2017 Trade Deadline Thread (Red Sox discussion)

Why are you trying to confuse him with facts?

Calling him a back-end 100 guy is how.  Saying his value is basically Shaw after last year, which it wasn't .  Not even close.  You may think he is,  but that's just your opnnion.  The fact is everyone had him as a top 35 prospect to start year.  He certainly hasn't had a bad year.  He has done everything but hit for power.  All that upside didn't just disappear. 

Something to do about it?  He has missed a massive amount of time.  It's the exact reason, because the results have always been good when he's healthy.  Which is why I don't worry about strikeouts.   He has had limited innings to work on his stuff.  A lefty that can reach 93 that doesn't allow a ton of hits and get results has decent value.  Way more value than Ball, it's not even close.

No way I would believe Owens had turned a corner after 30 innings, I would take it as just a hot stretch.  I wouldn't believe it after one full year.  Just look at Porcello.   Guys have career years all the time.  You really think Kahnle is a top 5 reliever going forward?  You can think it's worth the gamble, but it is a gamble.  What if Kahnle and Robertson pitch like 2016 and not 2017 next year?  Is that still a great trade?  What if Kahnle never comes close to being the next Chapman like you think?  Knowing relievers it's more likely that he never becomes Chapman,  than he does.

I hope the Yankees add another starter.   I really do, trade those prospects.  My point is simple.  If you were going to trade a top prospect, address your biggest need.  If they get a good starter now,  it could cost 2 more top prospects. That could be 3 guys on a team that just seems ready to disappoint.   There 20-9 start was more luck than there true talent level.  That's the Yankees problem. That offense is going to decline, it has already started to happen. 

The Yankees found a way around it because the guy only has 35 innings at that level.  You need a comp based off 60% of a season.  Like I said it's risky.

I like Strickland but his walks concern me. It's up there this year. Normally he's nowhere near that high.

He'd be a nice get but I'd be worried if that trend continued. He's got several years of control so he could be expensive to acquire and with his control questionable at the moment I'd be a little concerned. Nunez is a utility man at this point, insurance against Devers struggling or Xander needing more time to heal.

Isn't Strickland really homerun prone?

Or am I thinking that he was because Harper always takes him deep?

I think a lot of people have forgotten the times when the Red Sox and Yankees were both Gladiators in the AL and not just the AL East. Each club had high profile line ups and starting rotations built for October baseball. Neither team feared the other, they just thought they were better. I want the years of Pedro, Varitek, Nixon (My favorite dirt dog of all time), DLowe, Schilling, Garciaparra, etc. I want those guys back. Never backing down, never giving in. I want those leave everything you have games and series out on the field again. Too many premadonnas in baseball today. Let's play some ball and see what happens.

I personally feel that 'Dealin Dave' is up to something.  He is, after all getting up in age, and I'm guessing, trying to cement his legacy with another championship.  He knows damn well that his team is much, much, much more complete than the Yankees; look at the top three starters for each team.  Yeah, it's been pointed out how anyone could have inherited a very talented young core, and after looking it over for a bit, decided that the team needed an absolute no. 1 starter.  He saw Koji aging, and after recently watching the Royals playoffs success, he decided the team also needed an elite closer.  His reputation had convinced Henry into hiring him, and so he then got Henry's blessing to easily outbid everyone else to get Price, and to deal several prospects to get Kimbrel, after he kicked the tires on Chapman.  Genius moves?  Hardly.  His reputation, along with the young nucleus, convinced Henry to hire him, and follow along with whatever he wanted, even if it meant a huge sacrifice of money and young talent.  Then came Pomeranz, and another very young prospect was lost.  It was obvious he was gaming for a championship in the next couple of years, before those young talents he gave away had a chance to develop and prove him wrong.  Price faltered, which led to Sale, and an even deeper cut of young talent.  Aside from secondary reliever help, those have been his big moves so far.  

I think he did convince the Yankees that he was willing to give up Chavis and Groome, to get Frazier and good relief help.  With the help of the media, he got the the Yankees to give up a lot more than the open market was willing to give for those players the Yankees got.  Just my personal opinion.

I truly believe, and pray, that he is up to something a lot bigger than what the Yankees got, to finish off the winning moves (especially after convincing Henry to invest a ton of money with Price, and give up several, good, young prospects) he has done.

He obviously is keeping Devers.  With every passing day, I feel that it is obvious that a very short-term, mediocre at best, rental 3b is not a good move.  

He's up to something bigger.  At least I'm hoping he is.

He's up to something bigger.
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If that happens I would guess it would have to be at 1B? DaveD isn't going to get a better 3b than Devers. I'm not getting any vibes on who that --1b-- could be but they can do better than Mitch. It's the only Po they can improve.

Abreu would be perfect. I've heard people talk about trading to improve the catcher position. Last year's playoff team had Ortiz, a red-hot Ramirez and Leon. Still the offense was stymied against playoff pitching. This team has none of those types of players right now. Nor does it have a single player who has been successful in the playoffs. So while maybe a catcher could be an option, along with 1b and DH; when I said something bigger, I wasn't necessarily saying that it was gonna be at just those positions. This team has a couple of other positions where there could still be an upgrade to a power bat, rather than just a good, semi-powerful contact hitter, which this team has plenty of. This team also has an abundance of good starting pitching, especially when I consider that playoffs usually come down to just the top three starters having consistent appearances. There's plenty of good names on this team that could be exchanged for a superstar player on a rebuilding team.

I'd be surprised if Dombrowski was up to something bigger. He doesn't have the quality and quantity to deal from as he has before. A lot of the stock has been depleted.

If he's not giving up Devers or Groome then it's hard to see how he gets a huge impact player.

At this point I do believe in the Nunez/Strickland rumors. Nunez is a big step down from Todd Frazier, but I think what happened was that the White Sox really wanted two things - to get rid of Robertson's contract and actually get a quality prospect - something they weren't going to get by dealing Frazier all by himself, so they packaged them together basically taking the Red Sox out of the equation as the Red Sox didn't have the depth or quality to match the prospect the Yankees gave the ChiSox.

Thwarted from getting Frazier and seeing Devers not exactly overwhelmed by AAA pitching, Dombrowski can probably see that the need for a 3b is probably lessened. Now they need an insurance policy who can also play SS, given Xander's physical issues. Now the big need turns to relief help.

So now the question Dombrowski has is does he have enough to get Strickland who has service time available or does he pay lesser for a rental like Neshek or Reed? Nunez by himself wouldn't cost much. It might be scary to see what Strickland fetches. He is not having anywhere near as good a year as Kahnle is having - the FIP is much higher, but he has a longer track record of being effective.

So that's the question Dave is probably weighing. My guess is he will give up the talent to get Strickland, although I hope it's not too much - I don't like the way his BB/9 are trending.

Alonso has completely changed his batted ball profile. He isn't getting lucky really. You'd have to hope he doesn't fall out of his new mechanics and revert to his old ones, but the dude is raking.

I don't think the White Sox trade Abreu. I think they'll want him as a mentor for Moncada and Jimenez. He may be worth more to them than he is in trade.

The price may be too steep, but the Giants could surprise people and trade Brandon Belt too.