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4/11-4/13 Red Sox vs. Orioles Series Thread
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Post by notguilty on Apr 13, 2016 8:11:17 GMT -5
I really hope Kelly throws well tonight. I'm so sick of losing to the Orioles. I'm with you there. Kelly may surprise tonight, but I don't really see it. The O's really come to play for the Red Sox, and man, can they hit mediocre pitching. And the Sox starting staff is the absolute definition of mediocre. I mean, freakin' JJ Hardy kills the Sox and sucks against everybody else. You need very good pitching to shut them down, and other than Price, it's really not there for the Sox. I'm pretty scared guys like Buchholz and Kelly and Porcello will get enough "but it's still early" rope to bury this team fast, at least enough for Farrell to get fired. The hope, to be honest, is that E-Rod comes back soon, really lives up to that #2 spot, and Wright stays steady. Then you can handle the volatility from Porcello and Buchholz and send Kelly to the pen, and at the deadline, you trade for another real pitcher (you know DD will do it, he doesn't care about stinkin' prospects) + one of the kids (Johnson / Owens).
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Post by jmei on Apr 13, 2016 8:41:31 GMT -5
To be fair, the Hardy home runs were the two shortest home runs in the league so far this year, wouldn't be home runs in any other ballpark, and were s foot or so from being foul balls. Buchholz and the bullpen still pitched pretty bad otherwise, but those home runs were the difference in the game and were cheapies.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 13, 2016 8:41:46 GMT -5
I really hope Kelly throws well tonight. I'm so sick of losing to the Orioles. I'm with you there. Kelly may surprise tonight, but I don't really see it. The O's really come to play for the Red Sox, and man, can they hit mediocre pitching. And the Sox starting staff is the absolute definition of mediocre. I mean, freakin' JJ Hardy kills the Sox and sucks against everybody else. You need very good pitching to shut them down, and other than Price, it's really not there for the Sox. I'm pretty scared guys like Buchholz and Kelly and Porcello will get enough "but it's still early" rope to bury this team fast, at least enough for Farrell to get fired. The hope, to be honest, is that E-Rod comes back soon, really lives up to that #2 spot, and Wright stays steady. Then you can handle the volatility from Porcello and Buchholz and send Kelly to the pen, and at the deadline, you trade for another real pitcher (you know DD will do it, he doesn't care about stinkin' prospects) + one of the kids (Johnson / Owens). You forgot the italics bro'?
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Post by Guidas on Apr 13, 2016 9:33:16 GMT -5
Porcello at least gets Ks Yes, he racks up a lot of Ks with the bases empty. I just wish he could do it with men on base too. I think this was an issue with DiceK too in 07-08. Then again, all the vodka I had to drink during his starts could've blurred this in my mind.
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Post by notguilty on Apr 13, 2016 9:46:36 GMT -5
I'm with you there. Kelly may surprise tonight, but I don't really see it. The O's really come to play for the Red Sox, and man, can they hit mediocre pitching. And the Sox starting staff is the absolute definition of mediocre. I mean, freakin' JJ Hardy kills the Sox and sucks against everybody else. You need very good pitching to shut them down, and other than Price, it's really not there for the Sox. I'm pretty scared guys like Buchholz and Kelly and Porcello will get enough "but it's still early" rope to bury this team fast, at least enough for Farrell to get fired. The hope, to be honest, is that E-Rod comes back soon, really lives up to that #2 spot, and Wright stays steady. Then you can handle the volatility from Porcello and Buchholz and send Kelly to the pen, and at the deadline, you trade for another real pitcher (you know DD will do it, he doesn't care about stinkin' prospects) + one of the kids (Johnson / Owens). You forgot the italics bro'? Lol, I did, Sorry.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 13, 2016 11:06:16 GMT -5
Bad juju with that wind last night. Hardy looked like he'd been working on that golf swing for a while on the replay. Sat back down in time to watch Trumbo launch one out-of-sight wind or no wind.
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Post by nomar on Apr 13, 2016 11:08:06 GMT -5
Trumbo rakes at Fenway. He's like Cody Ross.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 13, 2016 11:27:24 GMT -5
Clay Buchholz has succeeded tonight. ...in making me want to see Steven Wright take his starts. This staff stinks from top to bottom. The first two runs were a fluke. But he seemed to be really fighting his control in that last inning. Agreed, the stuff looked much sharper, the command wasn't there. But for me at least, this was much more encouraging than his last start, I think he'll get back on track soon. I actually intended to post this info before his first start. In 2011 Buchholz had a 170 ERA-, 251 FIP-, and 131 xFIP- after his first two starts. His next four starts were 90 / 106 / 133. His 8 starts after that, 61 / 82 / 86 and in the conversation for best pitcher in baseball. In 2012 he was 185 / 168 / 134 over his first 9 starts and 66 / 88 / 97 over his next 18 (at which point he apparently ran out of gas and got clobbered his last 2 outings). In 2014 he was 175 / 132 / 125 in 10 starts before going on the DL and 116 / 98 / 99 after he came off it in June. Last year he was 136 / 78 / 81 over his first 7 starts and 48 / 62 / 82 afterwards. Really, the only year that he got off to a good start was 2013. His 239 / 200 / 148 performance in his first two starts this year tells you very little.
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Post by thursty on Apr 13, 2016 11:36:09 GMT -5
To be fair, the Hardy home runs were the two shortest home runs in the league so far this year, wouldn't be home runs in any other ballpark, and were s foot or so from being foul balls. Buchholz and the bullpen still pitched pretty bad otherwise, but those home runs were the difference in the game and were cheapies. That's misleading; they would both have been extra-base hits in any ballpark. The same sort of argument can be made for nearly any start
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 13, 2016 11:42:28 GMT -5
Put Moncada on the block....we need pitching help right now!!!!! Trade Moncada? Based on his spring training stats and his 21 AB in Salem I'm pretty sure he is ML ready now.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 13, 2016 13:05:17 GMT -5
To be fair, the Hardy home runs were the two shortest home runs in the league so far this year, wouldn't be home runs in any other ballpark, and were s foot or so from being foul balls. Buchholz and the bullpen still pitched pretty bad otherwise, but those home runs were the difference in the game and were cheapies. That's misleading; they would both have been extra-base hits in any ballpark. The same sort of argument can be made for nearly any start Not true. Both would have been foul balls. The first was pretty well hit, but the second was sliced, and just barely got by the foul pole before curving into the stands. Even the first one was only an inch from being a double instead.
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Post by nomar on Apr 13, 2016 13:14:58 GMT -5
Put Moncada on the block....we need pitching help right now!!!!! Trade Moncada? Based on his spring training stats and his 21 AB in Salem I'm pretty sure he is ML ready now. I don't think he's ready, but I think by the time he is, he and Puig will have weirdly similar tools. Puig with a tad more power and arm strength (both at least + still), but Moncada will swipe a few more bags. Hopefully he'll spare us the distractions.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 13, 2016 13:23:23 GMT -5
To be fair, the Hardy home runs were the two shortest home runs in the league so far this year, wouldn't be home runs in any other ballpark, and were s foot or so from being foul balls. Buchholz and the bullpen still pitched pretty bad otherwise, but those home runs were the difference in the game and were cheapies. That's misleading; they would both have been extra-base hits outs in any ballpark. The same sort of argument can be made for nearly any start FTFY.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 13, 2016 14:29:08 GMT -5
so Sandoval not starting is actually a pretty big shock
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Post by jmei on Apr 13, 2016 14:49:54 GMT -5
I, for one, am happy that Farrell is not putting undue weight on hitter versus pitcher splits. 41 PAs is still just about meaningless in terms of predicting future results.
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Post by notguilty on Apr 13, 2016 15:15:51 GMT -5
I, for one, am happy that Farrell is not putting undue weight on hitter versus pitcher splits. 41 PAs is still just about meaningless in terms of predicting future results. Except in the 6th inning, when it's time to bring in Young to pinch hit for Shaw. Because, you know, Shaw was "good" vs. lefties last year, but Young was "outstanding".
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Post by jmei on Apr 13, 2016 15:19:22 GMT -5
I, for one, am happy that Farrell is not putting undue weight on hitter versus pitcher splits. 41 PAs is still just about meaningless in terms of predicting future results. Except in the 6th inning, when it's time to bring in Young to pinch hit for Shaw. Because, you know, Shaw was "good" vs. lefties last year, but Young was "outstanding". Platoon splits are entirely different from individual batter versus individual pitcher splits. The former is very real in terms of predicting future performance, while the latter is almost always small-sample noise. In fact, I'm happy Farrell isn't putting undue weight on Shaw's 2015 observed platoon split in the majors (which consisted of all of 82 PAs vs. LHP) and pinch-hitting for him with Young.
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 13, 2016 15:29:59 GMT -5
Rob Bradford @bradfo 21s21 seconds ago Sandoval headed to DL with left shoulder strain. Rutledge up
Alex Speier @alexspeier 19s19 seconds ago Sandoval to DL for left shoulder strain. Sox also have outlined a conditioning program for him while on DL.
John Tomase @jtomase 2m2 minutes ago Sandoval to DL with left shoulder strain. Rutledge up. Farrell isn't sure how Sandoval hurt himself.
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Post by notguilty on Apr 13, 2016 15:34:30 GMT -5
Except in the 6th inning, when it's time to bring in Young to pinch hit for Shaw. Because, you know, Shaw was "good" vs. lefties last year, but Young was "outstanding". Platoon splits are entirely different from individual batter versus individual pitcher splits. The former is very real in terms of predicting future performance, while the latter is almost always small-sample noise. In fact, I'm happy Farrell isn't putting undue weight on Shaw's 2015 observed platoon split in the majors (which consisted of all of 82 PAs vs. LHP) and pinch-hitting for him with Young. I hear you. I appreciate most of what you usually say, but I can't follow you on this one. Sometimes, you really take this SSS thing to the extreme. Using this logic, Shaw should be sitting for Sandoval too. If one cuts beneath the noise (SSS, 2015 platoon splits, past vs. future performance, etc.), all you're left with is a manager who is consistently sitting down a rookie because he likes and favours veterans (Sandoval just pushed it too far for showing up fat and being terrible enough for everybody to see, otherwise he'd be playing), and it's easier to mess around with the rookie than Pedroia, Ortiz or whomever. He mishandled Bogaerts (JD Drew..) and JBJ the same way. The SSS and platoon splits are just a red herring. Farrell is really just the wrong manager for a team that's trying to get younger.
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Post by danr on Apr 13, 2016 15:34:51 GMT -5
Except in the 6th inning, when it's time to bring in Young to pinch hit for Shaw. Because, you know, Shaw was "good" vs. lefties last year, but Young was "outstanding". Platoon splits are entirely different from individual batter versus individual pitcher splits. The former is very real in terms of predicting future performance, while the latter is almost always small-sample noise. In fact, I'm happy Farrell isn't putting undue weight on Shaw's 2015 observed platoon split in the majors (which consisted of all of 82 PAs vs. LHP) and pinch-hitting for him with Young. I disagree. I think to pinch hit for Shaw is exactly the wrong thing to do at this point in the season. If Shaw is going to be a regular he must hit reasonably against both LH and RH pitchers and so far in his brief career, and in admittedly SSS, he has. Why not see how he does for a while before limiting him this way? This is not a good way to build a player's confidence and skills. It also just doesn't make sense to be pinch hitting in the 6th inning at this point in the season.
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Post by notguilty on Apr 13, 2016 15:36:50 GMT -5
John Tomase @jtomase 2m2 minutes ago Sandoval to DL with left shoulder strain. Rutledge up. Farrell isn't sure how Sandoval hurt himself.This is hilarious. P.S. Not a commentary on Pablo, hope he gets ok.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 13, 2016 15:48:05 GMT -5
“@trenni: Farrell’s only speculation on how Sandoval injured himself is because he’s been taking ”a lot of extra swings“. #RedSox”
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 13, 2016 15:51:39 GMT -5
I, for one, am happy that Farrell is not putting undue weight on hitter versus pitcher splits. 41 PAs is still just about meaningless in terms of predicting future results. Especially since most of those PAs are from a universe where Pablo Sandoval was hitting .330. Now that's his weight, which we cannot un-do. “@trenni: Farrell’s only speculation on how Sandoval injured himself is because he’s been taking ”a lot of extra swings“. #RedSox”
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 13, 2016 15:59:07 GMT -5
I, for one, am happy that Farrell is not putting undue weight on hitter versus pitcher splits. 41 PAs is still just about meaningless in terms of predicting future results. You probably jinxed it now.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 13, 2016 15:59:37 GMT -5
Rob Bradford @bradfo 21s21 seconds ago Sandoval headed to DL with left shoulder strain. Rutledge up Alex Speier @alexspeier 19s19 seconds ago Sandoval to DL for left shoulder strain. Sox also have outlined a conditioning program for him while on DL. John Tomase @jtomase 2m2 minutes ago Sandoval to DL with left shoulder strain. Rutledge up. Farrell isn't sure how Sandoval hurt himself. Hmmm, interesting they brought up Rutledge instead of Marrero. I assume the corresponding move is putting Workman on the 60 day DL? I'm going to make a wild guess and say that Sandoval is not that hurt at all, except for maybe his feelings. I guess they probably want his body fat % down from 17% to that of someone who is anorexic as opposed to just underweight.
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