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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2016 20:37:43 GMT -5
LOL, did anyone see the camera shot of the guy flippin' the bird with both hands at the end of that inning?
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2016 20:37:59 GMT -5
Hell of a team effort here. Come on, offense - wake up and pull this one in.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 20:38:40 GMT -5
Every April I'm surprised by how good Tazawa is when he's not gassed. Will be interesting to see if he's re-signed.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 19, 2016 20:40:20 GMT -5
Drew Smiley is a sorcerer. Only if rising fastballs are magic. Which of course they are.
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Post by ianrs on Apr 19, 2016 20:41:04 GMT -5
Points to it probably just being a cold streak no? Maybe, but it's three simultaneous cold streaks in three players who showed above average plate discipline as minor leaguers, showed lower than expected plate discipline last year, even as things were going well, and have seen their plate discipline completely collapse this year. I wouldn't rule out deeper systemic problems within the organization so quickly. EDIT: oops, meant to reply to jmei's post; sorry for any confusion. Blaming individual players SSS struggles on the coaching staff seems a bit absurd. I dislike Farrell as much as the next guy but 1) on average players don't hit as well in the majors as they do in the minors because major league competition is just better 2) regardless of how the coaches are coaching, the players are the ones who have to execute during the game.
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Post by bosox on Apr 19, 2016 20:42:13 GMT -5
Was hoping Young would go yard off this lefty.
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Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2016 20:42:23 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything about them being good or bad, but Betts and Bogaerts have went from patient to impatient at he major league level. It's just a fact. It's definitely harder, but both have also made it abundantly clear that being much more aggressive was their strategy. It was a fact last year too. Obviously they're hitting worse than they will later this season, but I'd also prefer they find their old approaches somewhere down the line. Betts was one of the most patient hitters in the league last year. He overall swing rate was 13th lowest among the 141 qualified hitters in the league, and both his swing rates on pitches inside the zone (4th lowest) and pitches outside the zone (27th lowest) were among the lowest in the league. As mentioned earlier, his swing rates this year are generally similar. The difference was not Betts being more impatient. The difference was that opposing pitchers were not afraid to throw him lots of strikes (his percentage of pitches seen in the zone was 3rd highest among qualified hitters last year). That seems impossible to pin on the coaching or player development staff. After all, Betts punished those pitchers by putting up a .291/.341/.479 line. Bogaerts and Bradley are better examples of players who may have been encouraged by the coaching/player development staff to be more aggressive. But those guys tried a more patient approach in 2014, and it utterly failed for both of them because of their contact issues. They were both much better hitters last year with a more aggressive approach. Jesus, I read that Betts stuff incorrectly before and thought you said he chases a lot. That's fair, I'm being too hard on the Betts end. I dont agree with the way we rushed JBJ and changed Bogaerts so drastically when he simply wasn't ready for the majors yet in 2014. Can't complain with his 4 WAR campaign last year though. Regardless though, I'm not pessimistic about Betts or Bogaerts long term.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 19, 2016 20:42:41 GMT -5
I'm happy that I'll not see Chris Young for a few days!
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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2016 20:43:41 GMT -5
The game has changed. The strike zone is historically huge (recent history anyway). You're better off if you don't have Harper power is to take swings early in counts because those are going to be the best pitches to hit most of the time. Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Anthony Rizzo and Jorge Soler all have solid BB rates this season; Theo isn't struggling with this. Kris Bryant's walk and strikeout rates went from 14.5%/27.3% in his last full minor league season to 11.7%/29.8% in the majors. Addison Russell: 6.7%/18.8% to 8.4%/27.6% Soler: 14.0%/20.3% to 7.9%/28.0%
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2016 20:44:30 GMT -5
I'm happy that I'll not see Chris Young for a few days! "We're going to keep playing him until he gets going."
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Post by radiohix on Apr 19, 2016 20:44:34 GMT -5
LOL, did anyone see the camera shot of the guy flippin' the bird with both hands at the end of that inning?
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Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2016 20:47:01 GMT -5
Smyly has been phenomenal and tomorrow we get Archer. Praying for a lucky pop fly HR into the monster in the bottom half here.
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Post by ianrs on Apr 19, 2016 20:47:17 GMT -5
The core of this bullpen is going to be so burnt out by September if Carson Smith doesn't stay healthy and Farrell remains in charge.
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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2016 20:48:19 GMT -5
I dont agree with the way we rushed JBJ and changed Bogaerts so drastically when he simply wasn't ready for the majors yet in 2014. Without the power of hindsight, neither of those players could be described as being "rushed" going into 2014. They had both carved up the upper minors statistically (both were coming off 250+ PA stretches of 130+ wRC+ hitting in Pawtucket the year before) and scouted well.
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Post by thursty on Apr 19, 2016 20:49:13 GMT -5
Closers with poor control
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 20:49:23 GMT -5
Oh lord, that's going to leave a mark.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 19, 2016 20:49:28 GMT -5
This guy has no idea where his pitchs are going.
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Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2016 20:50:25 GMT -5
I dont agree with the way we rushed JBJ and changed Bogaerts so drastically when he simply wasn't ready for the majors yet in 2014. Without the power of hindsight, neither of those players could be described as being "rushed" going into 2014. They had both carved up the upper minors statistically (both were coming off 250+ PA stretches of 130+ wRC+ hitting in Pawtucket the year before) and scouted well. Bogaerts, agreed. Bradley I wasn't referring to 2014 (my post was wordy, my bad). I meant 2013, which totally derailed him for quite a while.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 19, 2016 20:50:54 GMT -5
Please God.......Sox Prospects won't be able to handle another one....Time is needed for re-calibration of emotions after last night.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 20:51:37 GMT -5
This guy has no idea where his pitchs are going. This is what max effort pitchers look like.
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Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2016 20:51:41 GMT -5
You can't slide past the bag, so he should be out, no? I don't think it was malicious at all, but that's the rule now to my understanding.
I guess he could be considered in reach there though.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 20:52:43 GMT -5
I hate this slide rule on close plays. It should only be called when players are 10 feet out of the basebaths like Utley was.
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Post by bosox81 on Apr 19, 2016 20:53:22 GMT -5
Remy keeps saying that Jennings made no contact with Bogaerts, but should that matter? I don't think so.
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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2016 20:54:55 GMT -5
Without the power of hindsight, neither of those players could be described as being "rushed" going into 2014. They had both carved up the upper minors statistically (both were coming off 250+ PA stretches of 130+ wRC+ hitting in Pawtucket the year before) and scouted well. Bogaerts, agreed. Bradley I wasn't referring to 2014 (my post was wordy, my bad). I meant 2013, which totally derailed him for quite a while. Bradley was definitely rushed going into 2013, but then they optioned him to the minors and he raked in AAA. By 2014, everyone thought he was the heir apparent to Ellsbury and no one was concerned about his being "derailed" by his 50 PA cameo in 2013.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2016 20:56:13 GMT -5
I still can't figure out the rule but it sure looked like a player who was out was trying to influence the outcome of the play.
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