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Post by texs31 on Apr 6, 2017 8:31:32 GMT -5
My ideal is probably a shorter term deal (possible but maybe not likely).
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Post by digit on Apr 6, 2017 10:09:01 GMT -5
Texs31's take seems pretty well reasoned, and I'm starting to think that the Celtics may well lean towards Fultz now if they intend to keep Thomas. It would help relieve pressure on them in case Thomas hit a decline.
I'd give him a shorter term deal, too, if he'd sign on for four years worth at full max. It would be considerably easier to minimize damage with a contract like that. I worry a bit about a Deron Williams-esque drop in play.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 6, 2017 10:45:47 GMT -5
Texs31's take seems pretty well reasoned, and I'm starting to think that the Celtics may well lean towards Fultz now if they intend to keep Thomas. It would help relieve pressure on them in case Thomas hit a decline. I'd give him a shorter term deal, too, if he'd sign on for four years worth at full max. It would be considerably easier to minimize damage with a contract like that. I worry a bit about a Deron Williams-esque drop in play. They'd lean Fultz because he's the best prospect in the draft. He goes number 1 no matter who has that pick. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 6, 2017 10:48:22 GMT -5
But are people just saying "remove Isaiah from this team and we'll be good"? Any ideas of not extending him should assume that he's been replaced by a top scorer in the lineup. That's an awfully big assumption to make, and it goes back to my view that people on this board are weirdly underrating him. He obviously has some flaws, but he's one of 20 best players and 5 best scorers in the game. That's not easy to replace. There are also multiple people on here who want them to extend Bradley over Isaiah, which is just bizarre. And that's coming from a HUGE Bradley fan. I'm with you on extending IT but he's not a top 29 player in the league in my opinion. He is one of the 10 worst (maybe even top 5) defensive players in the entire league. Sorry, I can't rank you a top 20 player with that hanging over your head. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 6, 2017 10:59:38 GMT -5
Paul
Griffin
Westbrook
Curry
Thompson
Durant
Green
LeBron
Irving
Towns
Greek Freak
Harden
Leonard
Lilliard
Cousins
Davis
Gobert
Jokic
Wall
Lowrie
DeRozen
George
Butler
That's 23 guys off the top of my head. Then you can get into players like Love, Porzingus, Horford and Dragic plus many others.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 6, 2017 11:58:35 GMT -5
My concern about giving him an extension is less about what he is or isn't and more about what he might or might not be (especially if the C's timeline is truly a couple of years from now)
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 6, 2017 12:15:19 GMT -5
My concern about giving him an extension is less about what he is or isn't and more about what he might or might not be (especially if the C's timeline is truly a couple of years from now) I agree but we have another year to see him plus, if his shooting shows continued improvement I'd be comfortable enough to give him a 4 year extension. Especially, if we are looking at guys like Brown, Fultz, Yabusele and Zizic showing a lot plus the other Nets pick. |
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Post by digit on Apr 6, 2017 15:39:40 GMT -5
I kinda would prefer to give him the extension -now- than next year. Essentially, rip up his year, pay him four years, and make it essentially a three year extension with a bonus up front. That would take him to his, what, age 33 years?
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 6, 2017 16:26:31 GMT -5
Paul Griffin Westbrook Curry Thompson Durant Green LeBron Irving Towns Greek Freak Harden Leonard Lilliard Cousins Davis Gobert Jokic Wall Lowrie DeRozen George Butler That's 23 guys off the top of my head. Then you can get into players like Love, Porzingus, Horford and Dragic plus many others. I like these discussions, but it's besides the point I was making. Once you get into the 20-30 range, those players are pretty much interchangeable. The fact of the matter is the Celtics have two guys in that range, and they're still miles away from competing with Cleveland in the East...not to mention there being three teams in the West clearly better than them. When you're already a major piece away from contending, letting one of your two 20-30 guys walk in his prime doesn't seem logical. Fortunately both sides seem to have mutual interest in talking an extension this offseason. |
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 6, 2017 20:59:04 GMT -5
Two straight train wreck performances with the playoffs approaching and seeing on the line.
Nice to see Stevens has his boys clicking on both ends.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 6, 2017 21:19:24 GMT -5
Two straight train wreck performances with the playoffs approaching and seeing on the line. Nice to see Stevens has his boys clicking on both ends. Well if we didn't have Stevens with the sh*tty talent we have on this roster we'd be fighting for the playoffs so it's all good in my book. Not much the coach can do when Al's rotting corpse is contributing with a 2-2-3 line and Bradley forgot how to play basketball. |
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Post by digit on Apr 6, 2017 21:56:47 GMT -5
The hardest thing is to play back to back, especially when you have to hit the road for the second game against a team that gives us trouble.
Just glad they fought back from being 20 down to at least making a game of it on the road.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 6, 2017 21:58:48 GMT -5
The Cavs were playing on a back to back against a well-rested Celtics team ... and the Celts came out completely unprepared and got outworked in every phase of the game. And that continued into the next night against an Atlanta team that's been a disaster for weeks.
Sorry, but I'm not impressed by any moral victories in game 89.
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Post by digit on Apr 6, 2017 22:06:56 GMT -5
Yep, but the Celtics jut don't match up well with Atlanta or Cleveland. We really need someone who can score consistently without IT4 on the court.
Horford is a good faciliator, but he's never going to be a scorer.
I think to get anywhere past the first round we'd need, well, someone who can step up and score. Of the players on this team, the only one who feels like he could make the leap is Jaylen Brown, and I don't think he's doing it -this- year.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 6, 2017 22:20:03 GMT -5
The Cavs were playing on a back to back against a well-rested Celtics team ... and the Celts came out completely unprepared and got outworked in every phase of the game. And that continued into the next night against an Atlanta team that's been a disaster for weeks. Sorry, but I'm not impressed by any moral victories in game 89. It's not about preparation, it's the talent level. Your preparation doesn't count when your players suck this badly. |
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 6, 2017 22:20:28 GMT -5
Not matching up well doesn't explain a 20+ point loss at home and giving up 120+ points to one of the worst offenses in the game.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 6, 2017 22:25:02 GMT -5
The Cavs were playing on a back to back against a well-rested Celtics team ... and the Celts came out completely unprepared and got outworked in every phase of the game. And that continued into the next night against an Atlanta team that's been a disaster for weeks. Sorry, but I'm not impressed by any moral victories in game 89. It's not about preparation, it's the talent level. Your preparation doesn't count when your players suck this badly. You're wildly overstating their lack of talent - they added Horford to a roster that won 48 games and were projected to win over 50 games before the season. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 6, 2017 22:28:13 GMT -5
On the bright side, Brooklyn clinched a tie for the worst record and #1 slot in lottery (Phoenix making a run).
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Post by digit on Apr 6, 2017 22:45:12 GMT -5
Not matching up well doesn't explain a 20+ point loss at home and giving up 120+ points to one of the worst offenses in the game. No it really doesn't... the team is talented enough to win 50 games, but it seems like the margin of error has gotten too thin. I just don't really like the match-ups with Cleveland or Atlanta, mostly because they have the defense to really bother IT4 while keeping the rest of the team from hitting shots. It feels like this team is equipped very well to handle perimeter shooting team, but not teams that are -good- at muscling their way around the inside, which is what Atlanta and Cleveland feel like to me. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 6, 2017 23:53:52 GMT -5
You're wildly overstating their lack of talent - they added Horford to a roster that won 48 games and were projected to win over 50 games before the season. They added Horford who this year has been at best mediocre and at times ungodly awful to a team that won 48 games last year while overplaying their talent level like crazy. Seriously, you have a great offensive player in IT and that's it. The rest are glorified role players. They are the second seed in their conference and to me that's very much on the coach. They will lose infuriating games, however that's because they're still not very good. I think they will get there, but there's clearly a lot of road ahead. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 7, 2017 1:00:40 GMT -5
You can't blame the coach for a flawed roster. That's on Danny. Ibaka is having a huge impact on Raptors. He's the exact type of player that can really help you against teams like Cleveland and Atlanta.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 7, 2017 4:38:51 GMT -5
On the bright side, Brooklyn clinched a tie for the worst record and #1 slot in lottery (Phoenix making a run). Well this is the best news of the day. Hopefully they can lose one more and make it all alone for that one pick alone. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 7, 2017 4:39:23 GMT -5
So I guess the Celtics will be the number 2, 3, or even 4 seed now.
Most likely the 2 seed hopefully.
Hopefully Washington gets the 3 seed. I feel like the Celtics can actually win a round past the Wizards. It looks like Toronto owns the the breaker for the 3 seed, which stinks. I would really like to avoid them if possible.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 7, 2017 7:34:17 GMT -5
I might be at the point where Ball is my 4th option on draft night. His father is a train wreck. Now he's Blaming the white players for the team not winning a title...
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Post by texs31 on Apr 7, 2017 7:59:18 GMT -5
The bad news is that reports are that teams are being told that the Cap is coming in now at $101. So, even if the C's lose the lottery and get the 4th pick, they are going to have to move salary to get max room.
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