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Post-Draft Discussion Thread
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 15:30:53 GMT -5
Besides Donny Diaz and Denholm who else is in play, since we may have some extra cash? Anu and Dearden? Just keep Dearden away from the concession stands or stay away from the stands if he's in the park. BYOB. Thats really hard to predict this early on but I'd say a couple things: First, in a 'worst case scenario,' its possible that Netzer signs for slot and Thompson goes overslot, in which case all of our savings from senior signs and the 5% wiggle room go to signing Scherff and Thompson. It Netzer is under by a little, and Thompson is closer to slot, then that gives some money to play with after Round 11. I'd look at draft position to get a clue as to how we might be prioritizing those funds. My guess is that Aaron Perry could be the top dog in that case. The Diaz, Denholm, Anu, and Dearden range of our class looks a lot like the Shepherd, Fitzgerald, Jones, Belge run from the year before. I think these are guys who based on conversations during the draft process, were priced out of our range but we decided to draft anyways in the off-chance that earlier guys don't sign and we run into some unexpected funds. In other words, these are long shots. If Perry were to sign, then I don't think we're likely to sign any of the other guys mentioned here. I guess I missed it. Did Brannen and the seton hall guy sign? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 21, 2017 15:32:03 GMT -5
Plan right now is to do a July 1 update as usual and our typical update after the signing deadline, yes.
Speaking only for me:
- Scherff is nowhere near Groome.
- Houck >> Anderson & Shawaryn >>>> Thompson
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Post by ramireja on Jun 21, 2017 15:37:58 GMT -5
Thats really hard to predict this early on but I'd say a couple things: First, in a 'worst case scenario,' its possible that Netzer signs for slot and Thompson goes overslot, in which case all of our savings from senior signs and the 5% wiggle room go to signing Scherff and Thompson. It Netzer is under by a little, and Thompson is closer to slot, then that gives some money to play with after Round 11. I'd look at draft position to get a clue as to how we might be prioritizing those funds. My guess is that Aaron Perry could be the top dog in that case. The Diaz, Denholm, Anu, and Dearden range of our class looks a lot like the Shepherd, Fitzgerald, Jones, Belge run from the year before. I think these are guys who based on conversations during the draft process, were priced out of our range but we decided to draft anyways in the off-chance that earlier guys don't sign and we run into some unexpected funds. In other words, these are long shots. If Perry were to sign, then I don't think we're likely to sign any of the other guys mentioned here. I guess I missed it. Did Brannen and the seton hall guy sign? Nope, I'm only guessing that Brannen and Schellenger are slot signs, but any surprises there would impact this calculus. For what its worth, Brannen has been down in Ft. Meyers with the org to my knowledge, but nothing has been announced yet. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 21, 2017 15:46:13 GMT -5
All this back and forth when CBA agreement time comes up between owners and the players union is nothing with the big league tems really. The miLB teams at AA and below is where the rosters SHOULD have been expanded many years ago be 2-3 more and no reason not to do it at anytime. It's not like the kids make more than peanuts and would cost anything. medical expenses probably cost a little, but really.. This should have been a priority decades back.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 21, 2017 15:47:54 GMT -5
Plan right now is to do a July 1 update as usual and our typical update after the signing deadline, yes. Speaking only for me: - Scherff is nowhere near Groome. - Houck >> Anderson & Shawaryn >>>> Thompson So I'm assuming the J2 players would be ranked after the signing deadline? What's the early thought on where the three big signings that we are currently connected to (Flores, Danny Diaz, and Antoni Flores) are going to be ranked? Any way Daniel Flores breaks the top 10 as a 16 year old? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 21, 2017 15:49:31 GMT -5
Well, keep in mind that signing for slot is really signing for a little below "slot" when you factor in the 5%. That's another $130,725 they can spend somewhere else.
Cap+5% for the guys that signed: $3,215,520
Amount saved so far for other picks: $586,020
Anyway, that's one way to look at it, the other would be that they saved $405,900 on the seniors, plus have $283,355 in 5% buffer to spend, giving them $689,255 in extra cash. Just a matter of accounting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 21, 2017 15:53:48 GMT -5
Plan right now is to do a July 1 update as usual and our typical update after the signing deadline, yes. Speaking only for me: - Scherff is nowhere near Groome. - Houck >> Anderson & Shawaryn >>>> Thompson So I'm assuming the J2 players would be ranked after the signing deadline? What's the early thought on where the three big signings that we are currently connected to (Flores, Danny Diaz, and Antoni Flores) are going to be ranked? Any way Daniel Flores breaks the top 10 as a 16 year old? Correct, we don't rank anyone until they officially sign. I presume Flores cracks the top 10 in this system, yes, but no promises and I'm speaking only for me. I'd consider putting him in the top 5, to be frank. No idea on the shortstops. |
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Post by azblue on Jun 21, 2017 16:07:04 GMT -5
To "second" jimoh's "motion," electronically timed information from workouts is often based on the runner starting when he chooses and tripping a "wand" that starts the clock, thereby eliminating reaction time. An electronic time at a track meet includes reaction time after a starter's signal. It is plausible that a player at a workout could come close to or beat the time of an elite track athlete but still be a slower runner. Despite the fact that it is an apples to oranges comparison, anyone who approaches the time of an elite track athlete at a workout is still a burner. There are many variables that should be acknowledged, but the bottom line is that Brannen can fly.
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Post by rpiguy on Jun 21, 2017 23:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on Jun 22, 2017 2:32:37 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 22, 2017 16:11:05 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jun 22, 2017 16:15:09 GMT -5
...and there go some savings. Not mad at it, but one of those unexpected things that happen and you realize you don't have a lot of money to play with after Round 10.
Kutter Crawford, Dominic LoBrutto, Charlie Madden, and Garrett Benge all added to the Lowell Roster.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 22, 2017 16:26:36 GMT -5
Looks like Frankie Rios also added. And UDFA Durin O'Linger, RHP from Davidson.
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Post by usdballum on Jun 22, 2017 16:29:43 GMT -5
Per Callis: 2nd-rder Cole Brannen signs w/ redsox for $1.3 mil (pick 63 = $993,900). Georgia HS OF, well ab-avg speed, hit & CF instincts. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 22, 2017 16:30:29 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 22, 2017 17:02:28 GMT -5
That seems like a LOT. Have to get Netzer for $400k-ish if they need to spend another $100k for Schellenger or Thompson. This could be tight. And one of those guys would have to go for slot (unless they each get about $50k over). I can't imagine both of those guys going for slot. And no signing after round 10 for more than $125k. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 23, 2017 6:55:16 GMT -5
I agree that seems like way too much money for Brannen. Effectively eliminates most chances for any tough signs post round 10 with this over slot bonus. Disappointing.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 23, 2017 10:58:41 GMT -5
Red Sox announce the signing of Brannen, Scherff (700K) and Schellenger (?) Also: Garrett Benge (13th round), right-handed pitcher Kutter Crawford (16th round), shortstop Frankie Rios (17th round), left-handed pitcher Dominic LoBrutto (18th round), right-handed pitcher Hunter Haworth (22nd round), catcher Charlie Madden (24th round), left-handed pitcher Kory Behenna (25th round), second baseman Xavier LeGrant (27th round), third baseman Michael Osinski (31st round), right-handed pitcher Taylor Ahearn (32nd round), left-handed pitcher Tanner Raiburn (33rd round), first baseman Trey Ganns (35th round), and left-handed pitcher Rio Gomez (36th round). And another UDFA: Third baseman Jecorrah Arnold out of Clarke Central High School (GA) m.redsox.mlb.com/news/article/238259834/red-sox-sign-16-additional-players-selected-in-2017-june-draft/ |
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 23, 2017 10:59:06 GMT -5
Press Release
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 23, 2017 11:06:42 GMT -5
Thankfully we don't have to wait like last year for anything to start happening. I can't imagine Schellinger will get more than slot.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 23, 2017 11:20:25 GMT -5
One of the top third-base prospects in the state of Georgia, Arnold committed to Lipscomb University after also being recruited by programs like Georgia and Georgia Tech.
While Arnold is still developing his strength and physical profile, he shows raw ability and a playable arm in the field. There is a lot of movement to his hitting rhythm, but he produces line drives and his bat could project to nearly average power with more growth.
Source: MLB
He was actually ranked as a top 500 PG draft prospect I believe, but I can't access the actual rank.
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Post by bnich on Jun 23, 2017 12:20:26 GMT -5
One of the top third-base prospects in the state of Georgia, Arnold committed to Lipscomb University after also being recruited by programs like Georgia and Georgia Tech. While Arnold is still developing his strength and physical profile, he shows raw ability and a playable arm in the field. There is a lot of movement to his hitting rhythm, but he produces line drives and his bat could project to nearly average power with more growth. Source: MLB He was actually ranked as a top 500 PG draft prospect I believe, but I can't access the actual rank. This is certainly surprising to me to see a HS UDFA. Academic issues? or was he just dead set on starting his professional career? Anyone else have any information on him? Has this happened before? ALSO: Jim CallisVerified account @jimcallismlb Following More 5th-rder Alex Scherff signs w/ redsox for $700k (pick 161=$296,500). Texas HS RHP, reaches 98 & owns advanced changeup. @mlbdraft |
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Post by jchang on Jun 23, 2017 12:35:20 GMT -5
this is curious, for the #1, 2, 8,9,10 picks, slot money is 4,029,300, the 5% extra for those picks is $201,465.
The above picks were signed for 3,929,500, for 99,800 under slot.
this means we have slot for each of the 5 remaining, plus the 5% plus the net of about 301K from picks 1-2+8-10.
So if we signed #5 for 700K, 403.5K over slot (the 5% on #5 is 14,825), then we are short of money $87,410 unless one of the remaining picks signs for that much under slot+5%
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 23, 2017 12:40:07 GMT -5
this is curious, for the #1, 2, 8,9,10 picks, slot money is 4,029,300, the 5% extra for those picks is $201,465. The above picks were signed for 3,929,500, for 99,800 under slot. this means we have slot for each of the 5 remaining, plus the 5% plus the net of about 301K from picks 1-2+8-10. So if we signed #5 for 700K, 403.5K over slot (the 5% on #5 is 14,825), then we are short of money $87,410 unless one of the remaining picks signs for that much under slot+5%That's where Netzer comes in, hopefully. If you go by rankings (I know that's difficult to do, but it's what we've got), he was picked about 100 spots early and is similarly ranked to Schellinger, picked in the 6th. |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 23, 2017 12:55:03 GMT -5
this is curious, for the #1, 2, 8,9,10 picks, slot money is 4,029,300, the 5% extra for those picks is $201,465. The above picks were signed for 3,929,500, for 99,800 under slot. this means we have slot for each of the 5 remaining, plus the 5% plus the net of about 301K from picks 1-2+8-10. So if we signed #5 for 700K, 403.5K over slot (the 5% on #5 is 14,825), then we are short of money $87,410 unless one of the remaining picks signs for that much under slot+5% Hmm...not sure if I'm following your math perfectly but if you wondering whether we are currently projected to go over the cap space...we're not as bad as you think, although it seems like we need at least slight savings from somewhere. Here's another way of looking at it. Looking at the total cap space, we have a 5% cushion which results in $283,355 to allocate. Further, we saved a total of $405,900 across the senior signs. Combined that gives us $689,255 to work with for overslot signings. Now we have Brannen signing for 1.3 mill ($306,100 over) and Scherff signing for 700k ($403,500). Combined that puts us at $709,600 over and after subtracting the $689,255, I'm seeing $20,345 that we're going to need to save between the Netzer, Thompson, Schellenger, and Esplin signings. |
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