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Post by bosox81 on Apr 19, 2016 19:59:26 GMT -5
Great job by Hanley there.
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Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2016 20:07:21 GMT -5
The Farrell regime has turned Bogaerts and Betts from patient hitters to completely undisciplined. Horrible job with them and Bradley IMO. Ok, I don't like Farrell either. But we don't know enough to say that. Well I'm not blaming Farrell for it. By regime I meant more his coaches/staff.
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 19, 2016 20:10:52 GMT -5
Mookie has been terrible.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 19, 2016 20:11:20 GMT -5
Ok, I don't like Farrell either. But we don't know enough to say that. Well I'm not blaming Farrell for it. By regime I meant more his coaches/staff. Do you really think they're coaching them not to be patient? Seems very un-Red Sox.
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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2016 20:12:55 GMT -5
To be fair, it is much, much harder to run up plus walk rates in the majors than it is in the minors. In the minors, if you just take pitches, you can rack up solid walk rates because guys just don't have the control to throw strikes consistently.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 19, 2016 20:13:57 GMT -5
Everyone was loving Bogaerts and Betts after the seasons they had last year, but I guess the coaches decided to break them during the offseason?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 19, 2016 20:14:39 GMT -5
Just walked through Van Ness and Lansdowne streets, very odd that lots of people are already leaving.
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Post by thursty on Apr 19, 2016 20:14:54 GMT -5
To be fair, it is much, much harder to run up plus walk rates in the majors than it is in the minors. In the minors, if you just take pitches, you can rack up solid walk rates because guys just don't have the control to throw strikes consistently. That's true, but facile. It's approach, not lack of skill translating to majors. He announced it last spring
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Post by bosox on Apr 19, 2016 20:14:57 GMT -5
Mookie's swing rates aren't actually up at all as compared to last year. Instead, he's just swinging and missing a ton at pitches outside the zone. Is that because they are pitching him differently (taking away the inside fastball) and he isn't patiently adjusting? Or just swinging and missing those pitches this year whereas last year he either fouled them off or made contact?
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Post by thursty on Apr 19, 2016 20:17:30 GMT -5
Bogaerts has been just as bad, and Bradley only a tick better
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Post by bosox on Apr 19, 2016 20:20:47 GMT -5
You can't miss your pitch with this guy. You won't see another good pitch the rest of the at bat.
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Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2016 20:22:11 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything about them being good or bad, but Betts and Bogaerts have went from patient to impatient at he major league level. It's just a fact. It's definitely harder, but both have also made it abundantly clear that being much more aggressive was their strategy. It was a fact last year too. Obviously they're hitting worse than they will later this season, but I'd also prefer they find their old approaches somewhere down the line.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2016 20:22:28 GMT -5
Drew Smiley is a sorcerer.
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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2016 20:22:43 GMT -5
Mookie's swing rates aren't actually up at all as compared to last year. Instead, he's just swinging and missing a ton at pitches outside the zone. Is that because they are pitching him differently (taking away the inside fastball) and he isn't patiently adjusting? Or just swinging and missing those pitches this year whereas last year he either fouled them off or made contact? The latter. It looks like they're still pitching him pretty similarly (a lot of pitches away).
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Post by radiohix on Apr 19, 2016 20:24:10 GMT -5
You can't miss your pitch with this guy. You won't see another good pitch the rest of the at bat. They missed a bases loaded no outs opportunity so if they lose, they've earned it.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 19, 2016 20:24:16 GMT -5
Is that because they are pitching him differently (taking away the inside fastball) and he isn't patiently adjusting? Or just swinging and missing those pitches this year whereas last year he either fouled them off or made contact? The latter. It looks like they're still pitching him pretty similarly (a lot of pitches away). Points to it probably just being a cold streak no?
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Post by huskies15 on Apr 19, 2016 20:26:33 GMT -5
I'll say this about Bogie and Betts right now, they look jumpy and impatient. Pitchers don't have to throw strikes to them because they seem like they're up there guessing.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Apr 19, 2016 20:29:10 GMT -5
The latter. It looks like they're still pitching him pretty similarly (a lot of pitches away). Points to it probably just being a cold streak no? Maybe, but it's three simultaneous cold streaks in three players who showed above average plate discipline as minor leaguers, showed lower than expected plate discipline last year, even as things were going well, and have seen their plate discipline completely collapse this year. I wouldn't rule out deeper systemic problems within the organization so quickly. EDIT: oops, meant to reply to jmei's post; sorry for any confusion.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 20:32:15 GMT -5
Mookie's swing rates aren't actually up at all as compared to last year. Instead, he's just swinging and missing a ton at pitches outside the zone. Is that because they are pitching him differently (taking away the inside fastball) and he isn't patiently adjusting? Or just swinging and missing those pitches this year whereas last year he either fouled them off or made contact? They are pitching Mookie like they pitched Xander in 2014. Now it's Mookie's time to adjust. I think he'll do it quicker than Xander did.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 20:34:55 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything about them being good or bad, but Betts and Bogaerts have went from patient to impatient at he major league level. It's just a fact. It's definitely harder, but both have also made it abundantly clear that being much more aggressive was their strategy. It was a fact last year too. Obviously they're hitting worse than they will later this season, but I'd also prefer they find their old approaches somewhere down the line. The game has changed. The strike zone is historically huge (recent history anyway). You're better off if you don't have Harper power is to take swings early in counts because those are going to be the best pitches to hit most of the time.
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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2016 20:35:40 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything about them being good or bad, but Betts and Bogaerts have went from patient to impatient at he major league level. It's just a fact. It's definitely harder, but both have also made it abundantly clear that being much more aggressive was their strategy. It was a fact last year too. Obviously they're hitting worse than they will later this season, but I'd also prefer they find their old approaches somewhere down the line. Betts was one of the most patient hitters in the league last year. He overall swing rate was 13th lowest among the 141 qualified hitters in the league, and both his swing rates on pitches inside the zone (4th lowest) and pitches outside the zone (27th lowest) were among the lowest in the league. As mentioned earlier, his swing rates this year are generally similar. The difference was not Betts being more impatient. The difference was that opposing pitchers were not afraid to throw him lots of strikes (his percentage of pitches seen in the zone was 3rd highest among qualified hitters last year). That seems impossible to pin on the coaching or player development staff. After all, Betts punished those pitchers by putting up a .291/.341/.479 line. Bogaerts and Bradley are better examples of players who may have been encouraged by the coaching/player development staff to be more aggressive. But those guys tried a more patient approach in 2014, and it utterly failed for both of them because of their contact issues. They were both much better hitters last year with a more aggressive approach.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 19, 2016 20:36:27 GMT -5
Every April I'm surprised by how good Tazawa is when he's not gassed.
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Post by bosox81 on Apr 19, 2016 20:37:10 GMT -5
Longoria looked very bad there. Worse than Betts or Bogaerts have looked all year.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Apr 19, 2016 20:37:26 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything about them being good or bad, but Betts and Bogaerts have went from patient to impatient at he major league level. It's just a fact. It's definitely harder, but both have also made it abundantly clear that being much more aggressive was their strategy. It was a fact last year too. Obviously they're hitting worse than they will later this season, but I'd also prefer they find their old approaches somewhere down the line. The game has changed. The strike zone is historically huge (recent history anyway). You're better off if you don't have Harper power is to take swings early in counts because those are going to be the best pitches to hit most of the time. Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Anthony Rizzo and Jorge Soler all have solid BB rates this season; Theo isn't struggling with this.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 20:37:37 GMT -5
Red Sox middle relief pitchers are as good as Smyly tonight.
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