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2017 Trade Deadline Thread (Red Sox discussion)
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Post by costpet on Jul 24, 2017 9:20:37 GMT -5
Cincy could always pay part of it in exchange for some young talent. It lowers their cost. Do you have the details?
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 24, 2017 9:30:36 GMT -5
Cincy could always pay part of it in exchange for some young talent. It lowers their cost. Do you have the details? Google Cot's Contracts for all MLB contracts Votto will make $25M a year from 2018-2023, and has a $20M club option for 2024 with a $7M buyout. |
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Post by mandelbro on Jul 24, 2017 9:31:34 GMT -5
Cincy could always pay part of it in exchange for some young talent. It lowers their cost. Do you have the details? On Votto's contract? Here it is. Age in parentheses. 2017 (33) $22M 2018 (34) $25M 2019 (35) $25M 2020 (36) $25M 2021 (37) $25M 2022 (38) $25M 2023 (39) $25M 2024 (40) $20M club option with $7M buyout |
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Post by oleary25 on Jul 24, 2017 9:52:00 GMT -5
Just was thinking would anybody want to deal price for an impact bat to offset the cost ? He's never pitched well in the post season plus he has a large contract he can opt out of after this season. However I sincerely doubt he does due to 30 million a year. Does anyone want him to stay around for an ugly divorce,diminishing skills, poor attitude and another 5 years 157 million ? That would leave us with a rotation of Sale, Porcello, Pomeranz ,E Rod, and Brian Johnson.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2017 9:53:32 GMT -5
Votto has a profile that would likely age well offensively, and $25M isn't as crazy as it was a few years ago, and by the one he is 40, will be much more common.
However, I don't think the Sox are in a place where they would want another contract like that on the books, with Sale, Bradley, Bogaerts and Betts needing new contracts in the next 3-4 years.
It's fun to dream about this team + Votto in the lineup, but with our payroll and relatively shallow farm, I don't think that it's in the cards.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 24, 2017 10:01:21 GMT -5
Last I heard, Votto has a ton of no trade protection and doesn't want to leave Cinci.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 24, 2017 10:18:50 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what do people think it would take to get Stanton to Fenway? I can't imagine giving up much after taking on that monstrosity of a contract. Never gonna happen, but he would mash in Fenway. Not that I think this would happen, but if the Sox offered a package that started with Bradley, included a couple of pitching prospects not named Groome, and didn't ask Miami to pay any of Stanton's monstrosity of a contract, would Miami bite? If not, how much more might it take? |
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 24, 2017 10:27:47 GMT -5
Just was thinking would anybody want to deal price for an impact bat to offset the cost ? He's never pitched well in the post season plus he has a large contract he can opt out of after this season. However I sincerely doubt he does due to 30 million a year. Does anyone want him to stay around for an ugly divorce,diminishing skills, poor attitude and another 5 years 157 million ? That would leave us with a rotation of Sale, Porcello, Pomeranz ,E Rod, and Brian Johnson. That is some out of the box thinking, but I'm not sure who would take the contract and give us anything of value, maybe the Dodgers. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2017 10:34:34 GMT -5
We can't go more than 5 minutes after DFA'ing Pablo to go get another huge contract?
I don't think people realize how close the Red Sox are to going to a team with huge payroll issues and not much of a farm to save them from it.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 24, 2017 10:36:41 GMT -5
Just was thinking would anybody want to deal price for an impact bat to offset the cost ? He's never pitched well in the post season plus he has a large contract he can opt out of after this season. However I sincerely doubt he does due to 30 million a year. Does anyone want him to stay around for an ugly divorce,diminishing skills, poor attitude and another 5 years 157 million ? That would leave us with a rotation of Sale, Porcello, Pomeranz ,E Rod, and Brian Johnson. That is some out of the box thinking, but I'm not sure who would take the contract and give us anything of value, maybe the Dodgers. How about Price for Adrian Gonzalez, straight up? |
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 24, 2017 10:42:13 GMT -5
We can't go more than 5 minutes after DFA'ing Pablo to go get another huge contract? I don't think people realize how close the Red Sox are to going to a team with huge payroll issues and not much of a farm to save them from it. No offense, but are you comparing Stanton to Pablo? I get what you are saying, but can't really compare those 2 guys. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2017 10:46:28 GMT -5
We can't go more than 5 minutes after DFA'ing Pablo to go get another huge contract? I don't think people realize how close the Red Sox are to going to a team with huge payroll issues and not much of a farm to save them from it. No offense, but are you comparing Stanton to Pablo? I get what you are saying, but can't really compare those 2 guys. I'm saying that big contracts are the cause of just about every problem they have. Taking on more big contracts will take away from money for extensions. And Stanton would probably require the rest of our top prospects (including Devers) which are the source of our cheap important players. At some point, the money runs out. The Red Sox have gotten away with some horrible contracts because they had Xander, Mookie, JBJ, the catchers, and Benintendi making peanuts. That will not be the case in the next 2-3 years. |
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Post by costpet on Jul 24, 2017 10:57:47 GMT -5
It would be crazy to take on Votto's entire contract. But, we could easily take on $15/year and save Cincy $80 million over the life of the contract. Throw in some interesting minor guys and Cincy might just like that.
DD is a smart guy. He could pull it off.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 24, 2017 10:58:43 GMT -5
No offense, but are you comparing Stanton to Pablo? I get what you are saying, but can't really compare those 2 guys. I'm saying that big contracts are the cause of just about every problem they have. Taking on more big contracts will take away from money for extensions. And Stanton would probably require the rest of our top prospects (including Devers) which are the source of our cheap important players. At some point, the money runs out. The Red Sox have gotten away with some horrible contracts because they had Xander, Mookie, JBJ, the catchers, and Benintendi making peanuts. That will not be the case in the next 2-3 years. Again, I understand what you are saying, but I think the problem is more who they’ve given the big contracts to, rather than the contracts themselves. Panda and Crawford come to mind immediately, and it’s beginning to look like Price could become another bad deal. If Panda’s money had gone to Adrian Beltre, nobody would be worried about the contract. |
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 24, 2017 11:03:02 GMT -5
It would be crazy to take on Votto's entire contract. But, we could easily take on $15/year and save Cincy $80 million over the life of the contract. Throw in some interesting minor guys and Cincy might just like that. DD is a smart guy. He could pull it off. I think just as concerning as the money is with Votto, is the age at which he will be playing out the contract, too many years of Votto at 35+ in that deal. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 24, 2017 11:08:35 GMT -5
No offense, but are you comparing Stanton to Pablo? I get what you are saying, but can't really compare those 2 guys. I'm saying that big contracts are the cause of just about every problem they have. Taking on more big contracts will take away from money for extensions. And Stanton would probably require the rest of our top prospects (including Devers) which are the source of our cheap important players. At some point, the money runs out. The Red Sox have gotten away with some horrible contracts because they had Xander, Mookie, JBJ, the catchers, and Benintendi making peanuts. That will not be the case in the next 2-3 years. You're like a broken record. You just keep saying the same thing over and over again. They just called up Devers who will be making peanuts in 2-3 years. We all of a sudden have a deep farm system again. Players have stepped up and the front office nailed the draft and international signing period. There is now a large pool of players that can help the team or can be used in trades. The future is bright! Nevermind I have to believe getting under the luxury tax this year means they are going to blow by it in the future. In 2-3 years I expect the Sox to be at around 250 million. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2017 11:12:59 GMT -5
I'm saying that big contracts are the cause of just about every problem they have. Taking on more big contracts will take away from money for extensions. And Stanton would probably require the rest of our top prospects (including Devers) which are the source of our cheap important players. At some point, the money runs out. The Red Sox have gotten away with some horrible contracts because they had Xander, Mookie, JBJ, the catchers, and Benintendi making peanuts. That will not be the case in the next 2-3 years. Again, I understand what you are saying, but I think the problem is more who they’ve given the big contracts to, rather than the contracts themselves. Panda and Crawford come to mind immediately, and it’s beginning to look like Price could become another bad deal. If Panda’s money had gone to Adrian Beltre, nobody would be worried about the contract. The problem now is that they have too much money committed period with how the team is setup. They need to either extend or replace a lot of important players in the next 3 years. And they aren't going to be able to do it with prospects this time. Any moves made now will take away from the future. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2017 11:14:36 GMT -5
I'm saying that big contracts are the cause of just about every problem they have. Taking on more big contracts will take away from money for extensions. And Stanton would probably require the rest of our top prospects (including Devers) which are the source of our cheap important players. At some point, the money runs out. The Red Sox have gotten away with some horrible contracts because they had Xander, Mookie, JBJ, the catchers, and Benintendi making peanuts. That will not be the case in the next 2-3 years. You're like a broken record. You just keep saying the same thing over and over again. They just called up Devers who will be making peanuts in 2-3 years. We all of a sudden have a deep farm system again. Players have stepped up and the front office nailed the draft and international signing period. There is now a large pool of players that can help the team or can be used in trades. The future is bright! Nevermind I have to believe getting under the luxury tax this year means they are going to blow by it in the future. In 2-3 years I expect the Sox to be at around 250 million. Me a broken record? That's pretty funny coming from you. Point out one argument you've ever been in that you've backed off of. Here, I'll show you how. |
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Post by jmei on Jul 24, 2017 11:32:05 GMT -5
Relax, folks. Thanks.
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Post by oleary25 on Jul 24, 2017 12:41:52 GMT -5
I'm saying that big contracts are the cause of just about every problem they have. Taking on more big contracts will take away from money for extensions. And Stanton would probably require the rest of our top prospects (including Devers) which are the source of our cheap important players. At some point, the money runs out. The Red Sox have gotten away with some horrible contracts because they had Xander, Mookie, JBJ, the catchers, and Benintendi making peanuts. That will not be the case in the next 2-3 years. Again, I understand what you are saying, but I think the problem is more who they’ve given the big contracts to, rather than the contracts themselves. Panda and Crawford come to mind immediately, and it’s beginning to look like Price could become another bad deal. If Panda’s money had gone to Adrian Beltre, nobody would be worried about the contract. While I agree about the poorly spent money, its hindsight. Nobody would've thought Pablo Sandavol wouldn't have been at the very least a good Dh who could play 1B. Furthermore if we had reallocated that money to beltre then we wouldn't have gotten the compensation picks that netted us JBJ a gold glove caliber CF, and Blake Swihart who has been dogged by injuries. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2017 13:49:52 GMT -5
The Sox aren't getting Trout.
The Sox aren't getting Stanton.
The Sox aren't getting Votto.
It's completely unrealistic and contradicts everything they want to do with the payroll this year. Just stop it with the bad ideas. It's a waste of time.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2017 13:58:24 GMT -5
If you make a point to want any list of-
Yonder Alonso, Jose Abreu, a cheap third base alternative, a late reliever, a catching alternative, or any cheap first base alternative to Moreland (like a Bour), then you have a great point and you get what the Sox might be trying to do.
Offering some outrageous trade idea outside of this doesn't add to the conversation. The team isn't looking to reconstruct the team midseason and the Sox are looking to stay under the luxury tax threshold so they can spend in future seasons.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 24, 2017 14:10:25 GMT -5
Again, I understand what you are saying, but I think the problem is more who they’ve given the big contracts to, rather than the contracts themselves. Panda and Crawford come to mind immediately, and it’s beginning to look like Price could become another bad deal. If Panda’s money had gone to Adrian Beltre, nobody would be worried about the contract. While I agree about the poorly spent money, its hindsight. Nobody would've thought Pablo Sandavol wouldn't have been at the very least a good Dh who could play 1B. Furthermore if we had reallocated that money to beltre then we wouldn't have gotten the compensation picks that netted us JBJ a gold glove caliber CF, and Blake Swihart who has been dogged by injuries. I don't agree, as a matter of fact I remember many on this forum who were skeptical regarding the Panda contract, I'm not sure many thought it would be the total bust that it became, but a lot of folks thought it was a signing the Sox would regret. Personally, I'm too much of an optimist, so while I was hopeful he would be the player he was in SF, I should have known better. I should have been more clear when I mentioned Beltre, I wasn't talking about the Sox resigning him years ago, I was just picking a good 3B out of the air as an example of a guy whose contract nobody would be complaining about if they had gotten Panda's deal. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 24, 2017 14:10:46 GMT -5
You're like a broken record. You just keep saying the same thing over and over again. They just called up Devers who will be making peanuts in 2-3 years. We all of a sudden have a deep farm system again. Players have stepped up and the front office nailed the draft and international signing period. There is now a large pool of players that can help the team or can be used in trades. The future is bright! Nevermind I have to believe getting under the luxury tax this year means they are going to blow by it in the future. In 2-3 years I expect the Sox to be at around 250 million. Me a broken record? That's pretty funny coming from you. Point out one argument you've ever been in that you've backed off of. Here, I'll show you how. There are plenty. The fact you just said for like the 10th time now just proves my point. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 24, 2017 14:44:17 GMT -5
We are all really tired of the lack of offense this year. I know I'm spoiled, but we need a bat BADLY. I, like most of you, keep looking for some creative possibilities out there, and lets face it...there or few.
Now that Devers is coming up, and hopefully taking care of third...I'm just wanting to find a bat that can, at least, lengthen the line-up, but hopefully do even more. Some of the players I'm going to mention are not many of your's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice. I understand that, but take a look and maybe it can spark some ideas.
Victor Martinez is a FA in 2019. He is ancient, but a consistent middle of the order hitter making $18M this year and next.
Melky Cabrera is a FA in 2018 (better) and is making $15M
Yonder Alonso is a FA in 2018 and making a ridiculous $4M. Probably the costliest of these players in terms of prospects.
Matt Kemp is a FA in 2020 and $21.5M per year but a lot of it is being subsidized.
Jay Bruce is a FA in 2018 and making $13M
Howie Kendrick is a FA in 2018 at $10M
Certainly we'd prefer they were a free agent after this season, and 4 of the 6 are.
Thoughts?
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