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Post by Coreno on Jul 5, 2016 21:18:13 GMT -5
You can complain about the performance all you want but when a player routinely performs a certain way in a certain situation and your manager continues to turn to said player, you have yourself a decision making problem.
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 5, 2016 21:18:14 GMT -5
The game was still very winnable against Sam Dyson.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 5, 2016 21:18:49 GMT -5
i was in favor of the Kimbrel trade....but at this point it definitely hasn't been working out. Same here my man. It hurts doubly because I was a huge Kimbrel homer before he came here. But yeah when he's giving bombs to scrubs like Chirinos it's tough as hell to not get mad.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 5, 2016 21:19:07 GMT -5
Let's check in on Craig Kimbrel: ![](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/6b/ba/3e6bba318483ad5522fe61e15db9537b.jpg) Best. Post. Ever.
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 5, 2016 21:19:48 GMT -5
You can complain about the performance all you want but when a player routinely performs a certain way in a certain situation and your manager continues to turn to said player, you have yourself a decision making problem. Yes. Remind me again? Kimbrel cannot be used in non-save situations. Cannot be used for more than three outs. Cannot be used for a third straight day. Friggin Farrell deserves the blame for this.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 5, 2016 21:22:04 GMT -5
It isn't clear to me why Kimbrel was selected for the ASG to begin with.
But more generally, watching the results the Sox have gotten from their big pitching acquisitions thus far, why would one want to give up prospects for more "good" pitching? Who knows what they'd be like when they arrived here? I'd rather have the uncertainty of what a prospect will develop into than losing prospects and still having the uncertainty of what you'd get in return.
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Post by thursty on Jul 5, 2016 21:22:07 GMT -5
You can complain about the performance all you want but when a player routinely performs a certain way in a certain situation and your manager continues to turn to said player, you have yourself a decision making problem. Yes, the decision-making problem rests with PoBO
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Post by telson13 on Jul 5, 2016 21:22:09 GMT -5
You can complain about the performance all you want but when a player routinely performs a certain way in a certain situation and your manager continues to turn to said player, you have yourself a decision making problem. Yes. Remind me again? Kimbrel cannot be used in non-save situations. Cannot be used for more than three outs. Cannot be used for a third straight day. Friggin Farrell deserves the blame for this. No, he deserves the blame for trying to make every one of those things NOT TRUE, yet proving over and over again that they are. Kimbrel has very limited utility. Farrell is in abject denial of it.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 5, 2016 21:22:59 GMT -5
You can complain about the performance all you want but when a player routinely performs a certain way in a certain situation and your manager continues to turn to said player, you have yourself a decision making problem. In Farrell's defense....Kimbrel is on the record as saying he wants to pitch regularly, and that isn't always a save situation. It really is on him to perform better.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 5, 2016 21:23:14 GMT -5
Eck is speaking so much truth tonight.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 5, 2016 21:23:33 GMT -5
I know I'm going to get blasted for this, but how many times does Kimbrel have to give up a run or runs in a non save situation before Farrell stops putting him in those spots?
I know that Kimbrel is to blame, but honestly how many people were expecting Kimbrel to give up a run(s)? I know it was the first thing I thought when he came in, I'm not going to go back and look but simply from memory, I'd be very surprised if Kimbrel hasn't been scored on over 70% of the time he's pitched in non save situations this year. So at what point does Farrell take some of the blame for continuing to put him in these situations?
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Post by Coreno on Jul 5, 2016 21:24:38 GMT -5
You can complain about the performance all you want but when a player routinely performs a certain way in a certain situation and your manager continues to turn to said player, you have yourself a decision making problem. Yes. Remind me again? Kimbrel cannot be used in non-save situations. Cannot be used for more than three outs. Cannot be used for a third straight day. Friggin Farrell deserves the blame for this. Honestly, that's the case for most closers in MLB these days.
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Post by trotfan on Jul 5, 2016 21:25:04 GMT -5
Worst in game manager ever ...2 games his bonehead decisions cost this team enormous blowouts .How do we upgrade the team ? Fire John tonight .
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 5, 2016 21:25:35 GMT -5
You can complain about the performance all you want but when a player routinely performs a certain way in a certain situation and your manager continues to turn to said player, you have yourself a decision making problem. Yes. Remind me again? Kimbrel cannot be used in non-save situations. Cannot be used for more than three outs. Cannot be used for a third straight day. Friggin Farrell deserves the blame for this. Running a bullpen is much harder than we give it credit for. If you've got a closer who implodes in any non-save situation, it's damn near impossible.
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Post by trotfan on Jul 5, 2016 21:27:44 GMT -5
Worst in game manager ever ...2 games his bonehead decisions cost this team enormous blowouts in less than 5 days tired of it .How do we upgrade the team ? Fire John tonight .
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 5, 2016 21:27:58 GMT -5
Yes. Remind me again? Kimbrel cannot be used in non-save situations. Cannot be used for more than three outs. Cannot be used for a third straight day. Friggin Farrell deserves the blame for this. Honestly, that's the case for most closers in MLB these days. No it isn't (anecdotally, I admit).
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Post by jmei on Jul 5, 2016 21:29:20 GMT -5
Kimbrel hasn't pitched in almost a week. That happens when you have a blowout-prone offense. This was the perfect opportunity to give him some reps in a reasonably high-leverage non-save-opportunity. I have a really, really hard time thinking that this is at all on Farrell.
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Post by bosox on Jul 5, 2016 21:29:44 GMT -5
Yes. Remind me again? Kimbrel cannot be used in non-save situations. Cannot be used for more than three outs. Cannot be used for a third straight day. Friggin Farrell deserves the blame for this. Running a bullpen is much harder than we give it credit for. If you've got a closer who implodes in any non-save situation, it's damn near impossible. You have to have faith that you can use your closer to hold it in the ninth so your team can come back. Whether its a tie or down a run.
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 5, 2016 21:30:54 GMT -5
Yes. Remind me again? Kimbrel cannot be used in non-save situations. Cannot be used for more than three outs. Cannot be used for a third straight day. Friggin Farrell deserves the blame for this. No, he deserves the blame for trying to make every one of those things NOT TRUE, yet proving over and over again that they are. Kimbrel has very limited utility. Farrell is in abject denial of it. Although I've not been very vocal about it I really really really dislike Farrell. But come on. Those very particular innings, just the way Kimbrel likes them, are hard to come by with this offense and this rotation. What's Farrell supposed to do? Can't he occasionally get him some innings 1-run down here and there?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 5, 2016 21:33:07 GMT -5
Dyson seemed fine in a non-save situation and no one ever called him "elite".
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Post by jmei on Jul 5, 2016 21:34:04 GMT -5
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 5, 2016 21:34:39 GMT -5
Passed by Toronto. I guess it was going to happen eventually. Go Dodgers.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 5, 2016 21:35:27 GMT -5
Running a bullpen is much harder than we give it credit for. If you've got a closer who implodes in any non-save situation, it's damn near impossible. Agreed, plus the whole bullpen feel somewhat unreliable. They're not terrible, but it feels like pretty much everyone out there at some point will serve a 3 run blast to Chirinos. It feels like Kimbrel imploding from time to time and Koji being sort of bad really hurt this team almost as much as the shaky rotation.
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Post by jmei on Jul 5, 2016 21:36:53 GMT -5
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Post by klostrophobic on Jul 5, 2016 22:47:34 GMT -5
Kimbrel's been trash, but on the bright side Javier Guerra is struggling too. Now Logan Allen, Carlos Asuaje and Manny Margot? Yeah they're all doing well.
I absolutely loathe that Farrell is the manager but I do not want him to use the small sample size of non-save situations to dictate how he uses Kimbrel. Use him in the highest leverage situations and let it fly.
Plus Celtics summer league action is in full swing so we have that to look forward to.
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