2017 Trade Deadline Thread (Red Sox discussion)

There's a big, big difference between "the Yankees are, on some level, a concern" (fair statement) and "the Yankees are better than the Red Sox" (disagree) or, god forbid, the Yankees are a starter away from being "a playoff juggernaut" (nope).

I agree with this. Perhaps mistating my point. I still think NYY starting pitching is suspect, but they have bats and now have a better pen, which was above average to begin with.

I am also hoping the HR deby destroyed Judge's swing.

The Yankee fear around here is interesting.  It reeks of Stockholm syndrome.  We have been the better franchise for years now.  They had a helluva first half and are a good team.  I would be very hesitant to be quoting 2017 team totals without at least mentioning that half of their lineup was playing out of it's mind before the ASB.  We can only guess as to why, but regression has already sunk in.  They are a good team among a lot of good teams in the division. We got our work cut out, but let's not act like we have to start trembling when we see their ridiculous logo.

I don't know why people are buying into the Pete Abraham / Nick Cafardo nonsense that we badly need an 8th inning guy. No, we do not have the obvious one guy you can just pencil into the inning and not think about. We have had, however, the most valuable setup relief in baseball.

I'm not going to buy into this 'fear the Yankees' sentiment, but I will say I think Cashman made a damn good trade yesterday. It drives me insane, but I'm consistently feeling like the Yankees win trades based on the value of players at the time of the trades themselves.

He essentially traded one legit top 100 prospect in Rutherford, threw in Clarkin and a semi-interesting 3rd piece and was able to get back not 1, not 2, but 3 above average MLB pieces while shedding the contract of Clippard. Thats pretty unbelievable. How does the package of Kahnle, Robertson, and Frazier not cost 4 prospects (probably 2 Top 100s, and 2 other reasonable pieces). In a system with Frazier, Torres, Mateo, Sheffield, Kaprielian, Fowler, Andujar, Chance Adams, and Dillon Tate.....I have no idea how Cashman was able to get back that talent and drop all the way to Clarkin as your 2nd piece in the package.

Put another way, is there a big difference at the time of the trades between Tyler Thornburg and Tommy Kahnle? I'd argue that their value should be pretty comparable, yet look what Thornburg cost on his own (even if we're treating Shaw as a role 45/50 player instead of the 65 he is playing like this year) and look at what Kahnle cost as part of a package that also includes 1.5 years of an above average closer and a rental of Frazier. Thats pretty discrepant.

So happy we stayed away from White Sox deal. I don't know if true but if Pirates make Harrison available that would be interesting. He has term left plays multiple positions. Because next year Moreland and Young are up. Even though we split with the MFY our pitching was unreal.

...and allowed them to ditch Clippard's salary too? Seems like a big win for Cashman. Its not like Robertson's salary is unfair.



Put another regarding the trade.....we've typically seen pretty legit prospect packages of 3-4 guys to acquire above average MLB talent. Cashman essentially acquired a package of 3 above average major leaguers for 1 legit prospect.

My guess is that taking on Clippard was the mitigation for Robertson's salary. Just looking at what the White Sox are doing, I'd imagine they'd have hung onto Robertson if it meant a better prospect return.



I'm not sure that's really a fit. The A's would be selling low at a time when there's no reason for them to be impatient. The Red Sox would be paying for those years of control that they don't really need for a player who isn't going to move off of the position that their best prospect plays. The 3B solution for the Sox, if it isn't Devers, is a rental who can hit.

This would put WEEI hot takes to shame

Care to expand?

I think he means you sound like an idiot.