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Post by voiceofreason on May 17, 2017 16:30:27 GMT -5
Danny is in an interesting place, he has sooo many options it is ridiculous. Hopefully he picks the right one and the C's are very good for a long time. A little luck would help but it seems that they have had plenty of that lately.
As fans all we can do is enjoy the ride.
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Post by wcp3 on May 17, 2017 17:26:02 GMT -5
Can we talk about how Jeff Goodman is the worst reporter ever? I don't understand how ESPN let's go of half its talent pool, and this miserable hack makes the cut.
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Post by texs31 on May 17, 2017 17:29:24 GMT -5
What'd he do/say? I missed it.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 19:07:46 GMT -5
I really hope he doesn't trade the pick. I can't see a trade that puts this team over the top and you don't give up a talent like Fultz for a team like that.
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Post by texs31 on May 17, 2017 19:22:53 GMT -5
There is a small list of players that I would trade the pick for and there is no reason to believe they are available (I'm talking young but established bigs).
One caveat would be a concept I heard on Felger and Mazz (who, typically, I'd ignore on topics like this but the principle made sense).
IF (and it's a big IF) Danny does value Jackson or Tatum similarly to Fultz then a trade back to pick up an asset would make some sense. I would just doubt that a) Danny thinks that and b) a team in the top 4 would value Fultz or Ball enough over the others to warrant trading an asset of any real value.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 17, 2017 19:26:52 GMT -5
You act like a sports nut, but just like with Smart being a RFA you don't know what you're talking about. Only one team can give Thomas 5 years and that's us. Every other team can only give him 4 years. So if we don't give it to him, he won't get 5 years. There's ways around that, like sign and trade options. No you don't know what you're talking about. Anyone but Fultz at number one? Please. Also these one year and opt out seems to be the new trend in the NBA in order to get that max deal, don't you agree? My God you just keep making yourself look worse. People make mistakes it's OK, but instead of just learning from it, you try to prove me wrong by saying something else that isn't true. Max length for sign and trade is 4 year. Only way Thomas gets 5 years if we give it to him. There is no way around it! Just cause I said I liked other players doesn't mean I wouldn't take Fultz right now at #1, because I would. According to Ford though it's not nearly as clear as you think it is. Bunch of teams have Ball ranked higher and at least one team has Tatum ranked #1. Fultz looks like the #1 guy overall, but it's not a no brainer for every team. He's not a LeBron for example where every single team takes him #1. Those one year deals with opt outs are going to stop because after the next increase there won't be more huge increases like we have seen. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 19:28:01 GMT -5
I just think Fultz is easily the best player in this draft and is going to be a great player and scorer in this league. I also happen to believe strongly in Jaylen Brown and there is also
A top 5 (likely) pick coming again next year. Not to mention Zizic and Yabusele could be real prospects/players even if they are just fringe starters great bench players. The team they have now, plus Hayward and adding the young guys is a perfect long term short term balance without really sacrificing anything on either. Now that they got the first pick this year I think you need to take the long term play while trying to get a Hayward to maximize what you have now.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 17, 2017 19:30:05 GMT -5
Bunch of teams have Ball ranked higher and at least one team has Tatum ranked #1. That one team is egregiously stupid, Tatum is barely faster than Olynyk. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 19:30:11 GMT -5
The two year deals with opt outs after one aren't as attractive because you can't use bird rights to resign the guy so it wouldn't really work well for Hayward because he cap holds we'd have on our own free agents would hurt the ability to keep them together
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 17, 2017 19:30:27 GMT -5
If making room for Hayward, Crowder is likely gone. Brown could easily fill in as back up (as he does today - he's shown signs of very good things but he's not a lock as a starting caliber wing yet). It's not going to be 1 player off the current roster to make room anyway (and it's likely to be 2 from the Bradley/Smart/Rozier/Crowder group so I think there will still be minutes for Hayward and Brown) If we're talking about clearing space what do you trade him for? Draft picks down the road? I think it's more likely they move a bunch of smaller pieces and then trade him after they get Hayward. Otherwise your options are very limited. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 19:31:48 GMT -5
Bunch of teams have Ball ranked higher and at least one team has Tatum ranked #1. That one team is egregiously stupid, Tatum is barely faster than Olynyk. Eh Tatum is legit but not Fultz legit and Ball is going to struggle in the NBA with no mid range game and difficulty going right with his shot on the left side of his head. Tatum is a better prospect than Brandon Ingram in my opinion |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 17, 2017 19:32:32 GMT -5
Horfords Salary is just way too high Dam! It'll be fair value next year when the cap goes up again. The cap isn't going up that much next year, it's not like this year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 19:34:02 GMT -5
If making room for Hayward, Crowder is likely gone. Brown could easily fill in as back up (as he does today - he's shown signs of very good things but he's not a lock as a starting caliber wing yet). It's not going to be 1 player off the current roster to make room anyway (and it's likely to be 2 from the Bradley/Smart/Rozier/Crowder group so I think there will still be minutes for Hayward and Brown) If we're talking about clearing space what do you trade him for? Draft picks down the road? I think it's more likely they move a bunch of smaller pieces and then trade him after they get Hayward. Otherwise your options are very limited. If they draft Fultz I think it's more likely they deal Bradley or Smart and keep Crowder as Crowder is cheaper and signed longer plus plays the 3/4 spot vs being a smaller wing. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 19:38:14 GMT -5
Can we talk about how Jeff Goodman is the worst reporter ever? I don't understand how ESPN let's go of half its talent pool, and this miserable hack makes the cut. That's your fault for watching or reading ESPN. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 17, 2017 19:42:01 GMT -5
There's ways around that, like sign and trade options. No you don't know what you're talking about. Anyone but Fultz at number one? Please. Also these one year and opt out seems to be the new trend in the NBA in order to get that max deal, don't you agree? My God you just keep making yourself look worse. People make mistakes it's OK, but instead of just learning from it, you try to prove me wrong by saying something else that isn't true. Max length for sign and trade is 4 year. Only way Thomas gets 5 years if we give it to him. There is no way around it! Just cause I said I liked other players doesn't mean I wouldn't take Fultz right now at #1, because I would. According to Ford though it's not nearly as clear as you think it is. Bunch of teams have Ball ranked higher and at least one team has Tatum ranked #1. Fultz looks like the #1 guy overall, but it's not a no brainer for every team. He's not a LeBron for example where every single team takes him #1. Those one year deals with opt outs are going to stop because after the next increase there won't be more huge increases like we have seen. I hadn't been aware of the rule change recently. I knew it had happened recently with the Love trade. The one year deals won't stop if players want to go get a max deal with a team the prefer to sign with and want the 5 year max deal to follow. If everyone is agreeing Fultz is the best overall player then it is pretty clear cut by the way, the only way the Celtics draft someone else is if they trade down, not take a different player at number one. That is the truth. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 17, 2017 19:44:14 GMT -5
Bunch of teams have Ball ranked higher and at least one team has Tatum ranked #1. That one team is egregiously stupid, Tatum is barely faster than Olynyk. You're being way to harsh on Tatum, he's a really good player. |
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Post by wcp3 on May 17, 2017 19:59:25 GMT -5
Can we talk about how Jeff Goodman is the worst reporter ever? I don't understand how ESPN let's go of half its talent pool, and this miserable hack makes the cut. That's your fault for watching or reading ESPN. They were interviewing him on CSNNE. |
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Post by wcp3 on May 17, 2017 20:04:18 GMT -5
What a joke of a start.
I don't care if they lose, but try competing.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 20:05:07 GMT -5
That's your fault for watching or reading ESPN. They were interviewing him on CSNNE. My bad |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 20:05:24 GMT -5
What a joke of a start. I don't care if they lose, but try competing. Lebron just dominates |
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Post by wcp3 on May 17, 2017 20:05:38 GMT -5
Is there a bigger waste of talent than Deron Williams? He could've been a Hall of Famer if he cared even a little.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 20:06:03 GMT -5
Is there a bigger waste of talent than Deron Williams? He could've been a Hall of Famer if he cared even a little. Derrick Coleman? |
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Post by wcp3 on May 17, 2017 20:13:55 GMT -5
Oh look, zero calls are going the Celts' way. How weird.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2017 20:14:36 GMT -5
I hope Jaylen is back in this half because he's been the best player besides Bradley
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Post by wcp3 on May 17, 2017 20:24:06 GMT -5
The vets have been puking all over themselves tonight, so I'm fine with them going with Jaylen, Terry and co the rest of the game.
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