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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 6, 2016 10:26:59 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2016 11:18:55 GMT -5
Has there been any update in Holland's recovery/time table post TJ? He'd potentially be a good pick up for the second half, to ease into the pen to mix in less use of Koji. My sense is there will be a lot of relief pitching for sale leading up to the deadline whether Holland and a buy low opportunity is or is not available, as well.
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 6, 2016 11:41:22 GMT -5
This team is 4-15 when scoring 4 runs or less. And that's with a 3-2 record when scoring 4 runs. The Pitching Staff needs a MAJOR Overhaul. 2 legit Starters and at least 3, probably 4 Relief Pitchers are needed to be true contenders for a World Series Title.
Trading for Pitching might be tough because now there are 2 valuable trade pieces gone; Sam Travis & Blake Swihart
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Post by larrycook on Jun 6, 2016 13:19:06 GMT -5
This team is 4-15 when scoring 4 runs or less. And that's with a 3-2 record when scoring 4 runs. The Pitching Staff needs a MAJOR Overhaul. 2 legit Starters and at least 3, probably 4 Relief Pitchers are needed to be true contenders for a World Series Title. Trading for Pitching might be tough because now there are 2 valuable trade pieces gone; Sam Travis & Blake Swihart Tough to find two legit starters that we could trade for. Might take some outside the box thinking by dombrowski and the staff to get that done. But it will probably be painful.
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Post by nomar on Jun 6, 2016 14:01:41 GMT -5
I would like to see us buy low on Oswaldo Arcia and try to shorten up his swing in AAA. Jackie Bradley has shown us that it takes some guys a long time to adjust. The Twins have struggled to develop their OF into major league contributors between Hicks, Buxton, Arcia, and Rosario. Arcia has a big bat, and shouldn't cost much at all. He's a lottery ticket that could give us a big lefty bat. Ortiz is retiring and Hanley is struggling. It's time to take some fliers.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 6, 2016 14:23:02 GMT -5
This team is 4-15 when scoring 4 runs or less. And that's with a 3-2 record when scoring 4 runs. The Pitching Staff needs a MAJOR Overhaul. 2 legit Starters and at least 3, probably 4 Relief Pitchers are needed to be true contenders for a World Series Title. Trading for Pitching might be tough because now there are 2 valuable trade pieces gone; Sam Travis & Blake Swihart I believe there will be a slew of relief pitchers out there by the deadline & before. Unless they are elite, they can be fickle. Look around at the 8th inning guys, 1/2 of them have had bad years. Now SP you can get creative. Maybe trading for a big contract like Grienke with AZ possibly having buyers remorse.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2016 14:52:56 GMT -5
This team is 4-15 when scoring 4 runs or less. And that's with a 3-2 record when scoring 4 runs. The Pitching Staff needs a MAJOR Overhaul. 2 legit Starters and at least 3, probably 4 Relief Pitchers are needed to be true contenders for a World Series Title. Trading for Pitching might be tough because now there are 2 valuable trade pieces gone; Sam Travis & Blake Swihart Can you please stick to reality? The Red Sox are not trading for 6 pitchers.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 6, 2016 14:59:08 GMT -5
This team is 4-15 when scoring 4 runs or less. And that's with a 3-2 record when scoring 4 runs. The Pitching Staff needs a MAJOR Overhaul. 2 legit Starters and at least 3, probably 4 Relief Pitchers are needed to be true contenders for a World Series Title. Trading for Pitching might be tough because now there are 2 valuable trade pieces gone; Sam Travis & Blake Swihart That's just a ludicrous statement. Four relievers? Two starters? Where do you intend to put them all? DFA Rodriguez? Banish Barnes and Hembree to one of the lesser hells? Strap Buchholz to a rocket and launch him to Mercury? They need the first four starters they have to pitch well (which really only Wright has done), and maybe one quality relief arm. And no, Jered Weaver is not a viable option.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 6, 2016 15:03:02 GMT -5
I would like to see us buy low on Oswaldo Arcia and try to shorten up his swing in AAA. Jackie Bradley has shown us that it takes some guys a long time to adjust. The Twins have struggled to develop their OF into major league contributors between Hicks, Buxton, Arcia, and Rosario. Arcia has a big bat, and shouldn't cost much at all. He's a lottery ticket that could give us a big lefty bat. Ortiz is retiring and Hanley is struggling. It's time to take some fliers. I think he's a good buy-low candidate. I think that's a smart approach in general, to find guys with requisite skills who've struggled with adjustments. Ortiz is a prime example. A lot won't pan out, but some will, in a big way, and the cost is low. I wish they'd do that more often with pitchers.
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Post by nomar on Jun 6, 2016 15:12:11 GMT -5
I would like to see us buy low on Oswaldo Arcia and try to shorten up his swing in AAA. Jackie Bradley has shown us that it takes some guys a long time to adjust. The Twins have struggled to develop their OF into major league contributors between Hicks, Buxton, Arcia, and Rosario. Arcia has a big bat, and shouldn't cost much at all. He's a lottery ticket that could give us a big lefty bat. Ortiz is retiring and Hanley is struggling. It's time to take some fliers. I think he's a good buy-low candidate. I think that's a smart approach in general, to find guys with requisite skills who've struggled with adjustments. Ortiz is a prime example. A lot won't pan out, but some will, in a big way, and the cost is low. I wish they'd do that more often with pitchers. Agreed. Javier Baez is also falling on his face again. I'd take him in a heartbeat too. He brings versatility at bare minimum and still has a great ceiling. Maybe Theo is growing impatient with him. This would be a harder move to make but just throwing it out there. Pitchers who interest me: Finnegan, Wisler, Gausman,Archie Bradley, Corbin
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 6, 2016 17:05:51 GMT -5
2 legit Starters and at least 3, probably 4 Relief Pitchers are needed to be true contenders for a World Series Title. The Royals won the World Series 8 months ago without one legit starter.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 6, 2016 17:15:11 GMT -5
2 legit Starters and at least 3, probably 4 Relief Pitchers are needed to be true contenders for a World Series Title. The Royals won the World Series 8 months ago without one legit starter. A big reason they won the World Series was because they identified they didn't have enough starting pitching and gave up a pretty good haul to get one at midseason. www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA201510280.shtml
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 6, 2016 17:18:00 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Jun 6, 2016 17:35:15 GMT -5
I think he's a good buy-low candidate. I think that's a smart approach in general, to find guys with requisite skills who've struggled with adjustments. Ortiz is a prime example. A lot won't pan out, but some will, in a big way, and the cost is low. I wish they'd do that more often with pitchers. Agreed. Javier Baez is also falling on his face again. I'd take him in a heartbeat too. He brings versatility at bare minimum and still has a great ceiling. Maybe Theo is growing impatient with him. This would be a harder move to make but just throwing it out there. Pitchers who interest me: Finnegan, Wisler, Gausman,Archie Bradley, Corbin I have the same feeling about Baez, although I don't know if Theo can really be finagled into a fair deal. I also have major concerns about Baez's pitch recognition, which would be essentially unfixable. But the bat speed is elite, and he's got lots of tools including a cannon arm. I especially like Gausman (tough get from the O's, who've been burned on Arrtieta and possibly ERod), and Bradley. Not sure what's up with Bradley's command/control, and he's had some dings, but the stuff is still there. Frankly, that whole list includes some good buy-low guys. Wish the Sox would take a shot.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 6, 2016 19:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 6, 2016 19:30:36 GMT -5
2 legit Starters and at least 3, probably 4 Relief Pitchers are needed to be true contenders for a World Series Title. The Royals won the World Series 8 months ago without one legit starter. Your right, Cueto was an Ace
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Post by nomar on Jun 6, 2016 19:30:54 GMT -5
Love Alex Cora, but his evaluations of players seem to always be off base (like our star Castillo) and his predictions are just his speculation.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 6, 2016 20:17:43 GMT -5
Cueto was pretty bad in a lot of his starts for KC though.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 6, 2016 21:41:10 GMT -5
I think he's a good buy-low candidate. I think that's a smart approach in general, to find guys with requisite skills who've struggled with adjustments. Ortiz is a prime example. A lot won't pan out, but some will, in a big way, and the cost is low. I wish they'd do that more often with pitchers. Agreed. Javier Baez is also falling on his face again. I'd take him in a heartbeat too. He brings versatility at bare minimum and still has a great ceiling. Maybe Theo is growing impatient with him. This would be a harder move to make but just throwing it out there. Pitchers who interest me: Finnegan, Wisler, Gausman,Archie Bradley, Corbin I don't think Theo's feeling too impatient about anything right now. Maybe about the speech he's going to give at Cooperstown when he's inducted...
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Post by larrycook on Jun 6, 2016 22:18:45 GMT -5
Only 8 of mlb's top 25 prospects are pitchers which makes trading for near major league ready pitching prospect tough.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2016 22:30:42 GMT -5
Cueto was pretty bad in a lot of his starts for KC though. He didn't set the world on fire, but when they needed him to pitch like an ace, he did. He won the deciding game of the ALDS I think, and he was lights out in the 2nd game of the World Series. I think he had one good start against the Jays in the ALCS and one horrendous start. He's certainly pitching like an ace now. I always liked him and hoped the Sox would get him. Given a choice, I certainly would have picked Price over Cueto, but for the annual value, the Giants got a really good deal. If the money hadn't been an object (you can say this for all teams obviously) and the Sox were willing to blow away the salary cap, I would have loved to have seen Price and Cueto signed. But I certainly understand why it was pick one or the other, though. Damn that Sandoval contract!
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Post by slam761 on Jun 6, 2016 23:03:37 GMT -5
If there's any chance Arizona would trade Greinke as Dave Cameron suggested, I'd be all over that. Especially if we could just take most of the contract instead of giving up a lot of talent for him. Of course, this could only happen if the Diamondbacks actually admit that they royally screwed up and need to rebuild, which isn't exactly likely.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 6, 2016 23:17:31 GMT -5
Getting Greinke means no chance to extend the young core talent and attaching too much money to 3 pitchers (2 of them over 30s). That's how you sink a team in the long run.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 7, 2016 0:44:52 GMT -5
Only 8 of mlb's top 25 prospects are pitchers which makes trading for near major league ready pitching prospect tough. The trick is to find one who's struggled. Gausman, Taijuan Walker a year ago, Archie Bradley...guys who've taken some MLB lumps and whose teams are looking for someone more reliable. The Sox have ones in Owens and Johnson...not able to start for contenders, but who have shown good stuff in the past. Imagine if the Sox had called the Indians about Carrasco when he was 26 in AAA, fresh off of being shelled in MLB? Even Rodriguez was bought low, rocketing through the minors and then getting injured and putting up a mid-4 ERA in AA. Same with Escobar, and to an extent, Hembree (as a reliever, which is more volatile). The Sox seem to have hit on 2 of 3. The percentages aren't great, but short of signing/developing your own pitchers, that's the most effective way to get good ones. And if you buy low, odds are you can find someone else to do the same if the guy has good stuff but doesn't put it together for you.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 7, 2016 6:41:05 GMT -5
The Royals won the World Series 8 months ago without one legit starter. A big reason they won the World Series was because they identified they didn't have enough starting pitching and gave up a pretty good haul to get one at midseason. www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA201510280.shtmlAdding one decent starter is not the same as adding "two legit starters and four relievers." I agree that the Red Sox probably need to do the former.
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