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Post by bigpupp on Jul 15, 2017 19:20:49 GMT -5
I'm not trading Flores straight up for Frazier, nevermind add a Ockimey, Dalbec, Beeks, Johnson, Brannen, Scherff or Shawaryn. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for Frazier. A couple of lower guys and I would gladly do it, otherwise no. Edit there are a bunch of guys in the 20-40 range I wouldn't trade either. Again, I meant to type 7, so Flores is off limits, and a few of the guys you mentioned in your post can't be traded right now anyway. I guess I just don't see the upside in the players you're mentioning. Even if there was upside, the likelihood of them contributing as much as Frazier will this season is miniscule. This current team is too good to hope that Lin or Marrero don't turn into a pumpkin, and Frazier gives us a damn good chance at improving without touching the impactful players on the farm. |
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 15, 2017 19:24:45 GMT -5
Part of the reason that I would be so reluctant to give up much of anything is how thin this system is. It's gotten better, but to lose any player that's truly worth much would be a big hit. A couple years ago and I would trade a decent enough prospect for Frazier, but not when we need all the prospects we can get.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 15, 2017 19:37:04 GMT -5
Part of the reason that I would be so reluctant to give up much of anything is how thin this system is. It's gotten better, but to lose any player that's truly worth much would be a big hit. A couple years ago and I would trade a decent enough prospect for Frazier, but not when we need all the prospects we can get. Depends on how you look at it. I wouldn't hesitate in giving up our 10th best prospect this year, but would have minded doing the same when our 10th best prospect was still on a top 100 list. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 15, 2017 20:02:42 GMT -5
I'm not trading Flores straight up for Frazier, nevermind add a Ockimey, Dalbec, Beeks, Johnson, Brannen, Scherff or Shawaryn. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for Frazier. A couple of lower guys and I would gladly do it, otherwise no. Edit there are a bunch of guys in the 20-40 range I wouldn't trade either. Again, I meant to type 7, so Flores is off limits, and a few of the guys you mentioned in your post can't be traded right now anyway. I guess I just don't see the upside in the players you're mentioning. Even if there was upside, the likelihood of them contributing as much as Frazier will this season is miniscule. This current team is too good to hope that Lin or Marrero don't turn into a pumpkin, and Frazier gives us a damn good chance at improving without touching the impactful players on the farm. Well you said anyone outside top 6, than top 7. Can always do a player to be named. If you didn't mean those players ok. It's not about just this season though. Johnson, Beeks and guys like Shawaryn is our future pitching depth. With Owens tanking we need those guys. Ockimey just has to much value and upside. Dalbec you can debate, but not for me. We need guys that can add depth over next 3 years. I'm all about adding a Vet, but at the right cost. That why I wanted Plouffe, a solid Vet. I wouldn't mind Frazier, but only at the right price. Not any two players not in our top 7. More like the right two players. |
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 15, 2017 20:17:21 GMT -5
Again, I meant to type 7, so Flores is off limits, and a few of the guys you mentioned in your post can't be traded right now anyway. I guess I just don't see the upside in the players you're mentioning. Even if there was upside, the likelihood of them contributing as much as Frazier will this season is miniscule. This current team is too good to hope that Lin or Marrero don't turn into a pumpkin, and Frazier gives us a damn good chance at improving without touching the impactful players on the farm. Well you said anyone outside top 6, than top 7. Can always do a player to be named. If you didn't mean those players ok. It's not about just this season though. Johnson, Beeks and guys like Shawaryn is our future pitching depth. With Owens tanking we need those guys. Ockimey just has to much value and upside. Dalbec you can debate, but not for me. We need guys that can add depth over next 3 years. I'm all about adding a Vet, but at the right cost. That why I wanted Plouffe, a solid Vet. I wouldn't mind Frazier, but only at the right price. Not any two players not in our top 7. More like the right two players. Brannon and Scherff can't be named as PTBNL until after this season and those are the only two that I would agree on not wanting to trade in that range. To your larger point, yes I certainly agree. I would obviously want to trade the "right" players, but Chicago doesn't owe us any favors and won't move him for nothing. We can certainly go back and forth on the players you mention, (and you do make a good point with needing depth in the pitching department), I just don't feel confident in any player past 7 helping the Sox more than Frazier would for the rest of the year. I'll probably end up being wrong by the end (I usually am) but after watching 14 innings of this offense I could be talked in to pretty much anyone being a net bonus for this team. |
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Post by danr on Jul 15, 2017 21:20:34 GMT -5
I am not in favor of trading for a rental. I am in favor of trading for a game changer, someone who could take the place of Ortiz. I am completely convinced that no such trade can be made at this time. With Kelly injured, the Sox may have to get another RP. That might be all they should do.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 15, 2017 21:29:57 GMT -5
I am not in favor of trading for a rental. I am in favor of trading for a game changer, someone who could take the place of Ortiz. I am completely convinced that no such trade can be made at this time. With Kelly injured, the Sox may have to get another RP. That might be all they should do. If only there was a David Ortiz tree where we could pluck one off whenever he was needed. Alas, David Ortiz, like money, doesn't grow on trees. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 15, 2017 21:46:56 GMT -5
Brannon and Scherff can't be named as PTBNL until after this season and those are the only two that I would agree on not wanting to trade in that range. For what it's worth, that's no longer allowed. Part of the Trea Turner rule is that you can no longer just use a PTBNL as a placeholder for a player who is ineligible to be traded until that eligibility kicks in. |
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 15, 2017 21:52:58 GMT -5
Brannon and Scherff can't be named as PTBNL until after this season and those are the only two that I would agree on not wanting to trade in that range. For what it's worth, that's no longer allowed. Part of the Trea Turner rule is that you can no longer just use a PTBNL as a placeholder for a player who is ineligible to be traded until that eligibility kicks in. I think I said it awkwardly, but that's what I was trying to say. The person I quoted said "anyone can be a PTBNL" so I said those two players can't be a PTBNL until this summer (then they would be eligible). The point being that they are ineligible, even as a PTBNL, to be traded for Frazier. |
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Post by cardsox on Jul 16, 2017 9:02:44 GMT -5
Clearly we have several guys that will be rule 5 eligible and they are somewhat expendable. They are the guys available to trade for a Frazier type in my mind.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2017 9:32:41 GMT -5
Again, I meant to type 7, so Flores is off limits, and a few of the guys you mentioned in your post can't be traded right now anyway. I guess I just don't see the upside in the players you're mentioning. Even if there was upside, the likelihood of them contributing as much as Frazier will this season is miniscule. This current team is too good to hope that Lin or Marrero don't turn into a pumpkin, and Frazier gives us a damn good chance at improving without touching the impactful players on the farm. Well you said anyone outside top 6, than top 7. Can always do a player to be named. If you didn't mean those players ok. It's not about just this season though. Johnson, Beeks and guys like Shawaryn is our future pitching depth. With Owens tanking we need those guys. Ockimey just has to much value and upside. Dalbec you can debate, but not for me. We need guys that can add depth over next 3 years. I'm all about adding a Vet, but at the right cost. That why I wanted Plouffe, a solid Vet. I wouldn't mind Frazier, but only at the right price. Not any two players not in our top 7. More like the right two players. Johnson is out of options next year so it's hard to keep him as starter depth. He might be the perfect trade candidate with decent value if we can do without him as starter depth this season. I bet some playoff hopeful teams would put him right in their rotation. It's hard to keep stretched out in the bullpen, especially if they have Wright back. I also don't think Johnson's stuff ticks up enough in the bullpen to make him an exciting relief pitcher candidate. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 16, 2017 10:40:03 GMT -5
This years proved how quickly pitching depth disappears. So I don't trade Johnson and another top 20 guy for Frazier. I keep him for depth and worry about it next year if we have too many pitchers. While I like Frazier and he is an upgrade. I really want a guy that can hit over .210. Hence why I wouldn't trade a ton for him.
If I am trading a major league ready starter like Johnson I want a player back that has more team control. I wouldn't mind trading him for prospects if you could get a decent package to replenish future depth.
How you manage players like Johnson will determine our future depth.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2017 11:16:09 GMT -5
This years proved how quickly pitching depth disappears. So I don't trade Johnson and another top 20 guy for Frazier. I keep him for depth and worry about it next year if we have too many pitchers. While I like Frazier and he is an upgrade. I really want a guy that can hit over .210. Hence why I wouldn't trade a ton for him. If I am trading a major league ready starter like Johnson I want a player back that has more team control. I wouldn't mind trading him for prospects if you could get a decent package to replenish future depth. How you manage players like Johnson will determine our future depth. I wouldn't trade Johnson for Frazier either, but he's not a part of our future depth unless he's in the rotation and there are at least 6 starters ahead of him next year. He has 0 options and is worth more to other teams as a starter than he is to us in the bullpen where he wouldn't easily be able to go back to starting if he were needed. I suggested earlier that they trade Johnson for prospects they could flip to upgrade the bullpen. The Twins are actually letting Colon get a start soon. I bet they'd much rather have Johnson. There are a lot of playoff hopeful teams who are desperate for someone like him. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 16, 2017 12:30:04 GMT -5
A-Rod says we should deal for Miggy. He has 6yr/184 left AFTER this year. I wouldn't take him even if we give up nothing in return
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 16, 2017 12:41:24 GMT -5
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 16, 2017 12:54:24 GMT -5
A-Rod says we should deal for Miggy. He has 6yr/184 left AFTER this year. I wouldn't take him even if we give up nothing in return I think he just has a soft spot for declining old guys with mammoth contracts running into their 40's. |
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 16, 2017 13:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2017 13:25:58 GMT -5
I can't imagine that this will be done before a day or two before the deadline.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 16, 2017 13:35:46 GMT -5
I can't imagine that this will be done before a day or two before the deadline. Ordinarily yes but Dombrowski doesn't delay playing cards...the anti-Ainge. |
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 16, 2017 16:41:33 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any rumors of first basemen that are going to be available at the trade deadline?
I know the White Sox are selling? Is there first baseman available?
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Post by jdb on Jul 16, 2017 18:37:44 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any rumors of first basemen that are going to be available at the trade deadline? I know the White Sox are selling? Is there first baseman available? I think I'd be monitoring the 1B since Morelands toe seems to be giving him trouble. I doubt Freddie Freeman will be playing 3B in Atlanta for long and that they trade Matt Addams. He's under control for another year and I just don't know what to think of Travis yet. I doubt we go with an all rookie corner of the infield next year. I wish they'd give him some more ABs to see what he has and to rest Moreland some. |
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Post by jimoh on Jul 16, 2017 20:41:08 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/latest-on-todd-frazier-david-robertson.html"If the White Sox move Frazier prior to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, the soon-to-be free agent’s unlikely to bring back a big return, with [USA Today’s Bob] Nightengale suggesting he’d net the White Sox a “fringe prospect.” Moreover, Chicago would probably have to eat some of the remaining $5MM-plus left on Frazier’s contract, adds Nightengale (on Twitter)."
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 16, 2017 23:35:32 GMT -5
What does anybody think that would cost? |
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Jul 16, 2017 23:38:57 GMT -5
What does anybody think that would cost? Wouldn't this send the sox over the lux tax? If they are cool with that then i say lets do this if its a fair price. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 16, 2017 23:49:19 GMT -5
It wouldn't send the Sox over the luxury tax threshold, but it'd push them close to that mark.
Would love to see Chris Young get dealt to help offset the salary in this trade and the Sox promote Selsky or Brentz to get Frazier.
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