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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 31, 2016 12:32:57 GMT -5
We need to move on from Durant. I would say 0%. Sure Danny can try, but I just don't see it. Now if they got beat by Spurs in 5 games maybe Durant would have left. Not after how they played in playoffs, they are one of better teams in league and have young players that can get better like Adams, Kanter, and Waiters.
Is it just me or does Bradley seem like the missing piece for the Thunder? Add his D and shooting to that team and I bet they beat Warriors.
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Post by wcp3 on May 31, 2016 13:41:18 GMT -5
Durant will most likely resign with OKC for one year, but if he's smart he bails after that.
Presti stinks as a GM - after Doc, no one has failed more to put a competent cast around an elite young core more than Presti. Going from Harden to Kevin Martin to Jeremy Lamb to Dion freakin' Waiters is remarkable.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 31, 2016 13:54:55 GMT -5
Durant will most likely resign with OKC for one year, but if he's smart he bails after that. Presti stinks as a GM - after Doc, no one has failed more to put a competent cast around an elite young core more than Presti. Going from Harden to Kevin Martin to Jeremy Lamb to Dion freakin' Waiters is remarkable. I blame ownership more than Presti. If Ownership would have been willing to pay tax they would have never traded Harden. It's like blaming Billy Beane for trading all his good players. He had too because he only has a limited budget. Presti did draft and develop Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Jackson and Adams. Thats a very good track record. |
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Post by wcp3 on May 31, 2016 14:07:57 GMT -5
Presti's a phenomenal drafter, but he's done a really bad job filling out a championship roster. And he's had years to do it.
I don't blame him for having to trade Harden, but his moves since then have not been very good.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 1, 2016 7:02:45 GMT -5
I hate myself for feeding into this but, according to WEEI and NBC Sports, Durant's agent met with the Celtics and provided a list of players that KD would want to play with.
It's going to be a long month or two.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 2, 2016 10:49:14 GMT -5
Durant isn't going anywhere this year unless there is something we don't know behind the scenes but this years meetings are building blocks for next year
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 2, 2016 10:53:18 GMT -5
I'm a Duke fan and love Okafor but I don't know how great a fit he is here but maybe he's a better asset than the number 3 so it's a quality get. Truthfully, I'm not up on his mid ranged game development and he wasn't a good FT shooter. So how good is a big who is a poor FT shooter and plays poor defense? Yea he adds an element offensively to your half court game that you don't have right now so that's good but overall how is the fit?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2016 11:51:16 GMT -5
Okafor had a 68.6 FT% for a rookie big man, which I think is pretty good.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 3, 2016 9:29:44 GMT -5
Philly and Atlanta reportedly in talks on a deal involving Noel and Teague. Could impact Boston on 2 fronts:
1. If Philly trades Noel, less likely they'll also move Okafor.
2. If Atlanta acquires Noel, what does that mean for Horford?
Also, Marquese Chriss does seem to be climbing up mock drafts as DX has him going #3 to Boston and Ford has him at #4 to Phoenix (but also mentions that Boston could be interested).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 3, 2016 14:47:07 GMT -5
Chriss scares me to death at #3. Ford has lost his mind has us taking Dunn and says we can trade Thomas. That makes zero sense!
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 3, 2016 15:08:52 GMT -5
Chriss scares me to death at #3. Ford has lost his mind has us taking Dunn and says we can trade Thomas. That makes zero sense! It may not be the best fit, but I do think Dunn has a really good chance of being the third best player in this draft. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 3, 2016 15:26:32 GMT -5
Conceptually, I don't think it's THAT insane. Dunn could be the 3rd best player so taking him makes sense (don't draft on need).
Thomas' contract IS very tradeable and if they have the pieces in place and trading Thomas (plus other pieces) can give you an overall upgrade . . . well.
I think the chances of it happening are close to zero but that's bc Danny would have to make too many other moves (FAs and Trades) for it to make sense. But, in a vacuum, it's not outlandish.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 3, 2016 16:03:07 GMT -5
I have no problem with taking Dunn if he's best player available. It's the you draft Dunn and trade Thomas part that makes me think he just went crazy.
Thomas is that one piece that you could say other players want to play with, has been recruiting players already. He also is only player on team that can always create offense which even with him is a large need. Unless you can package him for a star(unlikely), I don't think too many trades will make sense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 3, 2016 16:04:05 GMT -5
The Lakers could throw a curve ball if they really like Bender and know they are going to sign Rozen.... Rozen, Ingram and Clarkson don't make a ton of sense so it's not inconceivable they pass on Ingram and the Celtics get him. Lower chance I'd think they trade it first but it's possible.
I prefer the Celtics take this pick to trading it in any of the scenarios I've seen. Patience... Next years the year to make the move in my opinion.
I don't want to give up the 3, 16 Bradley and Rozier for Butler like some of suggested.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 3, 2016 23:02:11 GMT -5
Any reports on Lakers liking Bender or just your thoughts?
Also doesn't Ingram plays SF, Rozen SG and Clarkson PG, so they seem to fit.
We sure could get a lot more in a trade if Ingram falls, but that would really shock me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 4, 2016 6:11:18 GMT -5
There are some loose reports. www.lakersnation.com/lakers-could-select-dragan-bender-with-second-overall-draft-pick/2016/05/23/DeRozen is a wing 6'7... SG/SF Clarkson is a PG/SG Russell is a PG Ingram could fit especially in today's positionless NBA.... Can't obviously look at guys as the 5 traditional positions. Game doesn't quite work that way which is why a guy like Crowder is gold. He can guard so many different players that versatility is why the Celtics won't trade him. Back to the draft. The Lakers took Russell last year at 2 when Okafor was a need and a favorite to go second. If any franchise will do what they think is right it's them. Philly might think Dunn is the best fit and best player but they won't take him number 1 bc they don't have the backbone to do so. That being said if the Lakers want Bender that bad maybe we should too or maybe we can work a trade with them for that second pick. The 3 and 16 for 2 or 3 and our 2018 1 for 2. No trades for veterans acquire more young talent. Jimmy Butler at 27 is not what I want. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 4, 2016 7:30:37 GMT -5
BI's Steve Kyler said that he spoke to 2 execs (that have, historically, had a good idea of the players that Ainge liked) said that Boston doesn't love Bender and is interested in Chriss.
There has been some chatter that Stevens extension may have been to convince him to wait a bit longer for the "big moves".
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 4, 2016 9:00:59 GMT -5
No way should they trade the Brooklyn 2018 first rounder.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 4, 2016 11:30:11 GMT -5
Not a huge fan of Chriss and people who soar in the draft boards this close to the draft usually scare me.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 4, 2016 12:25:42 GMT -5
Chriss scares me also, but Ford has been high on him for months. Seems rest of sites are just catching up. He is a modern day big. Super athletic and can really shoot the ball and he can block shots. He's raw though and doesn't rebound well at all for 6'10'' super athletic big. He also needs to learn how to play D as he fouls a TON, over 4 in under 25 mins a game. He fouled out of 15 games, 6 straight at one point.
I will trust Danny if Chriss is the pick, but would like him to look into deals with Suns for Bender. If they want him I bet we can get them to swap 13 for 16 or something like that.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 4, 2016 12:43:01 GMT -5
I wonder if they can get Bender and Chriss. Obviously take Bender at 3 if no trade presents itself. I understand Chriss is rising, but I haven't seen a mock that he goes higher than 8th. Would a team like Denver or Sacramento take a package of 16, 23, and 35 for the 7th/8th pick? Maybe not, but I'd feel a heckuva a lot better drafting Bender as a stash, with another lottery pick behind him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 4, 2016 13:00:00 GMT -5
Draft express has Chriss at 3 and Chad Ford has him at 4. From all reports I've seen Bender is coming over next year, not a draft and stash guy. You never know but Bender and Chriss going 3/4 in any order seems highly likely to me at this point. Both players fill teams biggest needs and both are seen as having some of highest upside in Draft.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 4, 2016 13:30:59 GMT -5
Fair enough. I should've added that Chriss isn't the only guy I'd target to move up for. The players at 3-9 are all pretty close in my limited basketball expertise. As for the "stash" description, maybe long term project was a better phrase.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 4, 2016 15:43:02 GMT -5
My thoughts have gone back and forth about who should be the #3 pick. But at the end of the day, Dunn is the best player available at 3 and I think he is the only player after Simmons/Ingram with star potential. He reminds me alot of Dwayne Wade. Won't ever be a great 3pt shooter, but he's explosive and made a lot of tricky stepback/midrange fallaways last year. He is so much more talented than Marcus Smart, and would be a great fit with Isiah Thomas and could conceivably play the three with two of Thomas and Bradley. Marcus Smart simply ain't that great at basketball.
I initially liked the idea of drafting Chriss. What an offensive talent. Then I watched youtube. Gives zero effort on defense. Very poor defensive rebounder. I cannot stand big men who dont rebound or play defense.
I think Hield will be a good NBA player. There is no way he is any worse than JJ Redick. I would not be furious if he was the pick.
Despite being 7'1 and having a very versatile skill set, I dont think you can dream much on Bender. How many rotation guys can one team have?
Draft Dunn.
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Post by malynn19 on Jun 4, 2016 15:58:39 GMT -5
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