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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2017 19:54:43 GMT -5
I don't think his minutes are the issue. It's the rest of the benches minutes.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2017 19:56:01 GMT -5
Crowder has been brutal tonight
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2017 19:59:28 GMT -5
Fultz and Thomas would be a nice combination in the back court... someone else to score
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 16, 2017 20:00:43 GMT -5
I don't think his minutes are the issue. It's the rest of the benches minutes. Marcus takes really bad shots, and never gets benched for it. Jaylen makes one wrong decision, and we don't see him again for three games. Stevens did a bad job developing the bench all year, and they're paying for it now. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2017 20:01:36 GMT -5
I don't disagree with that
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 16, 2017 20:05:35 GMT -5
Portis has been draining shots all night, and the team continues to leave him open off penetration. That lack of adjustment is 100% on the staff.
And it makes even less sense when you factor in how closely they're guarding the perimeter despite Chicago being a bad shooting team. They're leaving themselves susceptible to pick and pops as a result.
I hate to beat a dead horse here, but this is basic stuff.
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Post by jmei on Apr 16, 2017 20:18:28 GMT -5
Portis is a bad shooter and always has been. I too would leave him open every time. Similarly, Chicago's poppers are almost always bad shooters. If you're going to be susceptible to something versus this team, be susceptible to that.
Brown had a few terrible defensive brainfarts that directly led to points. He looked lost trying to guard Butler and Wade.
Chicago's bit players played much better than the Celtics' bit players-- simple as that. That happens. It's a seven-game series. I'm not too worried.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 16, 2017 20:21:40 GMT -5
Marcus takes really bad shots, and never gets benched for it. Jaylen makes one wrong decision, and we don't see him again for three games. Marcus never looked as hopelessly lost as Jaylen did a couple of times on defense. This is not on Stevens, if anything this is on Jaylen being a rookie and seriously if you really want to blame anyone, blame Danny. But even then you probably shouldn't. |
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Apr 16, 2017 20:53:55 GMT -5
Watching Lopez tonight throwing trap blocks for screens was frustrating. If he's allowed to do that all series Butler will do very well.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 17, 2017 1:01:11 GMT -5
I don't think his minutes are the issue. It's the rest of the benches minutes. Marcus takes really bad shots, and never gets benched for it. Jaylen makes one wrong decision, and we don't see him again for three games. Stevens did a bad job developing the bench all year, and they're paying for it now. Kinda hard to develop a good bench when you have a flawed roster! Stop blaming our coach, it's not his fault. Blame the GM. We just got out rebounded by 17. Did Stevens have some good rebounder that he didn't play and left on the bench? This team is very flawed. Great coaching and a super human Thomas have carried this team all year. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 3:02:50 GMT -5
It must be the playoffs? Yes it is the playoffs.
The return of the greatest magician of all time is back. Yes you guessed it, Kelly Olynik and his magical disappearing act is back.
He plays half the game and has 4 rebounds while he and the other bigs give up how many offensive rebounds to the other team?
Got to say this was most predictable thing anyone can see coming. Kelly Olynik is a in-season compiler. He's not a big you want seeing in a postseason game. He's 7 feet tall and Isaah plays a bigger game then him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 7:26:10 GMT -5
Is there some issue that I don't know about where Amir Johnson isn't allowed to play more than a certain amount of minutes?
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 17, 2017 8:07:05 GMT -5
@umass they had a flawed roster last year too, yet their bench was terrific. Replacing Turner has a lot to do with that, but I don't remember the bench rotations being so outta whack in years past.
Aside from Smart, who's allowed to take any shot he wants, guys like Rozier, Jaylen, and Kelly are constantly looking over their shoulders after one bad play. It doesn't seem like any of the bench players understand their roles this year, and it hurt them last night.
(To be fair, I'm happy with the way Brad has developed Jaylen this season - I just wish he'd get a little more leeway now that the playoffs are here.)
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 8:19:26 GMT -5
Smart's shot selection is fine. He's not Dion Waiters or Nick Young throwing up contested midrange shots. His worst shots are pull-up threes above the break, but those often come at the end of the shot clock, and basic math means those shots still aren't too terrible.
More importantly, Smart's defense, hustle and passing more than make up for his poor shooting, and no one can accuse him of lack of effort or concentration. You can't say the same thing about Brown.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 8:31:47 GMT -5
Smart's shot selection is fine. He's not Dion Waiters or Nick Young throwing up contested midrange shots. His worst shots are pull-up threes above the break, but those often come at the end of the shot clock, and basic math means those shots still aren't too terrible. More importantly, Smart's defense, hustle and passing more than make up for his poor shooting, and no one can accuse him of lack of effort or concentration. You can't say the same thing about Brown. I don't think you can accuse Brown of those things either. He puts forth effort and if anything probably over thinks. His experience and knowledge is lacking as a 19 year old rookie. I think last nights game sped up for him but it wasn't due to effort or concentration which implies he's lazy or aloof. Brown only had 2 attempts and finished both. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 8:33:31 GMT -5
KO I don't think is looking over his shoulder, he's just soft and passive.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 8:47:43 GMT -5
I really feel like they need to limit the second unit minutes and like wcp said should have Isaiah or Horford on the court at almost all times together. In the NBA there are so many timeouts and TV stoppages that Brad really needs to be strategic and use those to rest his guys. Sure, end of quarters you can do certain things with a lineup to get extra rest.
The "second unit" definitely needs more offense so with that in mind here's my ideal lineup without Isaiah.
Smart
Green
Brown
KO/Jerebko
Horford
In this lineup, I'd work the post using Smart, Brown and Horford at different times depending on the matchups, not forcing one of them all the time.
Green should be in there from the get go to try and get his offense going.
Amir Johnson also needs to be getting looks for 30+ a night. He can rebound.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 8:48:48 GMT -5
On last thing. Was anyone else very excited about how Horford played last night? He was assertive and aggressive and basically he was the man... the fact we lost with him playing that way and Isaiah having a good game is very very disconcerting
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 8:56:53 GMT -5
Smart's shot selection is fine. He's not Dion Waiters or Nick Young throwing up contested midrange shots. His worst shots are pull-up threes above the break, but those often come at the end of the shot clock, and basic math means those shots still aren't too terrible. More importantly, Smart's defense, hustle and passing more than make up for his poor shooting, and no one can accuse him of lack of effort or concentration. You can't say the same thing about Brown. I don't think you can accuse Brown of those things either. He puts forth effort and if anything probably over thinks. His experience and knowledge is lacking as a 19 year old rookie. I think last nights game sped up for him but it wasn't due to effort or concentration which implies he's lazy or aloof. Brown only had 2 attempts and finished both. Fair enough. You can call it nerves or inexperience instead. Either way, when Brown is a sieve defensively, he doesn't add enough value on the offensive end to offset it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 9:05:59 GMT -5
I don't think you can accuse Brown of those things either. He puts forth effort and if anything probably over thinks. His experience and knowledge is lacking as a 19 year old rookie. I think last nights game sped up for him but it wasn't due to effort or concentration which implies he's lazy or aloof. Brown only had 2 attempts and finished both. Fair enough. You can call it nerves or inexperience instead. Either way, when Brown is a sieve defensively, he doesn't add enough value on the offensive end to offset it. He most certainly was last night. Do you feel that's how he was during the regular season? |
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 9:14:44 GMT -5
He was particularly bad last night, but he was inconsistent throughout the season. Despite that, he still averaged 17.2 minutes per game over the entire season (and 20+ minutes per game over the second half), including playing a good amount of crunch-time minutes. That seems about right to me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 9:31:16 GMT -5
Yea I'm fine with that and I'm sure his second half minutes will depend on how he plays in first half in game 2.
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 9:37:25 GMT -5
Butler and Wade are particularly bad matchups for Brown. Brown is athletic but jumpy; those guys know how to set him up with pump fakes or leaning one way and then crossing over the other way. I would not rely on Brown as the primary defender on either. Between Bradley, Smart and Crowder, they should be able to try and keep Brown on a less threatening offensive player.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 9:46:46 GMT -5
Yea no doubt about that... the Bulls might win this series because they have a couple things going for them.
1. They have the best player in the series and he's in a class above anyone else. That wins a lot in the NBA.
2. They have 3 guys who can create their own shot and the Celtics basically have 1. The other 2 are Wade and a motivated Rondo. Wade can only do it in spurts but with Butler that's all they need.
3. The Bulls bigger players may have their way on the glass - giving them second chance points and protecting the rim.
4. Most important - until it happens, I won't be able to see the Celtics winning a late close game against the Bulls. Butler guards IT in those spots then we are screwed offensively.
Might be an over-reaction to one game but this is the Celtics problem in the post season when game plans become a real thing. They needed to put the Bulls away early and not give them confidence - now they have it and it's going to be a long series if the Celtics are to win it.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 17, 2017 10:43:52 GMT -5
Is there some issue that I don't know about where Amir Johnson isn't allowed to play more than a certain amount of minutes? There is the issue that Amir Johnson is a not a very good basketball player to put it kindly. |
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