from?? What's your GPA? What do you do for a living? I prefaced my sentence with "as a UMass grad". I graduated in '74 and was one of the first two students selected for a new program called "Bachelors Degree with Individual Concentration" where you have no fixed curriculum instead, you have a faculty adviser to help plan your path. (I don't know if they still have a BDIC program or not). As it turned out, 60 of my 120 undergraduate credits were at the Masters or PHD level and I summered at MIT and Harvard working on the World Economics Model which is pretty much the landmark sim. I had full boat scholarships for post grad studies at both MIT and Harvard but was hired away by the Department of Defense where I worked for 20 years before going into the private sector then retiring. LOL, I didn't receive a single paycheck from directly from DOD. Interestingly, for those that know history, the person that originally talked to DOD about me was Archibald Cox who was acting Dean of Harvard Law School at the time. I was interviewed and hired by Melvin Laird but, he was no longer the Secretary of Defense at the time. That was Eliot Richardson. Cox and Richardson's paths would cross again. Sorry about your dyslexia but I don't see how that relates to the use of the words then and than.
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