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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 3, 2017 14:00:47 GMT -5
I'M all for getting Cousin's and he will be traded, if not at this year's deadline then by next year. The only thing about getting Cousin's is that it would require all of our top assets and young players.
Do you trade both Nets picks, Smart, Brown and filler for Cousin?
In offseason that was an easier choice, as Nets pick this year was more of an unknown. We now know it's likely top 3, at worst top 5 unless something crazy happens. We also know this year's class is just as loaded as the draft experts predicted.
Getting Millsap allows us to compete this year and add young potential franchise players for the next two years. Man it's going to be a tough decision for Danny if Cousin is available this year.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 3, 2017 15:28:18 GMT -5
Can't help but think this will go from the best of both worlds (success + draft picks) to "what the h do we do now?!?!"
If we can't get another star and we hold on to the picks, we'll only have 1 more year of Thomas and Bradley (and, to a lesser extent, Smart) on the cheap. Plus, unless Giles can show health, this year's top pick is going to be a PG or a SF.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 3, 2017 17:02:15 GMT -5
Cousins. Plural.
Sorry, but that's driving me nuts.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 3, 2017 19:02:17 GMT -5
I'M all for getting Cousin's and he will be traded, if not at this year's deadline then by next year. The only thing about getting Cousin's is that it would require all of our top assets and young players. Do you trade both Nets picks, Smart, Brown and filler for Cousin?In offseason that was an easier choice, as Nets pick this year was more of an unknown. We now know it's likely top 3, at worst top 5 unless something crazy happens. We also know this year's class is just as loaded as the draft experts predicted. Getting Millsap allows us to compete this year and add young potential franchise players for the next two years. Man it's going to be a tough decision for Danny if Cousin is available this year. Man I'd absolutely do that trade and I'd do it so hard I might even send an apology letter to Lebron with a Delonte West pic attached just for the maximum trash talk. That's how much I believe DMC would help this team. I know there are some concerns there, but he has played his entire career in the worst basketball franchise ever and has 0 stability or talent around here. Give him one year under Brad Stevens and he would beast the East like we haven't seen since the still good version of KG. If that trade isn't available I suppose Millsap would be nice, but giving a 32 year old the maximum gives me pause. But yeah, I'd like that move as well although obviously much less so. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 4, 2017 0:21:25 GMT -5
Cousins. Plural. Sorry, but that's driving me nuts. Really that's the Mod's job to correct grammar?? You just pick certain poster to correct? You sure don't correct every post made by all users on this site. It's a sport message board. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 4, 2017 2:11:30 GMT -5
Cousins. Plural. Sorry, but that's driving me nuts. Really that's the Mod's job to correct grammar?? You just pick certain poster to correct? You sure don't correct every post made by all users on this site. It's a sport message board. It's a guys name, not grammar. The post really does read like you are advocating for a trade of a player whose name you don't know. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 4, 2017 7:58:56 GMT -5
Last nights 15 assist game by IT is pretty impressive to me. Could it mean that his game is expanding to being a true point guard rather than a 2 disguised as a 1? At the least it shows his game is maturing and he is confident enough in his game to be multi-dimensional. That would bode well for the C's future.
Speaking of the future, the C's have Bradley and IT on the cheap for just next year and then they will be expensive. So it kind of puts the pressure on Danny to either make them contenders next year or move on from one of them in the form of a trade to get the next star.
I agree with everyone that the Boogeyman Cousins would get them in position to truly contend and hope that happens as long as it doesn't cost too much in the form of picks. One poster basically has them giving up 4 lottery picks for him, I'm not in favor of that and don't think it should cost that much. Remember he is a major headcase and that should affect his trade value. But to daydream about him and Horford playing together is almost as fun as daydreaming about winning the lottery.
I am starting to think there could be a big deadline deal that not only helps a lot this year but next and the future also.
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Post by philarhody on Jan 5, 2017 9:58:44 GMT -5
Do you trade both Nets picks, Smart, Brown and filler for Cousin? uuuh..no? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2017 9:05:35 GMT -5
Fixing the Celtics...
I understand everyone's worry about the 2018 free agents and the age of be core and the need to improve the team etc etc, but sorry trading the assets for Cousins now isn't the thing to do. This year is a key free agent year. They can add contracts this year then next year they can go over the tax to resign their own guy's so there is no true reason why they can't all be resigned should you want that to happen. This is key because you can add talent without losing talent and you can acquire more pieces to then trade and match salaries etc. Once you are over the cap you can't really sign people so making a trade to lose talent and eat cap room before you can manipulate the bird rights stuff isn't good business.
Milsap would be a good get if you can do it on the cheap. Considering they just gave Korver to the Cavs I can pretty much promise you they will trade him.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 6, 2017 9:06:53 GMT -5
The Celtics at the moment have their best chance at the #1 pick in a long time. This one pick is the best chance for the C's to get a franchise player. Fultz is looking like that guy. Danny will not give that up for a slim chance of winning this year. Given the strength of both GS and the Cavs there is nothing the C's can do to truly compete with those teams now.
So the best move for the C's is a deal that helps beyond this year. Is that guy Noels? Would a Smart for Noels deal work? Both are #6 picks. Smart has done more in the NBA and Noels has more injury risk. The draft is guard heavy and with Rozier improving the C's will be guard heavy as the 76ers are big heavy. Should be easy unless you feel Smart is worth more.
Yes I know this pushes the C's further down the road as far as peaking as a team goes but with the youth and picks wouldn't that be the prudent way to go?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2017 9:12:12 GMT -5
What to do? You stay the course still. Yes it's getting close to decision time but that's even more reason not to do anything stupid. People may need to swallow the fact that this "core" may not be the next championship core. Maybe it's the group that gives us fun basketball while the core is developing.
They need to make the Nets pick this year. If they can get Fultz or Giles then you do it. Giles is starting to look great but the knees are a major concern. Hard core medicals have to be done. Fultz is a stud. Long body so he can play with IT and/or Bradley. Should be able to guard a lot of wings as well and he's a great shooter. He would allow you to deal either Bradley or Crowder whichever brings back more.
I'd look to trade for Cousins AFTER this years draft and free agency. Unless they can sign Griffin then I'd try to trade for a different star type player.
Other players to watch in free agency are Reddick and Bogut. Neither are stars but both would bring elements this team desperately needs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2017 9:17:26 GMT -5
The Celtics at the moment have their best chance at the #1 pick in a long time. This one pick is the best chance for the C's to get a franchise player. Fultz is looking like that guy. Danny will not give that up for a slim chance of winning this year. Given the strength of both GS and the Cavs there is nothing the C's can do to truly compete with those teams now. So the best move for the C's is a deal that helps beyond this year. Is that guy Noels? Would a Smart for Noels deal work? Both are #6 picks. Smart has done more in the NBA and Noels has more injury risk. The draft is guard heavy and with Rozier improving the C's will be guard heavy as the 76ers are big heavy. Should be easy unless you feel Smart is worth more. Yes I know this pushes the C's further down the road as far as peaking as a team goes but with the youth and picks wouldn't that be the prudent way to go? It's not a bad idea at all. I'm just not comfortable with his free agent status but it gives you a chance to evaluate him up close but the cost is pretty steep. Smart is still developing - look at how young he is still... its kind of crazy. His game has improved and evolved so you know he's working on it. Stop just looking a win shares and look at him play. He works hard and is very competitive and commits himself to defense. Players with that combination plus talent, tend to keep getting better. Hell look at Bradley. This guy could be a long term answer for this team if they do need to go the longer road to building by using both Nets picks. Call me crazy but having veterans like Bradley and Crowder and IT and Horford around to me toe young guys isn't all bad. I like a quick fix like anyone else but there are multiple ways this can play out. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2017 9:21:16 GMT -5
I want to talk about Jalen Brown for a second. This kid is going to be a star bank on it. He is undoubtedly going to defend and rebound his position. He can get to the rim and finish and/or get to the line already. That fade away jumper is going to be trade mark. Thing is beautiful to watch and his shooting is not all that bad and he will continue to improve.
I HATED this pick with a passion and now I love the kid. He already should be playing more minutes. I was at the game in Cleveland and he looked really good. Yes he still has he rookie moments and isn't close to a star right now but all the elements are there and so is the look.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 6, 2017 9:57:16 GMT -5
Couple of comments on the recent posts:
1. While the cap logistics say that all of the players can be re-signed (and Boston has indicated it would pay the tax) that's not really the point/question. At some point in time, ALL teams will have a budget. What that is (and how much tax they are willing to pay), none of us know. What to do with Thomas, Bradley, Smart and Rozier (granted, not all are in the same boat as far as concern over leaving, timing and value of potential return) is definitely an issue that Danny will be dealing with. It becomes greater if Fultz is the guy they get.
2. There are very few realistic trade scenarios where I'd be interested in giving up Brown. Not saying he's has "untouchable" value but I just feel that he doesn't really know how to play in the NBA yet and is still contributing in limited minutes. I just don't think that his current value is equal to what it could be. That's not the best time to trade someone (obviously).
3. I think other teams could and SHOULD give up more for Millsap than Boston would. Our best assets (the core, the BRK picks and Brown), we wouldn't want to give up for a pending Free Agent. Our next best (own picks and LAC and MEM picks down the road plus contracts) might not be good enough to get him. Meanwhile, the teams that are rumored to be interested (NO, Denver, Philadelphia, Sacramento and Toronto) might have the better "in between" assets that would help make a deal (Though I can't help feel that Sacramento might need a 3-Team deal, sending Gay out, since they have no draft capital to go along with Stein and last year's 1st rounders).
4. Agree that we shouldn't panic into a move. I'd love to see Brown get more time. I'd love to see what Brooklyn's pick ends up looking like. Every year we think THIS is the offseason where there will be fireworks. Well . . . THIS is the offseason . . . nevermind.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 6, 2017 10:38:21 GMT -5
Grow a f*cking spine Atlanta, that trade sucks and you just helped the team that OWN you. I really hate the NBA sometimes.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 6, 2017 10:50:18 GMT -5
They got a 1st rounder (granted, a late one but this draft has depth) for a 35 year old pending FA that was already losing his spot in the starting lineup and was NEVER going to help them win a championship. Either way, their window was likely going to be post-Lebron so, what does it matter who they help. Get the best asset for someone you're going to lose anyway. Can't imagine too many teams offering much better.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 6, 2017 11:06:24 GMT -5
What to do? You stay the course still. Yes it's getting close to decision time but that's even more reason not to do anything stupid. People may need to swallow the fact that this "core" may not be the next championship core. Maybe it's the group that gives us fun basketball while the core is developing. They need to make the Nets pick this year. If they can get Fultz or Giles then you do it. Giles is starting to look great but the knees are a major concern. Hard core medicals have to be done. Fultz is a stud. Long body so he can play with IT and/or Bradley. Should be able to guard a lot of wings as well and he's a great shooter. He would allow you to deal either Bradley or Crowder whichever brings back more. I'd look to trade for Cousins AFTER this years draft and free agency. Unless they can sign Griffin then I'd try to trade for a different star type player. Other players to watch in free agency are Reddick and Bogut. Neither are stars but both would bring elements this team desperately needs. Agree completely that this may not be the core that wins it all. If you add a Fultz and then a big like Cousins and Jaylen Brown turns into a star as you have mentioned then you have the makings of a championship team 2 years down the road. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2017 11:59:32 GMT -5
I don't think budget should or would get in the way of resigning anyone that would help them win a championship. There is only so far a team can possibly go so it won't be that big an issue in my opinion if the team is there. I guess overall point is having the money to resign those guys isn't the problem or part of the equation it's how it fits into the cap and acquiring players first that put them in that spot.
My guess is that one of Bradley or Crowder is traded and maybe Smart too after they use this Brooklyn pick and sign free agents this off season. They won't need all the players but who to trade depends on who they get.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2017 12:01:54 GMT -5
Can we all agree the KO blows or do some people still want to argue he is good and brings value?
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Post by bookiemetts on Jan 6, 2017 12:31:39 GMT -5
Not sure if this was on purpose or not but either way it's hilarious with the way this thread has been going lol. With the C's and Raptors upcoming schedules Boston could be playing for the 2 spot in the east on Tuesday. That considered I think as currently constructed the Celtics and Raptors will be pretty close for the 2/3 all season. This would put them in a good place to reach the Eastern Conference Finals. With the Korver trade, there's basically nothing that will stop the Cavs from winning that series outside of injury. I think if Danny sees a chance to make cheap upgrades to the roster he will do so. But, I don't think there's any one player they could acquire this season that would make them the favorite in a series with the Cavs especially since they will likely have to give up players that are currently contributing to the team (Smart, Bradley, Crowder...). So, I think they should stand pat, wait for the offseason and make the pick. From there Danny and Brad can assess what they have in that player. Plus, the value of those picks always increases around the time of the draft. All that being said the team is in a great position. Overall they're a good team with a pretty young, cheap core and a very high likelihood of the 1 or 2 pick in the draft. That's amazing. If I'm one of those guys at the top of the draft I hope the Celtics pick me cause otherwise the teams are dumpster fires. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 6, 2017 13:03:20 GMT -5
Not sure if this was on purpose or not but either way it's hilarious with the way this thread has been going lol. With the C's and Raptors upcoming schedules Boston could be playing for the 2 spot in the east on Tuesday. That considered I think as currently constructed the Celtics and Raptors will be pretty close for the 2/3 all season. This would put them in a good place to reach the Eastern Conference Finals. With the Korver trade, there's basically nothing that will stop the Cavs from winning that series outside of injury. I think if Danny sees a chance to make cheap upgrades to the roster he will do so. But, I don't think there's any one player they could acquire this season that would make them the favorite in a series with the Cavs especially since they will likely have to give up players that are currently contributing to the team (Smart, Bradley, Crowder...). So, I think they should stand pat, wait for the offseason and make the pick. From there Danny and Brad can assess what they have in that player. Plus, the value of those picks always increases around the time of the draft. All that being said the team is in a great position. Overall they're a good team with a pretty young, cheap core and a very high likelihood of the 1 or 2 pick in the draft. That's amazing. If I'm one of those guys at the top of the draft I hope the Celtics pick me cause otherwise the teams are dumpster fires. Pretty sure I said the same thing you did other than trading Smart for Noels and then picking another guard at the top of the draft. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 6, 2017 13:54:55 GMT -5
They got a 1st rounder (granted, a late one but this draft has depth) for a 35 year old pending FA that was already losing his spot in the starting lineup and was NEVER going to help them win a championship. Either way, their window was likely going to be post-Lebron so, what does it matter who they help. Get the best asset for someone you're going to lose anyway. Can't imagine too many teams offering much better. Yeah looking back at it now with a cooler head makes me dislike it less for Atlanta. I guess they just held on to him for too long and ended up getting peanuts on the trade. |
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Post by bookiemetts on Jan 6, 2017 14:44:46 GMT -5
Pretty sure I said the same thing you did other than trading Smart for Noels and then picking another guard at the top of the draft. Yeah I agree with what you said other than the Noel trade. But I was more commenting on the "Noels" spelling after the Cousin's debacle lol |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 6, 2017 18:49:14 GMT -5
Pretty sure I said the same thing you did other than trading Smart for Noels and then picking another guard at the top of the draft. Yeah I agree with what you said other than the Noel trade. But I was more commenting on the "Noels" spelling after the Cousin's debacle lol I wish I could say it was on purpose as it would be pretty funny but sadly it was just another brain fart. LOL |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 6, 2017 20:31:44 GMT -5
I want to talk about Jalen Brown for a second. This kid is going to be a star bank on it. He is undoubtedly going to defend and rebound his position. He can get to the rim and finish and/or get to the line already. That fade away jumper is going to be trade mark. Thing is beautiful to watch and his shooting is not all that bad and he will continue to improve. I HATED this pick with a passion and now I love the kid. He already should be playing more minutes. I was at the game in Cleveland and he looked really good. Yes he still has he rookie moments and isn't close to a star right now but all the elements are there and so is the look. Brown has grown on me also. But as someone mentioned, it is the vets and the coach that develop that player along with his ability. Brown has looked like a future star just athletically. The team is well coached and a motivated team. Not mentioned enough is the coach. |
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