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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2017 14:37:28 GMT -5
Am I crazy or did the deal for Melky Cabrera seem light? We probably could have sent over 2 prospects not named Travis/Groome/Mata/Chavis. Wonder if they'd take Young back to even out the money too? Of course the package might had to of been slightly better there. Looks like we're in on some arms but I really hope we're looking at some bats under the radar. The Sox had no room for Melky unless you put Hanley at first base full-time. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 30, 2017 14:45:30 GMT -5
Am I crazy or did the deal for Melky Cabrera seem light? We probably could have sent over 2 prospects not named Travis/Groome/Mata/Chavis. Wonder if they'd take Young back to even out the money too? Of course the package might had to of been slightly better there. Looks like we're in on some arms but I really hope we're looking at some bats under the radar. The Sox had no room for Melky unless you put Hanley at first base full-time. That's what I was kind of getting at. I figured he could be an upgrade over Young but also play some DH if Hanley can play some more 1B. Of course, it doesn't seem to matter now but I do have hopes we are looking at bats under the radar. Then against, it doesn't' seem like there's a lot of talent out there either but admittedly I know little. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 30, 2017 14:46:51 GMT -5
The problem is there was a ton of good arms available. They have now all been traded besides two. So I can see the prices going up. We should have made a move sooner in my opinion. Reed alone is going to cost more than we would like. Supply and demand is not on our side anymore. So many teams going for it. outside of Reed and Wilson who is left? Brad Hand. Brandon Kintzler. Zach Britton. Plenty of starting pitching arms. There is more arms there than you give it credit for. Reports say they want a Miller return for Hand, no thanks. Kintzler is an ok pitcher, but not even close to the power arm Reed is. Baltimore has said they won't trade Vets and just added a starter. Even if they wanted to trade Britton I wouldn't pay the cost. The rental elite arms are almost all gone. I don't want to trade the farm for a guy. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2017 14:47:26 GMT -5
The Sox had no room for Melky unless you put Hanley at first base full-time. That's what I was kind of getting at. I figured he could be an upgrade over Young but also play some DH if Hanley can play some more 1B. I don't think the Sox are ready to make Hanley a full-time first baseman ever again because of his shoulders. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2017 14:49:36 GMT -5
Brad Hand. Brandon Kintzler. Zach Britton. Plenty of starting pitching arms. There is more arms there than you give it credit for. Reports say they want a Miller return for Hand, no thanks. Kintzler is an ok pitcher, but not even close to the power arm Reed is. Baltimore has said they won't trade Vets and just added a starter. Even if they wanted to trade Britton I wouldn't pay the cost. The rental elite arms are almost all gone. I don't want to trade the farm for a guy. You said the supply wasn't there. It is there. Just how much are you willing to pay? Other teams might not want a rental like the Nationals who have long-term bullpen issues going on down there. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 30, 2017 15:04:17 GMT -5
Reports say they want a Miller return for Hand, no thanks. Kintzler is an ok pitcher, but not even close to the power arm Reed is. Baltimore has said they won't trade Vets and just added a starter. Even if they wanted to trade Britton I wouldn't pay the cost. The rental elite arms are almost all gone. I don't want to trade the farm for a guy. You said the supply wasn't there. It is there. Just how much are you willing to pay? Other teams might not want a rental like the Nationals who have long-term bullpen issues going on down there. We are in the Red Sox trade discussions thread, I don't care about other teams. We only need a rental and I don't want to drain the system. I'm not like you, I don't want to trade Chavis for a bullpen arm. So yes supply is getting limited. There's a reason why guys like Hand haven't been dealt. He's not a target for us to begin with. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 30, 2017 17:52:10 GMT -5
Not sure that Reed is going to make much of difference for the Red Sox. Sure the Red Sox are probably not as bad as they have played the last couple of weeks. However, we have also seen them shut down by mediocre pitching throughout 2017. I don't want to see them trade anyone in the top 15 for a chance to make a wild card game. This team has way too many flaws to make a deep run in the playoffs in 2017.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2017 18:09:25 GMT -5
Given how today's game went, I'm sure the desperation will ramp up. Scary to think now what Reed might cost if they get desperate enough.
I don't trust Barnes and at this point I think it's pretty much Reed or nothing. I don't think anybody else will move the needle that much.
Reed will help though, although I'd be concerned with the HRs he'd give up. I love his K/BB ratio.
I wish the Sox had gotten Neshek, though.
I would like to see the Sox get Bruce as well. If they got both how far over would they be? About 1 or 2 million? Is there a team out there that could use Young? Doesn't have to be the Mets. The Sox could subsidize the portion that takes them up to the limit. Dump Abad if they need to as well?
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 30, 2017 18:17:26 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 25m25 minutes ago
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A Mets official indicated "not much" when asked about if anything was going on concerning Addison Russell and the Red Sox.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 30, 2017 18:26:51 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 25m25 minutes ago More A Mets official indicated "not much" when asked about if anything was going on concerning Addison Russell and the Red Sox. Think about this for a minute |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2017 18:30:58 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 25m25 minutes ago More A Mets official indicated "not much" when asked about if anything was going on concerning Addison Russell and the Red Sox. Think about this for a minute Nick Cafardo, the Les Nessman (can see him pronouncing Chi-Chi Rodriguez) of Red Sox reporting. In my best Dr. Johnny Fever voice, "Um Les, it's Addison Reed" Cafardo: Hopefully the Red Sox will do their best to come away with Mr. Russell. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2017 18:33:35 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 25m25 minutes ago More A Mets official indicated "not much" when asked about if anything was going on concerning Addison Russell and the Red Sox. Think about this for a minute And the Mets reporter states something like : Red Sox hot on Addison Russell and appear desperate. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2017 18:49:56 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 25m25 minutes ago More A Mets official indicated "not much" when asked about if anything was going on concerning Addison Russell and the Red Sox. Think about this for a minute I mean, it's bad enough that he's never right. When he starts mixing up names, it shows everyone how out of touch he is. I don't know how this guy still has a job. His source was probably the bathroom attendant for the Mets organization. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 30, 2017 18:55:08 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 25m25 minutes ago More A Mets official indicated "not much" when asked about if anything was going on concerning Addison Russell and the Red Sox. Think about this for a minute Honestly had to think about it for a minute |
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 30, 2017 19:05:11 GMT -5
Mark FeinsandVerified account @feinsand 8m8 minutes ago
Sources indicate Tigers LHP Justin Wilson likely to be dealt tonight. Astros considered the favorite, but others making a play for him, too.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 30, 2017 19:05:24 GMT -5
Mark FeinsandVerified account @feinsand 42s43 seconds ago
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Source: Red Sox continue to focus on Mets' Addison Reed as top bullpen target.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 30, 2017 22:28:48 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2017 23:50:30 GMT -5
So the Sox equivalent package would of been Chavis and Mata. To beat the Cubs package you probably have to throw another prospect too. Needless to say, I'm glad the Sox stayed far away from this deal for Wilson. Add: Theo Epstein = farm system killer. Lol |
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Post by artfuldodger on Jul 31, 2017 6:08:56 GMT -5
Two top 10 prospects from a quality farm system for a LH Reliever and a Backup Catcher (who is a rental). If the cost for Reed is a top 10 prospect, I would pass.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 31, 2017 9:21:06 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 31, 2017 9:24:21 GMT -5
Here we go. What are you going to deal Dave?
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Post by despo19 on Jul 31, 2017 9:25:12 GMT -5
If they could pull this off building a package around maybe Dalbec and Brian Johnson, it's worth pulling the trigger. Even a guy like Ockimey would be worth the massive upgrade |
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Post by despo19 on Jul 31, 2017 9:26:31 GMT -5
Here we go. What are you going to deal Dave? As long as he keeps the top 7 in the system, getting Reed is an excellent move |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 31, 2017 9:27:24 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 31, 2017 9:28:17 GMT -5
I started a separate thread.
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