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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 12, 2016 20:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 12, 2016 20:49:08 GMT -5
Kelly is the obvious choice to me if he doesn't get it together, he still has options. Wright is fine and Porcello at least gets Ks and will eat innings. Buchholz they could I guess just dump if he is bad since we can decline his option and he wouldnt be worth anything in a trade.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2016 20:49:26 GMT -5
If only they could've had a guy like Rich Hill on this starting staff.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 12, 2016 20:50:55 GMT -5
Tim Britton @timbritton now Coming into tonight, the Red Sox were 16-27 at Fenway Park against the Orioles since September 2011.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Apr 12, 2016 20:52:18 GMT -5
we still have Jackie
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Post by ajs1994 on Apr 12, 2016 20:53:46 GMT -5
If only they could've had a guy like Rich Hill on this starting staff. But imagine the gameday thread if he'd come back and had a start like his first with the A's. After that, the board would've relegated him to the bullpen or DFA'd him.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 12, 2016 20:54:48 GMT -5
Kelly is the obvious choice to me if he doesn't get it together, he still has options. Wright is fine and Porcello at least gets Ks and will eat innings. Buchholz they could I guess just dump if he is bad since we can decline his option and he wouldnt be worth anything in a trade. Definitely. One start is plenty. Get rid of the whole staff except Price.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 12, 2016 20:59:55 GMT -5
Kelly is the obvious choice to me if he doesn't get it together, he still has options. Wright is fine and Porcello at least gets Ks and will eat innings. Buchholz they could I guess just dump if he is bad since we can decline his option and he wouldnt be worth anything in a trade. Definitely. One start is plenty. Get rid of the whole staff except Price. Buchholz has been on the team since 2007 and we've had Kelly a year and a half now.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Apr 12, 2016 21:01:37 GMT -5
The first two runs were a fluke. But he seemed to be really fighting his control in that last inning. Agreed, the stuff looked much sharper, the command wasn't there. But for me at least, this was much more encouraging than his last start, I think he'll get back on track soon. Not sure I would ever leave Buchholz in a game beyond 90 pitches.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 12, 2016 21:02:40 GMT -5
Definitely. One start is plenty. Get rid of the whole staff except Price. Buchholz has been on the team since 2007 and we've had Kelly a year and a half now. Those decisions can only be debated last winter, not one week into the season.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2016 21:04:17 GMT -5
Hey, come on now - this is nothing a six-run homer can't fix.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 12, 2016 21:11:32 GMT -5
here comes younger
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2016 21:12:12 GMT -5
Hey look - it's gritty veteran Chris Young here to go yard.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 12, 2016 21:15:44 GMT -5
If only they could've had a guy like Rich Hill on this starting staff. Imagine if they had Hill AND Lester
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Post by ajs1994 on Apr 12, 2016 21:17:47 GMT -5
Hey look - it's gritty veteran Chris Young here to go yard. He has the will to win. There's a different energy on the team when he's on the field.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 12, 2016 21:19:08 GMT -5
Farrell is gonna keep pinch hitting Young for Shaw till it friggin works...damnit.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Apr 12, 2016 21:23:32 GMT -5
The first two runs were a fluke. But he seemed to be really fighting his control in that last inning. Agreed, the stuff looked much sharper, the command wasn't there. But for me at least, this was much more encouraging than his last start, I think he'll get back on track soon. I can't believe we're still saying this about Clay Buchholz in 2016
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Post by ianrs on Apr 12, 2016 21:23:43 GMT -5
Why the long faces guys? We're just one sneaky Brock Holt grand slam from tying this thing up!
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2016 21:31:23 GMT -5
To date it looks as though the Sox have scored the second most runs in baseball. Unfortunately they've also given up the second most runs in baseball.
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 12, 2016 21:39:55 GMT -5
Buchholz has been on the team since 2007 and we've had Kelly a year and a half now. Those decisions can only be debated last winter, not one week into the season. But it's not a debate. It's comments in a game day thread with people who should be given a break that they know Clay B's history. You have been banging on SSS. Got it. Most are commenting on this year's SSS based on past performance. The stuff is on the down side, the age keeps going up. Can he run off 8 to 10 great starts before the DL trip? Yes. It becomes less likely every start.
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Post by rangoon82 on Apr 12, 2016 21:40:21 GMT -5
LOL it blew me away to read this is Buchholz's 10th season with the Sox. I think its safe for me stop thinking of him as the young guy just about to turn the corner into 1/2 territory and accept him for the career 3/4 starter he is.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2016 0:09:41 GMT -5
Man, the pitching has been abysmal. I guess we can't blame Hanley and Sandoval's defense this season, so I guess we'll say that Swihart's defense is the reason the pitching stinks so far, other than the pitchers have pitched like crap.
I still like Swihart's future better than Vazquez's overall, but I don't think I can complain if the Sox in a few weeks or so want to put Vazquez behind the plate and see if it can positively impact the pitching. They can't trade the whole pitching staff so I guess they'll have to try something else.
Swihart got thrown to the wolves last year and survived and was actually thriving, at least offensively. He certainly can work on his defense in AAA. I do believe in his bat and hope that he can improve his defense and force his way back up.
So I guess I reluctantly endorse Vazquez getting another crack at the catching gig if just to see what kind of impact it really has on the pitching. I always thought that Tek called a really good game. Maybe Vazquez can have an impact as big as that.
Ideally if Swihart got sent down in favor of Vazquez, and then forced his way back to Boston, I'd be in favor of him splitting time with Vazquez, perhaps pairing Vazquez up with guys who need help like Kelly and Buchholz and maybe Porcello or Wright, while Swihart would work with guys like Price and Rodriguez.
The downside of this is that you have two regular catchers splitting time while you're trading away a valuable backup and not getting a pitcher back in a deal that would be impactful.
I just think it's too soon to tell if the Sox should go long-term with Swihart or Vazquez, and I hope the Sox aren't forced into making that decision at the trade deadline. I'd rather that they have more time to evaluate.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 13, 2016 4:45:15 GMT -5
Porcello at least gets Ks Yes, he racks up a lot of Ks with the bases empty. I just wish he could do it with men on base too.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 13, 2016 6:54:35 GMT -5
Huge game tonight. Another loss drops the Orioles magic number to eliminate the Red Sox to 150.
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Post by nomar on Apr 13, 2016 7:36:02 GMT -5
I really hope Kelly throws well tonight. I'm so sick of losing to the Orioles.
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