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Post by texs31 on May 10, 2017 8:54:17 GMT -5
Just so we all have the details, Melo has a trade kicker so his salary escalates to something like $32Mn if moved.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 8:55:15 GMT -5
I just don't claim to know what players around the league think of him. Do I think he's a selling point on his own like a guy like Anthony Davis is? Of course not, but I think hes a strong part of the overall picture of this team. He's both a player who looks like he's on track to develop into a very good player with star upside and a player who carries significant trade value because of the former. Players aren't dump, having young assets and good draft picks in addition to the good team they have is all part of the selling point.
Your comment just seemed to dismiss Brown as a positive selling point and it made it seem like you had some knowledge of what players actually thought about him rather than just pure speculation on your part.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2017 8:58:42 GMT -5
If you're Hayward and your choice is Jazz or Celtics it makes a difference. Both teams got to second round. The Jazz have good young players. No offense but I don't think a player like Brown is going to do anything to change Haywards mind. I mean he had an ok rookie season. He showed flashes, but overall players aren't looking at him as a future stud. He has a long way to go, if he ever even comes close to that. This years pick might help, it might not. Depends were it ends up really. Hayward has seen first hand that high picks don't always pan out on Jazz. The Celtics being the clear #2 team in East would certainly help. As would a GM sending the message that he is trying to win now, not building a team for the future! The Jazz sent that message and had a great year, the Celtics didn't send that message. Let's be honest with Griffins injury again it's Hayward or bust for me. If you don't get him you could have added salary and got a player like Chandler. A guy that seems like a perfect fit for this team. You could have got Melo and seen what happens. Heck you could have got both players and had the players to give Cleveland a run, without hurting our future. We've done everything to preserve max cap space, so for me it seems silly to not do everything you can to help bring in that player that Danny is really hoping to get. This is insane. "Well, I'd sure love to play for Coach Stevens again, and the Celtics were the first seed in the East. They also look like they're going to be a great team next year and going forward. But they lost a hard-fought seven-game series to the Wizards in the Eastern Conf. semis, so I just can't sign with them!" OR "I don't want to play for Coach Stevens again--put the yearbook away and all that--and I really like playing for the Jazz... but the Celtics made it to the Eastern Conference Finals by beating the Wizards! I just have to sign there!" As for "trying to win now," you make it sound like they settled for the number 8 seed or pulled a Belichick and punted their picks into a future draft or something. How is the top seed in a conference (Cavs conceding the spot and all that, fine, but again, they were the top freaking seed) NOT trying to win now? Give me a break. You give me a break, nothing I said was insane. I said it would make a difference, not that it's the only thing that matters. Way to go to extremes to try and prove a point I clearly wasn't making. If he's sitting there torn on going to Celtics or staying with Jazz, it could certainly play a factor. That the Celtics are the clear #2 team in the East. A player away maybe from beating Cleveland. Once again the Mods are starting crap on this site! Way to go! |
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Post by texs31 on May 10, 2017 9:00:03 GMT -5
Basketball Insiders had a piece on possible landing spots for Rudy Gay and listed Boston first. Of course, it would be a plan (not A or B, for sure). But it got me thinking.
Both he and Melo are more combo forwards (Swings) than the pure SFs they used to be. Melo is a better scorer, of course but he's significantly more expensive both in contract (though it's not likely anyone is getting Rudy "on the cheap") and in assets given up (you'd have to give up SOMETHING for Melo).
So, if Hayward doesn't come here and we don't pull of a trade for Butler or George, what would you prefer:
1. Melo at $32Mn plus the loss of some asset(s)
2. Gay at whatever he would cost in the FA Market
3. Neither
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2017 9:12:59 GMT -5
I just don't claim to know what players around the league think of him. Do I think he's a selling point on his own like a guy like Anthony Davis is? Of course not, but I think hes a strong part of the overall picture of this team. He's both a player who looks like he's on track to develop into a very good player with star upside and a player who carries significant trade value because of the former. Players aren't dump, having young assets and good draft picks in addition to the good team they have is all part of the selling point. Your comment just seemed to dismiss Brown as a positive selling point and it made it seem like you had some knowledge of what players actually thought about him rather than just pure speculation on your part. My comment was to Texas who acted like Brown was a selling point to free agents. He's a good young player, that has a chance to be really good if he can get better at a lot of things. The Jazz have a bunch of players like that, so for getting a player like Hayward he means nothing. It's not speculation, it's a fact. Young players have to earn veterans respect we have seen it time and time again. Nothing Brown did as a rookie did that. Think back to Pierce as a rookie, you could tell he was special. It still took that major game against Lakers to get him respect and the nickname "the truth" from Shaq. With Shaq saying I thought he was good, I didn't know he was this good or something along those lines. There are tons of players like Brown, very few will become future studs. Nothing against Brown, he has a chance, but he also has a long way to go. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 9:27:18 GMT -5
I just don't claim to know what players around the league think of him. Do I think he's a selling point on his own like a guy like Anthony Davis is? Of course not, but I think hes a strong part of the overall picture of this team. He's both a player who looks like he's on track to develop into a very good player with star upside and a player who carries significant trade value because of the former. Players aren't dump, having young assets and good draft picks in addition to the good team they have is all part of the selling point. Your comment just seemed to dismiss Brown as a positive selling point and it made it seem like you had some knowledge of what players actually thought about him rather than just pure speculation on your part. My comment was to Texas who acted like Brown was a selling point to free agents. He's a good young player, that has a chance to be really good if he can get better at a lot of things. The Jazz have a bunch of players like that, so for getting a player like Hayward he means nothing. It's not speculation, it's a fact. Young players have to earn veterans respect we have seen it time and time again. Nothing Brown did as a rookie did that. Think back to Pierce as a rookie, you could tell he was special. It still took that major game against Lakers to get him respect and the nickname "the truth" from Shaq. With Shaq saying I thought he was good, I didn't know he was this good or something along those lines. There are tons of players like Brown, very few will become future studs. Nothing against Brown, he has a chance, but he also has a long way to go. That's fair but that's how the NBA is today. Can't compare Pierce and his rookie year to Brown. He was a 3 year college player and Brown was young for even a one year college player. I don't know maybe I'm crazy but I look at Jaylen and see a special player. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2017 9:36:32 GMT -5
My comment was to Texas who acted like Brown was a selling point to free agents. He's a good young player, that has a chance to be really good if he can get better at a lot of things. The Jazz have a bunch of players like that, so for getting a player like Hayward he means nothing. It's not speculation, it's a fact. Young players have to earn veterans respect we have seen it time and time again. Nothing Brown did as a rookie did that. Think back to Pierce as a rookie, you could tell he was special. It still took that major game against Lakers to get him respect and the nickname "the truth" from Shaq. With Shaq saying I thought he was good, I didn't know he was this good or something along those lines. There are tons of players like Brown, very few will become future studs. Nothing against Brown, he has a chance, but he also has a long way to go. That's fair but that's how the NBA is today. Can't compare Pierce and his rookie year to Brown. He was a 3 year college player and Brown was young for even a one year college player. I don't know maybe I'm crazy but I look at Jaylen and see a special player. The thing with Pierce is that game against Lakers was his 2nd or 3rd year in league if I remember right. I already thought he was a star, but it took a long time for the Vets to see him as one. As for Brown he just needs to keep getting better. He has all the physical tools, he just needs to work on his skills and his Basketball IQ. Pierce wasn't the athlete Brown is, but his skills and Basketball IQ was off the charts. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on May 10, 2017 12:29:20 GMT -5
I'm not trying to claim this means anything, but LeBron had very complimentary comments towards Brown earlier this year. He told the media he talked to Brown privately, and while he wouldn't share his exact words he said he was a really good talent and specifically complimented the way he plays the game, so it wasn't just crediting his talent or athletic ability. Now, this doesn't have much value to me, and he didn't earn some type of nickname like Pierce did from Shaq, but it at least shows that he made the biggest star in the sport take notice for one night.
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Post by texs31 on May 10, 2017 12:41:04 GMT -5
Whoa now. I didn't act like anything. My reference to Brown was as an asset not a player (which is why it was added to the mention of the picks). Now maybe that wasn't crystal clear but neither was the idea that a Free Agent would leave to go play with him (which appears to be what you're basing your comments on).
As I mentioned in the subsequent post, Utah is Utah. A nice up and coming team but not a lot of parts that they can move to take the next leap. Similarly, they only really have the ability to retain their core, not dramatically add to it.
Conversely, the C's have the assets and cap space to ADD to a team that has won more games. THAT is what shouldn't be too hard to figure out (by players or agents).
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Post by texs31 on May 10, 2017 13:36:01 GMT -5
And I just realized the error of my ways (Man, I sometimes wonder if I have time for this).
So I made 2 comments addressing 2 separate points:
1. That an agent/player should be able to see that the C's have the ability to build off of what they are doing - to address the comment about the importance of making the ECF.
2. That "wings" is the position in question and there can by 2 of those - to address the comment that Hayward and Brown play the same position which might be a reason why GH wouldn't come here to play with him.
These were separate statements addressing separate points. My mistake for not realizing they'd be packaged together. I should know better by now.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 13:39:45 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown should start tonight
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 19:27:59 GMT -5
Back to back great defensive plays by Jaylen
Then on next defensive possession he shows off his great athleticism saving the Rozier deflection which led to a dunk by Bradley
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 19:36:32 GMT -5
KO needs to realize an up fake on a defender that's 12 feet away doesn't work, nor does running that same defender over
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Post by wcp3 on May 10, 2017 19:46:30 GMT -5
Not sure how Crowder gets his shot blocked by a guy way shorter than him, but that could kick-start a Washington comeback.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 19:50:34 GMT -5
They need to settle this down STAT
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 19:51:05 GMT -5
That play by Horford could
Be a subtle game saver.
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Post by wcp3 on May 10, 2017 20:06:00 GMT -5
What a dreadful end to the half. The lead should be much bigger.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 20:07:46 GMT -5
I liked what I saw if Jaylen... I wish they would let him loose on offense a little... 11mins and no FGs
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 20:26:08 GMT -5
Horford keeps getting the key play to seemingly breakup any real long bad stretches
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Post by wcp3 on May 10, 2017 20:30:25 GMT -5
That official who called that T on Bradley should be beaten.
The Celtics get cheated by this league.
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Post by wcp3 on May 10, 2017 20:36:38 GMT -5
They're about to choke this lead away.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 20:37:02 GMT -5
How close do we think this gets? I'm gonna say 5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2017 20:47:05 GMT -5
Al Horford is saying that's not gonna happen... he's really showed how special of a player he is in the playoffs. Unfortunately, it hasn't been every game but adding a guy like Hayward to him and IT would be incredible.
I really wish/hope Avery Bradley can't stay healthy. When he is and he's on he's a fun guy to have and as a third/fourth scorer it'd be nice.
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Post by wcp3 on May 10, 2017 20:52:24 GMT -5
Smart would've had that steal if Beal wasn't allowed to hit him in the face.
But obviously the Celtics won't get a call that any other team in the postseason gets.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 10, 2017 21:02:07 GMT -5
That should be game. Awesome win. Once more until Cleveland.
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