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Post by philarhody on Dec 10, 2016 2:40:19 GMT -5
It's called making a prediction/observation. Some of you guys are so damn pedantic.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 23, 2016 12:21:02 GMT -5
God DAMN IT is playing like a crazy man in the past few games.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 24, 2016 12:33:28 GMT -5
Marcus Smart is starting to look like a bust. I know there was a big debate between him and Randle around draft time. Smart doesn't seem to be improving and Randle does. Currently Randle would add the rebounding this team really needs.
I know Smart plays good D, but he's shooting 36% from the field for the 2nd time in 3 years.
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Post by jmei on Dec 24, 2016 15:33:20 GMT -5
Smart is a great defender and good rebounder and passer. He also gets to the line often. Would be great if he was a better shooter or off-the-bounce creator, but he's at least a good rotation player, with the potential for more if his shot becomes more consistent. Maybe that's slightly disappointing given how high he was drafted, but I wouldn't call him a bust.
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Post by philarhody on Dec 25, 2016 12:28:49 GMT -5
Smart is good for 15-20 minutes of energy on a contender.
Amir Johnson, on the otherhand, is absolutely worthless.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 26, 2016 1:59:31 GMT -5
Smart is a great defender and good rebounder and passer. He also gets to the line often. Would be great if he was a better shooter or off-the-bounce creator, but he's at least a good rotation player, with the potential for more if his shot becomes more consistent. Maybe that's slightly disappointing given how high he was drafted, but I wouldn't call him a bust. He gets to line 2.2 times per game, that's not that often. I thought that would be a strength of his, but it just hasn't happened. It's not just that he's a bad shooter, he's a horrible shooter. He's a good defender, passer and rebounder. That just doesn't make up for his offense. His negative offense is worse than his good defense. His defensive numbers are also way down this year. He doesn't deserve the 30 minutes per game he is getting. For the #6 overall pick he is looking like a bust. He won't be a total bust, because he can be a D first backup PG. While Randle is improving, Smart is getting worse. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 26, 2016 9:13:04 GMT -5
Disagree that he's getting worse. While his shooting is just terrible, his playmaking has definitely improved. He's gone from a guy who was on his way to being Tony Allen to a PG. His shooting ability (lack thereof) will limit him but he's showing that he can run an offense.
He's also still very young. The tough part is they are going to have to decide on paying him, Bradley and Thomas all at the same time (not to mention the majority of the top prospects in this draft are guards). The guess is some other team will see him become a non-star PG.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 26, 2016 9:18:15 GMT -5
Would love to see how IT'S absence impacts that % of getting to the line.
Love IT and I can't believe we even had to read the "Are Cs better without him" articles, but he is a guy who doesn't always put the other players in scoring position with his playmaking"
I admit I haven't watched a lot of the games yet, when I have, I see many of his assists coming from kickouts off drives instead of passes leading to layups (again, limited observations).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 26, 2016 10:06:13 GMT -5
Disagree that he's getting worse. While his shooting is just terrible, his playmaking has definitely improved. He's gone from a guy who was on his way to being Tony Allen to a PG. His shooting ability (lack thereof) will limit him but he's showing that he can run an offense. He's also still very young. The tough part is they are going to have to decide on paying him, Bradley and Thomas all at the same time (not to mention the majority of the top prospects in this draft are guards). The guess is some other team will see him become a non-star PG. By almost every advanced stat he is getting worse. His wins shares are way down, his offensive and defensive box score plus minus is way down. His true shooting % is lowest of career. He needs to become Tony Allen. He needs to stop thinking he's a star and stop taking so many shots. Learn to take what defence gives him. |
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Post by jmei on Dec 26, 2016 10:28:23 GMT -5
He's not really taking that many shots, and when he does, they're mostly open threes off a kickout. He should be continuing to take those shots-- he's more of an inconsistent shooter than a bad one, and he's capable of locking in his mechanics and going on a hot streak. His defensive advanced stats are way down, but that could just be a small sample size blip. He still looks like a good defender to me.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 26, 2016 17:48:09 GMT -5
No. He needs to be a PG not Tony Allen. Agree with shot selection (btw so does he).
Still immature imo. When he becomes more comfortable with who he is and stops trying to force being a star, I think he can still have a long productive career.
If you want to convince me it's not great return on a pick that high . . . Okay. I just think that's a big leap to bust status. Milicic is a bust. Don't think Smart is anywhere near there yet.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 26, 2016 21:15:59 GMT -5
Bradley is one of the best defensive guards in the league and can shoot. I'll take Bradley over Wall any day. So you wouldn't trade Bradley for Wall straight up? Come on that's a joke right? The trade Idea was for Bradley and Nets pick which we hope is top 5, with a chance at being top 3 if not the #1 overall pick. That in a draft that is said to have a bunch of franchise players at the top of draft. Like Rip said Bradley and that pick is for Wall is a tough call, I can see pros and cons both ways. But if your just talking Bradley for Wall that's what we call a no brainer. I'm a huge Bradley fan and remember having to support him heavily when Danny gave him a 4 year 32 million deal. That being said Wall is 2-3 times the player Bradley is. Wall averaged 19.9 points, 10.2 assists, 4.9 rebounds and 1.9 steals last year. He also has really improved his 3 point shot since coming into league. He shot 35.1% last year on a career high attempts. Bradley averaged 15.2 points, 2.9 rebounds, 2.1 assists last year. Bradley was 89th in wins contributed to team at 5.31 and Wall was 18th with 10.62, which is double what Bradley had. Wall is a complete player, while Bradley is really only a shooter that plays good D. Yeah I'm still taking Bradley over Wall and this year reinforces my point. He was trending upward this entire time. He's one of the best rebounding guards in the league now. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 27, 2016 9:59:09 GMT -5
Just to be clear, Bradley's rebound numbers are by design. It's more of a scheme thing where the bigs all box and Bradley goes to the ball.
He's doing it very well, mind you. But it's more a product of Stevens recognizing that his bigs aren't going to out rebound opposing bigs than it is an improved skill for Bradley.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 27, 2016 13:15:27 GMT -5
Just to be clear, Bradley's rebound numbers are by design. It's more of a scheme thing where the bigs all box and Bradley goes to the ball. He's doing it very well, mind you. But it's more a product of Stevens recognizing that his bigs aren't going to out rebound opposing bigs than it is an improved skill for Bradley. I'd like to give the player more credit than that. Brad can say or scheme anything he wants, Bradley is the one performing. I love Bradley's game more than most and there's good reason why, he's arguably the second best player on this team right now. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 27, 2016 14:04:44 GMT -5
He's doing a great job of executing but the numbers are absolutely inflated due to the bigs boxing out instead of going for the ball. Guards will have more rebounds than they otherwise would.
It's not intended to be a knock on Bradley but a knock on that stat for him (especially compared to other guards who are "losing" rebounds to centers and forwards). Most of those guys a) make sure their man doesn't get the board and b) serve as an outlet. Not Bradley.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 27, 2016 15:50:06 GMT -5
Bradley has been great rebounding this year, but his numbers are going down. I agree he's been tasked by Brad with being a rebounder.
I also don't see him as the teams second best player.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 27, 2016 19:18:28 GMT -5
No Bradley love in Boston. The guy is underrated. Ohh well.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 27, 2016 21:30:25 GMT -5
I love Bradley and the fact that he keeps adding to his game. Just don't want to use inflated statistics to support the love.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 31, 2016 4:43:44 GMT -5
Epic game for Thomas albeit against a bad Miami team. Still he could of scored against anyone last night, he was unguardable. 52 points. 29 in the forth quarter. That was incredible.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 1, 2017 8:39:27 GMT -5
My opinion on IT has been wrong, I admit it. All along I have felt he is better off the bench as an instant offense type like Vinnie the microwave Jonson. Thinking also that on a really good team he wouldn't be a starter, but a sixth man. He is still a liability on the defensive end but he has shown he is legit this year and 52 pts the other night is the icing.
Still not sure what this team is though. Danny has to have lunch with DD and figure out how to use all these assets to improve this roster. I'm glad he has been patient so far but something big needs to happen soon. Drafting lottery picks is nice and all but these 19 year olds take years to develop into NBA stars, if they ever do.
Someone needs to put out an APB on Avery Johnson!!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 2, 2017 13:10:38 GMT -5
Hawks have put Millsap on trading block. What an upgrade he would be. He might make us a true contender. Asking price is said to be high and he's a free agent after season and wants a max contract.
If Danny really wants to go for it, you need to see if you can get a player like Millsap. Couple of late first round picks would be worth it to me. We already know Millsap and Horford can play very well together.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 3, 2017 9:21:44 GMT -5
Hawks have put Millsap on trading block. What an upgrade he would be. He might make us a true contender. Asking price is said to be high and he's a free agent after season and wants a max contract. If Danny really wants to go for it, you need to see if you can get a player like Millsap. Couple of late first round picks would be worth it to me. We already know Millsap and Horford can play very well together. Not sure Millsap is the answer. The C's are better this year with him replacing Johnson but is he really the answer moving forward with a max contract? I would rather have a true center and rim protector going forward. Also the cost would be high. The C's will have a late 1st next year but only a top 3 or something this year after swapping with the Nets. So your thought of a couple late 1sts doesn't really work, IMO. I want to see something big happen for the future but this year is another building year, not a year to give up assets with aspirations of grandeur for winning now. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 3, 2017 11:38:21 GMT -5
Hawks have put Millsap on trading block. What an upgrade he would be. He might make us a true contender. Asking price is said to be high and he's a free agent after season and wants a max contract. If Danny really wants to go for it, you need to see if you can get a player like Millsap. Couple of late first round picks would be worth it to me. We already know Millsap and Horford can play very well together. Not sure Millsap is the answer. The C's are better this year with him replacing Johnson but is he really the answer moving forward with a max contract? I would rather have a true center and rim protector going forward. Also the cost would be high. The C's will have a late 1st next year but only a top 3 or something this year after swapping with the Nets. So your thought of a couple late 1sts doesn't really work, IMO. I want to see something big happen for the future but this year is another building year, not a year to give up assets with aspirations of grandeur for winning now. I have no clue about giving Millsap a max contract going forward. It really depends how they play. If they make finals or push Cleveland to a game 7 than maybe he's worth it. I would still trade for him just to go for it, if the price is fair. I can't see many teams trading a ton for a to be 32 year old free agent, that's a notch below superstar. The thing is our core is 26, 26, 27 and 30. You can't just keep saying this is a building year. Horford is going to start declining soon. Thomas with his size will decline quicker than an average player. When he starts to lose his ups he's just not going to be the same player. We have Minny's high second round pick this year, our own picks next year and the year after that. We also have a future Memphis first round pick. You could also trade our top pick from this year that we have overseas. I would much rather trade some of those assets than have us cut a 1st and 2nd round pick like we did this year because we have no room on roster. Next year Young will be gone without ever really getting a chance to play. We are just wasting assets right now, might at least see what can happen this year. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 3, 2017 12:47:27 GMT -5
I'll only defend trading for Millsap if Sacramento is really really sure they won't trade DMC. Do it Sacramento, just do it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 3, 2017 13:28:07 GMT -5
This team has like 10 power forwards, please no on Millsap. They need someone who can either score or rebound. The Celtics need Cousins because he can do both right now. Cousins is the best fit. Like Dan said above me, just do it Sacramento.
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