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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2017 6:27:48 GMT -5
Yea lots of chatter because it's boring otherwise. If Fultz isn't the choice then Ainge has gone crazy and it also doesn't line up with reports he was trying to get number 1 trade protection when they were having trade talks. Sitting at one the decision couldn't be easier.
I do agree that Jackson is a Celtics type player; he's actually just any teams type of player in today's NBA but he's not the top player in the draft for a reason and he's not even a tier 1 player for a reason.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2017 6:29:49 GMT -5
By the way it's looking like Kennard had flown up draft boards and rightfully so. Guys a silky smooth scorer and has good size. He shoots like Korver, can pass and create space in the mid range game even without great quickness. Silky smooth. Some are saying Knicks might take him, but looks like Pistons are his floor.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 16, 2017 12:33:36 GMT -5
What I said was very clear. My original post, in its entirety: "According to Chad Ford, the same guy who has been caught altering his mock drafts and player rankings post-draft. Lol ESPN Insider." I criticized Chad Ford. Period. I stand by that criticism. He did what I claim he did. It bothers me. Apparently it doesn't bother you. Okay. WALDT. But please do not distort what I said, which you've done repeatedly in this thread. There's plenty enough to argue about, if that's what you seek. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 12:51:34 GMT -5
What I said was very clear. My original post, in its entirety: "According to Chad Ford, the same guy who has been caught altering his mock drafts and player rankings post-draft. Lol ESPN Insider." I criticized Chad Ford. Period. I stand by that criticism. He did what I claim he did. It bothers me. Apparently it doesn't bother you. Okay. WALDT. But please do not distort what I said, which you've done repeatedly in this thread. There's plenty enough to argue about, if that's what you seek. There's nothing to talk about if you think your comment was clear. Sure the hating Ford part was clear. You keep failing to look at the context. When you add in the post before it, about the strength of the draft. You said "According to Ford", the guys a hack. That's you implying the information is usless because it came from Ford. If that's not what you meant OK, we move on. The thing is, that's the way it comes off. I'm not the only one that took it that way. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2017 12:55:28 GMT -5
Ok I'm not a mod but as a reader I'm going to ask that we move on from this conversation about Ford.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 16, 2017 13:05:28 GMT -5
I second that with a request that, every time someone posts something from Ford, we don't have to hear the same broken record.
Everyone knows what happened. Reiterating it every time is not productive to the discussion. If someone doesn't trust him as a source, ignore the information. If you don't believe the incident reflects on the info provided, great.
Then we can all move on.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 13:12:19 GMT -5
Yea lots of chatter because it's boring otherwise. If Fultz isn't the choice then Ainge has gone crazy and it also doesn't line up with reports he was trying to get number 1 trade protection when they were having trade talks. Sitting at one the decision couldn't be easier. I do agree that Jackson is a Celtics type player; he's actually just any teams type of player in today's NBA but he's not the top player in the draft for a reason and he's not even a tier 1 player for a reason. I still think 95% chance Fultz is the pick. I just don't see how wanting #1 protection on pick has anything to do with that report. It just means they thought the value of the #1 pick was too much to give up in a trade. It doesn't mean they have to make the first pick. They can still trade it. If that 5% comes true. They want Jackson, they better take Fultz, then trade him to get Jackson. I would be very upset if they just take Jackson #1 overall. I will say this Danny really doesn't care about other peoples rankings. He proved that last year with Brown. That report has a qoute from a GM saying Jackson's ceiling is just as high, if not higher than Fultz and Ball. In Fords tier rankings Jackson, Fox and Tatum all received tier 1 votes. So some teams see them as tier 1 players. The way I look at it, you can't assume anything is a given. We don't know what the Celtics tier 1 rankings look like. For all we know he could have 1, 2, 3, 4, maybe even 5 tier 1 guys in his ranking. Maybe Danny voted Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum and Fox as tier 1. While unlikely, it could be the truth. We just don't know. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 13:15:56 GMT -5
By the way it's looking like Kennard had flown up draft boards and rightfully so. Guys a silky smooth scorer and has good size. He shoots like Korver, can pass and create space in the mid range game even without great quickness. Silky smooth. Some are saying Knicks might take him, but looks like Pistons are his floor. I like him, but not that high. The Kings at 10 doesn't make much sense. The Pistons at 12 does though. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2017 14:52:39 GMT -5
Kennard is the type of guy that gets overlooked because he's white, not flashy and doesn't have great "measurable" minus his height. His ceiling is lower as a result but his shooting ability is probably the best in the draft and his skill is some of the best as well.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 15:02:27 GMT -5
Kennard is a great shooter, that is skilled. I 100% agree. Thing is he has a shorter wingspan than height. He doesn't have a great first step or good lateral quickness. He is going to kill your D at the next level and I wonder if he's just a 3 point specialist in NBA. I would take Josh Hart over him all day long.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2017 15:04:11 GMT -5
Kennard is a great shooter, that is skilled. I 100% agree. Thing is he has a shorter wingspan than height. He doesn't have a great first step or good lateral quickness. He is going to kill your D at the next level and I wonder if he's just a 3 point specialist in NBA. I would take Josh Hart over him all day long. Eh I don't agree he's going to kill your defense. His arms are short for his height but they aren't short for a shooting guard in general and he's a smart defender. So no he's not going to be winning defensive player of the year votes but I wouldn't say he's going to be terrible either. |
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Post by jmei on Jun 16, 2017 15:04:13 GMT -5
Love it when the board moderates itself. Thanks for recognizing that it was time to move on.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2017 15:07:40 GMT -5
I know the last thing this team needs is another Guard right now but if Frank Jackson is still there at 37 I'd be Hally as hell if they took him.
The other guy I'm intrigued by but will probably not even get drafted is Brimah. Wonder if they could draft him and get him to go over seas and make money.
In any event, if they keep the second round picks they need to try and stash at least 2 of them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 15:18:14 GMT -5
Pick #37 is going to be a good player. We better plan on keeping the pick and player. You can't go wrong with Jackson. Stick him in D league or end of bench. That's great value. There are about 12 players I like with that pick. If I had to pick one, I pick Cameron Oliver. We just don't have a player like him. Seems like a great fit.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 16:17:04 GMT -5
Wojo is blowing up Twitter reporting that the Celtics and 76's are close to reaching a deal to swapping the 1rst pick and 3rd pick and a future first rounder.
I guess the Celtics aren't that high on Fultz as everyone thought.
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Post by jmei on Jun 16, 2017 16:24:59 GMT -5
Both Woj and Stein/Lowe at ESPN are reporting the same thing.
Marc Stein @espnsteinline 25m ago
League sources tell @zachlowe_NBA and me that the Sixers and Celtics are in serious talks on a trade involving the No. 1 overall pick.
Zach Lowe @zachlowe_NBA 23m ago
In current parameters, BOS would receive several picks and no players, sources say. Have to think No. 3 would be involved.
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojverticalnba 15m ago
Sources: Philadelphia is waiting on medical information on Markelle Fultz, but deep into talks on acquiring Boston's No. 1 overall pick.
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojverticalnba 15m ago
Boston would acquire Sixers No. 3 overall pick in 2017 and package to include future first from Sixers, sources say.
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojverticalnba 12m ago
Deal talks are far enough along that Fultz could be on his way to Philadelphia for a meeting Saturday, sources say.
Marc Stein @espnsteinline 9m ago
Current iteration, per league sources to @espn, is a package of a draft picks from Philly, including No. 3 overall, to the Celtics for No. 1
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 16:27:01 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 16:31:54 GMT -5
The Celtics don't need to trade ANY players to sign a max contract if they sign a player at the number 3 slot in the draft on a rookie deal.
I think that's the biggest part about all this.
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Post by jmei on Jun 16, 2017 16:32:16 GMT -5
You'd think that the Sixers would give up either their unprotected 2018 first-round pick or the Lakers' unprotected 2018 first-round pick.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 16:35:36 GMT -5
You'd think that the Sixers would give up either their unprotected 2018 first-round pick or the Lakers' unprotected 2018 first-round pick. They have a unprotected Sacramento pick in 2019 too, I think. I think the Celtics are looking at at both the Lakers pick and that Sacramento pick maybe. According to sources, the Celtics are looking to fleece a team in a trade for this number one pick. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 16:40:38 GMT -5
Sh*t is going down right now.
Lol there is someone reporting that draft picks could be headed to Chicago in a package to acquire Jimmy Butler.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 16:42:45 GMT -5
The Celtics don't need to trade ANY players to sign a max contract if they sign a player at the number 3 slot in the draft on a rookie deal. I think that's the biggest part about all this. I think that's only a small part of this, but it does help. Overall this Sounds like Jackson is Dannys guy, so he gets his guy and more picks. No way he trades down to #3 just to clear salary. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2017 16:44:43 GMT -5
Sh*t is going down right now. Lol there is someone reporting that draft picks could be headed to Chicago in a package to acquire Jimmy Butler. Makes sense, get Jackson, then flip the other pick you get for a Vet. You get a great young player and a great Vet. Best of both worlds. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 16:49:31 GMT -5
Sh*t is going down right now. Lol there is someone reporting that draft picks could be headed to Chicago in a package to acquire Jimmy Butler. Makes sense, get Jackson, then flip the other pick you get for a Vet. You get a great young player and a great Vet. Best of both worlds. Crowder would have to be heading back to Chicago. You have to think that Blake Griffin is the free agent target with all these wing players coming to Boston. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2017 16:51:56 GMT -5
I'm just glad the Celtics might find a way to keep both Smart and Bradley on this roster. I really like both players.
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