Boston Celtics 2016-17 Season Discussion

He's also continued to be a plus-minus monster despite looking increasingly athletically limited. He's still one of those "does all the little stuff guys"-- box out, set good screens, play good help defense, etc.

WCP3- Removing Turner and giving his minutes to Brown and Rozier is the issue. They are young inconsistent players. Turner was a 4 win share player last year, that really helped our D. You remove your most important bench player it's going to really hurt your bench. Add that to no Sullinger and now you can't play KO with either Johnson or Sullinger, thus we have a massive rebounding problem.

There's a reason why I've been saying we need another rebounding big all year long! If your going to play Horford and KO together for major minutes we are going to get killed on the glass. We lost mainly because the Bulls got 17 more rebounds than we did! That's very hard to do in the NBA. Everyone is bashing KO for 4 rebounds in what 28 mins, what about Horford playing 40 minutes and getting only 7 rebounds? KO is a stretch big, Horford is a max player he needs to do more on the glass.

Anyone that doesn't think Smart shot selection is bad needs to wake up and stop being a Homer. Come on the he's not bad, because there are players like Waiters and Young argument is laughable. He took 9 shots and 7 were from deep. Now he made a couple this game, but that won't continue. He needs to stop taking so many 3's. He can take as many corner 3's as he wants, otherwise​ he needs to stop. I don't know what's worse watching Smart take so many bad shots or listening to people trying to always defend him. I don't know how you look at his numbers over a full season and don't see a problem.

You make more excuses for KO then anyone out there. Horford was bad too. That that doesn't make KO anymore useful in a big situation. He did the same thing last year in the playoffs too.

I think KO is overall just a little bit better than Amir, but I understand what you mean. This team desperately needed to upgrade at the 4/5, a guy like Noel would have been so perfect on our team that at this point I have to believe I like hurting myself for still thinking about it. I just can't let go.

Well you sure didn't bring up Horford, a max player, starter, playing 40 minutes.  You just want on a rant about our backup stretch big.  KO isn't the problem if he's used correctly.  You need to pair him with a good rebounding big, yet we don't have one to pair him with.  That's on Danny and the reason I've been saying we needed one all year long.

KO- 23 minutes 7 points, 3 blocks, 2 steals, 3 assists, 4 rebounds.  Yes he's a horrible player.

Smart and Bradley played 66 minutes and had 5 rebounds combined

Jerebko, Green, Brown and Zeller played 24 minutes and had 3 rebounds.

Your hate for KO is crazy.

I've bolded my point above. Surprise-- it's the first sentence.

Smart is a defense-first player who is no more inefficient than guys like Tony Allen or Evan Turner. He gets there in a different way than Allen or Turner, but the end result is the same, efficiency-wise. 28.4% from 3 equates to 42.6% from 2. That's not good, but it's good enough for a player who adds value in other areas. Sullinger was a good rebounder, but struggled with every other aspect of his game (including health). He needed to be able to score efficiently to stay in the league, but the same logic doesn't apply to Smart. 

It's also not like Smart is jacking up shots. His 11.2 FGA/36M this year ranked 8th on the team, just behind Rozier and Brown. That's despite the fact that he takes a lot of end-of-shot-clock shots that other players don't want to get up for fear of dragging their shooting percentages down. 

That's be a nice stat that Bradley and Smart had only 5 rebounds versus KO if KO wasn't 7 feet tall.

Yea the fact they played about 3 times the minutes doesn't matter right?

You just can't get over the fact he's 7 feet can you?  He's not a post player like Johnson.  Look at his stats, he impacts the game on a ton of levels.  If you pair him with a good rebounder you would be fine.  The problem is playing him with Horford.  We need another rebounding big.

So Horford is useless? All year long you keep complaining about our backup​ player, yet you say almost nothing about Horford. The guy that's our starter making max level money. As far as skills go shooting has to be #1 right now. That's his job as a floor spacer. The main problem is playing Horford and KO together, as both aren't great rebounders. This team needs another player like Johnson. This is all about having a flawed roster, not KO. He is far away from useless if used correctly.

Compare it to Evan Turner (career .490 TS%) or Rajon Rondo (career .500 TS%), then. A 30% three-point shooter is still more efficient than a 40% long-two shooter, which means Smart is roughly on par with those two from an overall efficiency point of view. No one is arguing that Smart is a good shooter. The point is that he's just good enough to be a useful player despite his bad shooting. 

He's not useless when his shot isn't falling and that's kind of the point

The offseason ridiculousness has already started and it's not even the offseason yet:

Knicks writer said that Porzingis could be had for a top pick and a player.