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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 5, 2016 8:12:00 GMT -5
Horford is a very unselfish player and his numbers are not going to look good but it also won't show his true impact. That being said, I do think he needs to step up a bit or they need to
Figure out a way to utilize him more in the offense.
On another note, this team desperately needs another player who can play lower and grab rebounds. The 3 guard lineups are not doing well. I don't know if it's because Thomas can't play D or maybe it's he fact you are severely undersized EVERYWHERE with that lineup. Thomas - Bradley - Smart - Crowder and Horford isn't effective like it was expected to be.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 5, 2016 8:20:37 GMT -5
By the way, I really wish the NBA would do something to help teams develop players. It would up the quality of play in the league and make the game much better. It would take cooperation from the players association but I think it's possible you could get them on board.
My dream situation is the NBA goes the way of college hockey and expands the draft a couple rounds (5? Maybe 4). However, players can stay in college for a couple years. This would make the NCAA way better and it would be great for the NBA as you can work with the guys in the college offseason a bit and give them parts of their game to work on. Second part, would be getting each team a true farm team so they can play within your system and get regular minutes.
There are certain things you'd need to work out. Like roster sizes and length of time players are under team control, etc. How does the time in college or the minors affect that stuff? I'd suggest setting up some sort of escrow account that money goes into so when he's out of school he gets paid deferred compensation of some
Sort for the time he was still in college.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 5, 2016 13:14:54 GMT -5
Big game tonight - need Washington to beat the Nets.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 5, 2016 14:05:21 GMT -5
By the way, I really wish the NBA would do something to help teams develop players. It would up the quality of play in the league and make the game much better. It would take cooperation from the players association but I think it's possible you could get them on board. My dream situation is the NBA goes the way of college hockey and expands the draft a couple rounds (5? Maybe 4). However, players can stay in college for a couple years. This would make the NCAA way better and it would be great for the NBA as you can work with the guys in the college offseason a bit and give them parts of their game to work on. Second part, would be getting each team a true farm team so they can play within your system and get regular minutes. There are certain things you'd need to work out. Like roster sizes and length of time players are under team control, etc. How does the time in college or the minors affect that stuff? I'd suggest setting up some sort of escrow account that money goes into so when he's out of school he gets paid deferred compensation of some Sort for the time he was still in college. They have attempted this with the D league, it is a step in the right direction. Not sure it will be enough. The idea for players staying in college after being drafted, like in hockey, is interesting. I wonder what the road blocks would be. Change like that never comes easy. One thing for sure is the players coming into the league after 1 yr of college are not ready and by riding the pine they lose the needed playing time to progress. That on top of a schedule that leaves minimal time for practice is a bad combination for 19/20 year olds that need to play to learn. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 5, 2016 14:08:50 GMT -5
Don't know enough about hockey (I watch/follow but never played so much of the detailed "how to" is lost on me) but it would seem that it works bc the roles are more translatable between college/pro hockey.
For college basketball to pro basketball, players are likely to take on different roles than the ones they might play in the pros so I wonder if college coaches would interested in what an NBA team has to say about their players' development.
Also, certain programs recruit based on 1 and dones. For the NCAA as a whole it would be great bc you'd think this would spread out the talent (potentially). I just wonder if someone like Calipari would want that change given he thrives in the system as is.
As you point out, it DOES work in hockey and maybe it's my lack of understanding that makes me think that way. Just seems like college B-Ball coaches would not be on board with this.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 5, 2016 14:26:04 GMT -5
The thing that stands out for me last night was Matt Barnes getting 16 rebounds in 31 mins, while Crowder had 3 rebounds in 37 minutes. Crowder needs to step up, he needs to be getting 6-8 rebounds a night for this team. Crowder doesn't seem to be impacting the game as much as he has when healthy in the past, maybe they should give him a little more time off. It beats having him play at less than 100% all year. Also Gives Brown more playing time which will help in the long run. What has happened to Amir Johnson? He isn't impacting games much either. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 5, 2016 14:30:55 GMT -5
Noels wants out of Philly as they have a surplus of bigs and he is losing playing time. What is his value at the moment? How much would Danny have to give up to get him?
Seems like he would be a good fit.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 5, 2016 14:35:53 GMT -5
Don't know enough about hockey (I watch/follow but never played so much of the detailed "how to" is lost on me) but it would seem that it works bc the roles are more translatable between college/pro hockey. For college basketball to pro basketball, players are likely to take on different roles than the ones they might play in the pros so I wonder if college coaches would interested in what an NBA team has to say about their players' development. Also, certain programs recruit based on 1 and dones. For the NCAA as a whole it would be great bc you'd think this would spread out the talent (potentially). I just wonder if someone like Calipari would want that change given he thrives in the system as is. As you point out, it DOES work in hockey and maybe it's my lack of understanding that makes me think that way. Just seems like college B-Ball coaches would not be on board with this. I think the college coaches would be happy to keep players staying longer rather than having to recruit new ones every year or two. Calipari could even benefit from players staying more than a year. But then how do you motivate millionaire ball players in college? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 5, 2016 22:05:33 GMT -5
The thing that stands out for me last night was Matt Barnes getting 16 rebounds in 31 mins, while Crowder had 3 rebounds in 37 minutes. Crowder needs to step up, he needs to be getting 6-8 rebounds a night for this team. Crowder doesn't seem to be impacting the game as much as he has when healthy in the past, maybe they should give him a little more time off. It beats having him play at less than 100% all year. Also Gives Brown more playing time which will help in the long run. What has happened to Amir Johnson? He isn't impacting games much either. Johnson has been declining for years and he's now not worthy of being a starter. Also he's a doesn't seem to match up with Horford. We need an upgrade. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 5, 2016 22:16:07 GMT -5
Noels wants out of Philly as they have a surplus of bigs and he is losing playing time. What is his value at the moment? How much would Danny have to give up to get him? Seems like he would be a good fit. Noel has yet to play this season due to surgery, but he's really close to returning. With him being a free agent after season and the fact he hasn't played , his value is very low. Thinking late first round pick should get it done. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2016 9:01:11 GMT -5
The biggest problem I have with the current system is players come in too raw and have very limited time to
Develop properly before they are free agents. There needs to be a better system in place to allow teams to properly develop players without losing them too early.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2016 9:01:58 GMT -5
This team needs to be careful not to just trade for a guy for this season and lose their flexibility for the future.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 6, 2016 16:18:28 GMT -5
Keep reading articles (today was on BR) that suggest Indiana needs to blow it up. Paul George is my dream scenario.
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2016 16:50:54 GMT -5
Keep reading articles (today was on BR) that suggest Indiana needs to blow it up. Paul George is my dream scenario. That would be amazing. Jaylen Brown + Rozier + Young + 2018 BKN maybe if they really want to start younger and rebuild. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2016 17:04:01 GMT -5
Keep reading articles (today was on BR) that suggest Indiana needs to blow it up. Paul George is my dream scenario. That would be amazing. Jaylen Brown + Rozier + Young + 2018 BKN maybe if they really want to start younger and rebuild. Ummm keep dreaming |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 6, 2016 17:50:45 GMT -5
Yeah, it's gonna cost more than that.
1 suggestion on a separate BR article was Crowder, Smart, and 3 1sts (both BRK pics)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 6, 2016 21:51:25 GMT -5
This team needs to be careful not to just trade for a guy for this season and lose their flexibility for the future. I get that, that's why Noel makes sense. At the same time if they don't improve your not getting an elite free agent so cap space won't matter. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 6, 2016 22:12:46 GMT -5
Pretty sure they could trade for George (assuming a Crowder and Smart or Brown is included) and still clear close to 25 MN in cap room (keeping hold for KO) to still get another FA.
Pipe dream, I admit but . . .
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2016 22:17:59 GMT -5
Watching Duke right now and I'll take Tatum please then we can deal Crowder and the 2018 pick.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2016 9:13:04 GMT -5
At the time I made that post about Tatum he had only like 4 points but it wasn't because he wasn't shooting well, he's just an unselfish player who plays within the game and is so smooth at everything he does. He's thin but not overly skinny and he's strong. Finishes well with contact because he had great body control and his stroke is pretty good. He's a very good rebounder and good defensively with his long arms. He would be perfect for Brad Stevens. I know they need low post help but you take best player available. It's certainly early but I love what I see from Tatum in the early going.
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Post by philarhody on Dec 7, 2016 13:32:02 GMT -5
Yeh I'd be very surprised if Tatum isn't the #1 pick in the draft come spring.
edit note: he's really good
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Post by philarhody on Dec 7, 2016 13:39:41 GMT -5
This team needs to be careful not to just trade for a guy for this season and lose their flexibility for the future. I get that, that's why Noel makes sense. At the same time if they don't improve your not getting an elite free agent so cap space won't matter. Nerlens Noel: elite free agent bait. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2016 13:41:57 GMT -5
This year's draft class is just stacked, it's almost mind blowing how good the top 10-15 players look.
Bam Adebango looks like a beast and he's currently ranked #15 at DraftExpress and #20 at nbadraft.net. This really looks like a special draft class, man I wish we had another 1st round pick this year!
Tatum and Bolden have hardly played and Giles has yet to play, but when Healthy Duke is scary good, along with Kentucky.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2016 14:07:26 GMT -5
Yeh I'd be very surprised if Tatum isn't the #1 pick in the draft come spring. edit note: he's really good Way too early to say that. Right now there are at least 5 guys in that conversation if not a few more. The high end freshman this year is unreal. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2016 19:57:31 GMT -5
The Washington PG (Fuktz) is the number 1 right now and that's not likely to change. 6'5 and a playmaker and good outside shot.
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