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Post by wcp3 on Apr 18, 2017 21:36:07 GMT -5
Congrats on the straw man argument!
(My position literally all year has been that Stevens is a top 3-5 coach in the game, but he's done his worst job with this roster. The lineups have been a mess since right around the ASB.)
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 18, 2017 23:28:18 GMT -5
Stevens continuing to rely on small ball more than usual against one of the best rebounding teams in the league. Explain that one to me. On the brightside next year we will have Zizic and the Dancing Bear I feel like those guys wont be scared like Olynyk and Crowder. |
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 18, 2017 23:35:48 GMT -5
Rondo Has been the Coach and the best player in this series so far! He was telling everybody what to do on defense and running tthe offense to perfection. These guys can beat the Hawks or the Wizards the way they have been playing and you all know how well the Bulls have played the Cavs. The Coach has handed Rondo the keys and he is running the show.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 18, 2017 23:50:04 GMT -5
I'm convinced one smart trade by Danny wouldn't have left the team on this hole.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 19, 2017 0:39:10 GMT -5
I'm convinced one smart trade by Danny wouldn't have left the team on this hole. Nah, In the words of David Ortiz "No room for scared b*****s around here". There are too many guys out there that rush and dont feel comfortable and its obviousl. The constructio of this team is too flawed especially if you want postseason success. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 19, 2017 1:36:35 GMT -5
Is it time to question whether Stevens system will work in the playoffs? Or is it just the players?
This is a regular season team, still. Highlights the fact that Danny has some work to do. Thankfully he has plenty of assets to work with.
Crowder is proving to be a nice piece off the bench on a good playoff team. Too many players are proving themselves not good enough to compete for a playoff win let alone a title.
Strangely I find part of me being happy for Rondo, not at the C's expense, but to go from being benched to leading them to playoff wins is a moral victory for him. Not to mention the taking to task the stars of that team publicly midseason. The mercurial one has struck again.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 7:27:59 GMT -5
Hard pass on Butler. Let's hope the pride for George comes way down in the offseason. I would hope the coaching staff gets a huge shakeup too. Stevens did make good adjustments with his bench last night. The big problems with this team are three fold: 1. Besides Isaiah they have no one who can creat their own offense so they need to constantly work really hard to score. 2. Rebounding is a major major issue. Part of it is scheme. Part of it is effort but the major issue is talent in that area. 3. They have no one to really protect the rim. Watching a guy like Robin Lopez highlights these last 2 issues. He would be perfect for this team. Really, if they go after Butler, they should be bringing him back with him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 7:34:22 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can watch Kelly Olynik in these games and think he's a useful player to keep around. His forte is supposed to be scoring but he can't even do that other than occasionally knock down an open 3. He got the ball in the low post middle of the paint last night and spun right (so left side of the hoop); nice spin he was in perfect layup position and instead of just doing a simple basic left handed layup he tried a right handed scoop shot and missed... Bulls. Rebound.
Next smart drives the left baseline and kicks the ball to KO wide open for a 8 foot jumped dead center and after pausing he panics and puts up an awkward jumper that's not even close. Missed wide left from under 10 feet away because he had no preconceived idea as to what to do once he got the ball.
Those two plays were only two of the many things he did to suck last night. I'd be talking about him thinking he could drive on Butler from 25 feet only to get his pocket picked right away but Butler missed the layup.
Those plays above were an easy 4 points at a key juncture that helped to bury the C's.
The guy is good at some things for some stretches during the regular season. He will have a long career. I hope he's gone after this season; he's not a guy you can have on a winning team making any kind of money. Come back when you're the Gerald Green contract.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 7:39:26 GMT -5
Congrats on the straw man argument! (My position literally all year has been that Stevens is a top 3-5 coach in the game, but he's done his worst job with this roster. The lineups have been a mess since right around the ASB.) He's definitely said this on multiple occasions so I took a coaching staff shake up to mean assistants. Usually when you say staff shake up it's not the head coach because you'd just say fire Stevens. It's pretty much a known that when you fire the head coach the staff typically goes with him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 7:40:59 GMT -5
Rondo Has been the Coach and the best player in this series so far! He was telling everybody what to do on defense and running tthe offense to perfection. These guys can beat the Hawks or the Wizards the way they have been playing and you all know how well the Bulls have played the Cavs. The Coach has handed Rondo the keys and he is running the show. The problem is Rondo is motivated so he's balling. Will the playoffs continue to motivate him or is it just the Celtics? If he plays like this he'd be such a great fit for Minnesota. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 7:44:33 GMT -5
Is it time to question whether Stevens system will work in the playoffs? Or is it just the players? This is a regular season team, still. Highlights the fact that Danny has some work to do. Thankfully he has plenty of assets to work with. Crowder is proving to be a nice piece off the bench on a good playoff team. Too many players are proving themselves not good enough to compete for a playoff win let alone a title. Strangely I find part of me being happy for Rondo, not at the C's expense, but to go from being benched to leading them to playoff wins is a moral victory for him. Not to mention the taking to task the stars of that team publicly midseason. The mercurial one has struck again. It's too early to question the system because they don't have the players to play it and you know who knows that? Danny... listen, he didn't make any trades because he knew this year wasn't the year no matter what and Danny is smart and patient - maybe to the frustration of many fans. This team is still in its rebuild - Danny is NOT going to sacrifice assets or players that he thinks may be key for the long term to make this team marginally better. Noel and Ibaka were not realistic options for this team. Ibaka's price was too much for this team for a rental and Noel we don't know the cost to the Cs plus he was likely a rental too. Can't hand that guy a big contract this offseason. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 7:50:16 GMT -5
Also, might be a good time to bring up that Smart was ballin last night. I'm sorry but you can hate on him all you want but show me one other guy who brings the intensity and work ethic he does. The guys not a perfect player but he's a winning player. Of course those guys can get overpaid in a hurry in this league but until then, I don't understand people who can't respect his game. When he's not put on the court with a lineup of scrubs and a bunch of guys who can't score he's a weapon off the bench.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 19, 2017 8:26:59 GMT -5
Also, might be a good time to bring up that Smart was ballin last night. I'm sorry but you can hate on him all you want but show me one other guy who brings the intensity and work ethic he does. The guys not a perfect player but he's a winning player. Of course those guys can get overpaid in a hurry in this league but until then, I don't understand people who can't respect his game. When he's not put on the court with a lineup of scrubs and a bunch of guys who can't score he's a weapon off the bench. It's corny to say, but he's a winning-type player who I want in at the end of games. We all know what he needs to work on, but I'm actually happy with his development, particularly as a playmaker. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 19, 2017 8:33:12 GMT -5
It's perfect. His shooting is going to keep his extension number down and, after we extend him, he'll turn into the superstar we all hoped.
Okay, maybe not. But I still love him on this team, limitations and all.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 12:31:51 GMT -5
Smart
Game 1- 3-9, 3-7 from 3, 2 rebounds, 6 Assists, 1 steal, 9 points in 31 minutes
Game 2- 6-11, 1-4 from 3, 8 rebounds, 2 Assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 13 points in 27 minutes.
I love Smart when he plays like he did last night. Would have liked one or two less 3s but overall he was very efficient. The problem is we get Smarts game one performance way more than we get Smarts game two performance. It also drives me crazy he hasn't got to the FT line once in last two games.
Edit: Wanted to add I love how mature Smart is flipping off people in the crowd.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 12:54:04 GMT -5
Is it time to question whether Stevens system will work in the playoffs? Or is it just the players? This is a regular season team, still. Highlights the fact that Danny has some work to do. Thankfully he has plenty of assets to work with. Crowder is proving to be a nice piece off the bench on a good playoff team. Too many players are proving themselves not good enough to compete for a playoff win let alone a title. Strangely I find part of me being happy for Rondo, not at the C's expense, but to go from being benched to leading them to playoff wins is a moral victory for him. Not to mention the taking to task the stars of that team publicly midseason. The mercurial one has struck again. It's too early to question the system because they don't have the players to play it and you know who knows that? Danny... listen, he didn't make any trades because he knew this year wasn't the year no matter what and Danny is smart and patient - maybe to the frustration of many fans. This team is still in its rebuild - Danny is NOT going to sacrifice assets or players that he thinks may be key for the long term to make this team marginally better. Noel and Ibaka were not realistic options for this team. Ibaka's price was too much for this team for a rental and Noel we don't know the cost to the Cs plus he was likely a rental too. Can't hand that guy a big contract this offseason. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about this current team. We aren't rebuilding! You just keep saying that and it's just not true. Rebuilding teams don't add max level free agents to a playoff team. You can say we are contending while building towards the future like the Spurs. That's not rebuilding. We have so many picks we are just cutting them, so yea we shouldn't trade any of them so we can actually win a playoff series. I can see the free agents lining up to sign with a team after getting bounced in the first round for two straight years. This team has been flawed since day one. I said it all offseason we didn't have enough rebounding. That's on Danny! He's waisting prime years of Thomas, Crowder, Bradley and what could be one of the last good years of Horford. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 13:09:44 GMT -5
It's too early to question the system because they don't have the players to play it and you know who knows that? Danny... listen, he didn't make any trades because he knew this year wasn't the year no matter what and Danny is smart and patient - maybe to the frustration of many fans. This team is still in its rebuild - Danny is NOT going to sacrifice assets or players that he thinks may be key for the long term to make this team marginally better. Noel and Ibaka were not realistic options for this team. Ibaka's price was too much for this team for a rental and Noel we don't know the cost to the Cs plus he was likely a rental too. Can't hand that guy a big contract this offseason. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about this current team. We aren't rebuilding! You just keep saying that and it's just not true. Rebuilding teams don't add max level free agents to a playoff team. You can say we are contending while building towards the future like the Spurs. That's not rebuilding. We have so many picks we are just cutting them, so yea we shouldn't trade any of them so we can actually win a playoff series. I can see the free agents lining up to sign with a team after getting bounced in the first round for two straight years. This team has been flawed since day one. I said it all offseason we didn't have enough rebounding. That's on Danny! He's waisting prime years of Thomas, Crowder, Bradley and what could be one of the last good years of Horford. Call it whatever you want. They aren't at the point of mortgaging their future or gambling on trading some of their future for a small upgrade for this roster because it's not a true contender. I look at that as them still rebuilding since they haven't gotten to their team they think of as a contender. Doesn't mean I think it's the start of that process. You can call it something else that's just semantics. Point is they aren't a true contender and aren't one rebounder away from one either. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 13:18:49 GMT -5
If you don't want to call it a rebuild then they are still building finding the right guys. Horfords max was as much about trying to land Durant as anything else.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 13:27:36 GMT -5
There's just a huge difference in rebuilding and contending while building towards the future. The two aren't the same and aren't interchangeable.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 14:05:01 GMT -5
I look at this team as competing not contending. They had no chance to win a title even with a guy like Noel or Ibaka.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 14:22:38 GMT -5
Have you seen what Ibaka has been doing on the Raptors? He fits this teams needs like a glove and is the perfect guy to put next to Horford in our current system. Would you most likely won a title? No, but it gave you a fighters chance at winning one. You act like there was a zero % chance and that's just not true.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 19, 2017 14:29:48 GMT -5
This team is struggling to win round one, and you think Ibaka gives them a fighting chance at winning the title?
Sorry, but no.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 15:24:06 GMT -5
Ibaka solves our rebounding issues, helps our interior D a ton, while still being able to space the floor and score. We wouldn't be down 0-2 with him.
His last two games in Playoffs 19 points, 14 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 16 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks.
Now go look at what Johnson, Jerebko and Zeller have done. Talk about massive upgrade.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 19, 2017 15:54:22 GMT -5
Rondo Has been the Coach and the best player in this series so far! He was telling everybody what to do on defense and running tthe offense to perfection. These guys can beat the Hawks or the Wizards the way they have been playing and you all know how well the Bulls have played the Cavs. The Coach has handed Rondo the keys and he is running the show. The problem is Rondo is motivated so he's balling. Will the playoffs continue to motivate him or is it just the Celtics? If he plays like this he'd be such a great fit for Minnesota. I dont think that Thibodou and Rondo would work. I know they were in Boston but right now Wade and Butler in the press conference were praising Rondo for knowing everything the other team is doing, telling everyone where to go on defense and calling the offensive plays and how he explains things in film sessions (which i heard was a shot at Hoiberg) which tells me that they put Rondo in charge and the coach is pretty much doing nothing. Doc and Rondo used to physically fight. Carlisle and Dirk literally hate Rondo and everyone knows it. Hoiberg has taken a back seat or the players took over. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 20, 2017 7:50:57 GMT -5
Have you seen what Ibaka has been doing on the Raptors? He fits this teams needs like a glove and is the perfect guy to put next to Horford in our current system. Would you most likely won a title? No, but it gave you a fighters chance at winning one. You act like there was a zero % chance and that's just not true. Apparently you missed the part where his price was too high for us to obtain. We didn't have a Ross caliber guy to trade or a 2017 first rd pick worth trading for him. |
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