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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 3, 2016 18:53:28 GMT -5
It's an easy cure, don't open it. Seriously, stop replying to me. I've already done it until now. OK, will do. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 3, 2016 20:35:17 GMT -5
Jmei do you really think there are 30 #1 pitchers every year? You really think because a guy ranked 31-60 in one given year that makes him a #2 pitcher? For me a lot of #2 will be in that top 30 any given year due to injuries, players having bad years and the fact that there aren't 30 #1, #2 and #3 starters every year. It's the Wade Miley debate, sure last year he ranked as a #3 pitcher, but for me that doesn't make him one. He's a 4\5 to me all day long. I'd argue that his consistency both in quality and quantity (200 IP) moves him up to a #3 on a average staff. Alot of people seem to under-rate innings eaters. |
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 3, 2016 20:40:16 GMT -5
I think to improve the team, ideally you would go back in time and use the 72.5 million used to sign Rusney Castillo to sign Andrew Miller and then Darren O'Day, then have Margot as your current LF (or have used a similar trade package for a starter). Also go back to release Clay Buchholz and sign Rich Hill instead. Ah, hindsight. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 3, 2016 20:41:52 GMT -5
It's the Wade Miley debate, sure last year he ranked as a #3 pitcher, but for me that doesn't make him one. He's a 4\5 to me all day long. I'd argue that his consistency both in quality and quantity (200 IP) moves him up to a #3 on a average staff. Alot of people seem to under-rate innings eaters. I do feel a little comforted watching Miley give up 9ER last start. I don't want him to get hurt (I don't dislike him as a person) but I feel less bad for the Carson Smith trade. Besides, there's plenty enough bad feeling from the Kimbrel trade (and the Lackey trade) to not even have to think about the Miley one. |
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Post by ianrs on Jun 3, 2016 20:44:23 GMT -5
How is Anthony Varvaro not on the roster? This. Either he or Kyle Martin needs to be occupying Noe Ramirez roster spot. Simple fix. I honestly probably bring up both of them and DFA Layne too. |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 3, 2016 22:08:37 GMT -5
I don't see the point in DFA the one secondary RP that is actually elite at something.
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Post by jmei on Jun 4, 2016 6:53:39 GMT -5
I don't see the point in DFA the one secondary RP that is actually elite at something. What is Layne elite at? |
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 4, 2016 7:36:41 GMT -5
I don't see the point in DFA the one secondary RP that is actually elite at something. What is Layne elite at? Being left handed? |
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 4, 2016 9:38:33 GMT -5
Sox bullpen rank:
11 ERA-
11 FIP-
13 xFIP-
12 SIERA
11 RE24 (change in Run Expectancy)
11 WPA/LI
24 Clutch
16 WPA (change in Win Expectancy)
RE24 versus the deeper metrics tells you whether they've been good or bad depending on base/out situations. Sox relievers have been neutral or a little above average.
WPA versus RE24 tells you how they fare according to the inning/score situation. Everyone on the staff but Ross has been worse with the game tight and close than when it's not, and the effect is magnified by JF not matching his pitchers to the tightness of the game.
The starters are 12th in WPA/LI but 29th in Clutch and are hence 19th in WPA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 14:32:28 GMT -5
The cost of pitching being what it is, I wonder if the Red Sox should go out and get another big bat at the deadline and try to slug their way to a World Series. Carlos Gonzalez is a name I've seen mentioned on some sites. I'm not sure the Sox could acquire him without giving up one of the Big Four, though.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 4, 2016 17:34:45 GMT -5
San Diego Fire sale has begun. Wake up Dave!
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Post by larrycook on Jun 4, 2016 19:46:06 GMT -5
Speculation is the braves GM would have to be overwhelmed by an offer to move Tehran.
I think wisler might have more upside. But being younger, might cost more.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 4, 2016 21:09:15 GMT -5
Speculation is the braves GM would have to be overwhelmed by an offer to move Tehran. I think wisler might have more upside. But being younger, might cost more. Good 'cause Teheran is a mediocre pitcher. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 4, 2016 21:24:54 GMT -5
Speculation is the braves GM would have to be overwhelmed by an offer to move Tehran. I think wisler might have more upside. But being younger, might cost more. Good 'cause Teheran is a mediocre pitcher. I'm not disagreeing, but if we fix up our #5 starters, maybe they can be mediocre pitchers. I would sleep soundly at night knowing that we had a "mediocre" pitcher to go with Price/Wright/Porcello/Rodriguez. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 4, 2016 21:35:41 GMT -5
Could 1B be on the shopping list and if not, why? Hanley won hearts early in the season with a cheerier demeanor and 1B defense that was not the total disaster his LF performance was. But about a third of the way through the season, the guy playing the position second from the left on the defensive spectrum has a 97 wRC-plus. Fangraphs has him at .3 WAR, so ~1 over a full season.
His loss of power has been astounding. He's slugging .393 with an ISO of .112. And things could actually get worse. He's got a BABIP of .346.
If Swihart is Ok, he's probably a decent bet to give us a wRC-plus of at least 100 out of LF the rest of the year. Hanley on the other hand is a few bad games away from getting down to the 89 wRC-plus area where he ended up last season. Maybe an upgrade at 1B should come above an upgrade at LF on D-Dom's list.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 4, 2016 21:57:31 GMT -5
Good 'cause Teheran is a mediocre pitcher. I'm not disagreeing, but if we fix up our #5 starters, maybe they can be mediocre pitchers. I would sleep soundly at night knowing that we had a "mediocre" pitcher to go with Price/Wright/Porcello/Rodriguez. Sure, I'd like to have a tic below avg pitcher as my number 5 but not for the price the Braves will be asking for Teheran. |
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Post by classylefthander on Jun 5, 2016 0:00:16 GMT -5
Could 1B be on the shopping list and if not, why? Hanley won hearts early in the season with a cheerier demeanor and 1B defense that was not the total disaster his LF performance was. But about a third of the way through the season, the guy playing the position second from the left on the defensive spectrum has a 97 wRC-plus. Fangraphs has him at .3 WAR, so ~1 over a full season. His loss of power has been astounding. He's slugging .393 with an ISO of .112. And things could actually get worse. He's got a BABIP of .346. If Swihart is Ok, he's probably a decent bet to give us a wRC-plus of at least 100 out of LF the rest of the year. Hanley on the other hand is a few bad games away from getting down to the 89 wRC-plus area where he ended up last season. Maybe an upgrade at 1B should come above an upgrade at LF on D-Dom's list. His contact percentage is a career low, particularly 0-contact. Either the shoulder injury has weakened him, or he is slowing down due to age, and cheating, but getting caught out front more often. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 5, 2016 7:36:00 GMT -5
Could 1B be on the shopping list and if not, why? Hanley won hearts early in the season with a cheerier demeanor and 1B defense that was not the total disaster his LF performance was. But about a third of the way through the season, the guy playing the position second from the left on the defensive spectrum has a 97 wRC-plus. Fangraphs has him at .3 WAR, so ~1 over a full season. His loss of power has been astounding. He's slugging .393 with an ISO of .112. And things could actually get worse. He's got a BABIP of .346. If Swihart is Ok, he's probably a decent bet to give us a wRC-plus of at least 100 out of LF the rest of the year. Hanley on the other hand is a few bad games away from getting down to the 89 wRC-plus area where he ended up last season. Maybe an upgrade at 1B should come above an upgrade at LF on D-Dom's list. His contact percentage is a career low, particularly 0-contact. Either the shoulder injury has weakened him, or he is slowing down due to age, and cheating, but getting caught out front more often. I think he's hurt. He did something a week or so ago in a game. I can't remember what it was - against Colorado, I think. He hasn't looked the same since. |
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Post by bookiemetts on Jun 5, 2016 12:26:47 GMT -5
Well I don't know how they can get pitching without giving up major prospects this season. I do have one idea to maybe kill two birds with one stone next season though, and this guy probably deserves his own thread. I know this is probably "delusional Sox fan" thinking and I've been obsessed with his highlights recently, but for reference:
155 km/h = 96.3 mph
156 km/h = 96.9 mph
157 km/h = 97.6 mph
158 km/h = 98.2 mph
159 km/h = 98.8 mph
That splitter is nasty too.
Also, this season he is hitting .360/.442/.742 with 9 homers in 104 PA.
Then there's this: "Source: #sluggingAce Shohei Otani might be interested in moving to #mlb IF teams see him as BOTH pitcher and batter"
Again I'm probably crazy, but would any MLB team be willing to pitch and DH him? I've always loved multi-sport and position players so this is exciting to me.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 5, 2016 12:43:24 GMT -5
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Post by telluricrook on Jun 5, 2016 14:53:28 GMT -5
We can talk about sonny gray again. Looked good against houston 5IP 5H 1R 1BB 5K. 69 pitches
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 5, 2016 20:43:13 GMT -5
Again I'm probably crazy, but would any MLB team be willing to pitch and DH him? You mean for the half a dozen games a year his team plays in AL parks? Maaaaaybe but probably not.  |
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Post by larrycook on Jun 5, 2016 23:04:16 GMT -5
We can talk about sonny gray again. Looked good against houston 5IP 5H 1R 1BB 5K. 69 pitches Absolutely! Probably need to see a few more starts but he is still on my target list. |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 6, 2016 8:20:51 GMT -5
We can talk about sonny gray again. Looked good against houston 5IP 5H 1R 1BB 5K. 69 pitches Absolutely! Probably need to see a few more starts but he is still on my target list. Every good start Gray makes will cost us that more in prospects to get him. The problem this year, as least as of now, there are only a small handful of teams that are "out of it". They know it & can ask for the moon for their best players because there are 25 teams needing help. |
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Post by mannofsteele on Jun 6, 2016 8:28:20 GMT -5
Has there been any update in Holland's recovery/time table post TJ? He'd potentially be a good pick up for the second half, to ease into the pen to mix in less use of Koji.
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