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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 14, 2017 4:43:00 GMT -5
We can slice it or dice it any way we want but, it's sunk cost and the Sox are about to eat a lot of money. Trading prospects to save money isn't likely to happen. Best we can hope for is for the Sox to eat the entire contract (minus minimum wage) and get a lottery ticket in return. In order to make this work, Pablo would have to be no risk to the team taking him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2017 6:02:37 GMT -5
We are past the best we can hope for point with Pablo. I don't think he would even sniff a major league opportunity for a minimum salary at this point. Not to mention, I doubt he would even bother. This is a guy who cannot even commit himself to working out and being in shape for a long period of time, I be he'd just walk away before taking a minor league deal to work his way back.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2017 7:22:12 GMT -5
I wonder if we could get a decent prospect or two for Brian Johnson that we could flip for a decent relief pitcher. He's out of options next year and there's no room in the rotation. There probably isn't much upside for putting him in the bullpen. It looks like the starter depth is decent enough that we could make that sacrifice for this year.
There are plenty of playoff hopeful teams who would probably put him right in their rotation.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 14, 2017 7:26:46 GMT -5
The thing to remember with Frazier (or Moustakas, or any of the medium to higher-end rentals) is that the White Sox can stand pat on him and get a comp pick. Would they rather have Chavis than a comp pick? I probably would but I don't know that it's a universal feeling. But the difference certainly isn't worth tethering themselves to Sandoval.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2017 8:33:32 GMT -5
The thing to remember with Frazier (or Moustakas, or any of the medium to higher-end rentals) is that the White Sox can stand pat on him and get a comp pick. Would they rather have Chavis than a comp pick? I probably would but I don't know that it's a universal feeling. But the difference certainly isn't worth tethering themselves to Sandoval. How will Frazier net a Comp pick? Did they change how that works? |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 14, 2017 8:51:19 GMT -5
The thing to remember with Frazier (or Moustakas, or any of the medium to higher-end rentals) is that the White Sox can stand pat on him and get a comp pick. Would they rather have Chavis than a comp pick? I probably would but I don't know that it's a universal feeling. But the difference certainly isn't worth tethering themselves to Sandoval. How will Frazier net a Comp pick? Did they change how that works? Wouldn't he have to receive a QO from the CWS? I doubt they would even offer that to him. Even though I like him, He may go the Chris Carter route as well. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 14, 2017 8:56:06 GMT -5
Frazier has a 1.8 bWAR through 78 games this season and his low in the previous five seasons was 2.2. Carter has a 2.4 bWAR total for his career. They aren't comparable.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2017 9:07:21 GMT -5
They aren't but if Frazier is offered a QO no team will touch him
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2017 9:25:10 GMT -5
Here's the new free agency rules in the CBA. They changed what the signing team gives up, so it's no longer a first-round pick. It's either the team's second-highest (non-competitive balance) pick, their second and fifth if they paid competitive balance tax, or third if the team receives revenue sharing. VIII. DRAFT PICK COMPENSATION A. Clubs may not tender a Qualifying Offer to a player who has previously received a Qualifying Offer. B. The time period during which a player can accept a Qualifying Offer will be extended from 7 to 10 days. C. Clubs signing a Free Agent subject to compensation will no longer forfeit a first round selection, but will be subject to the following: A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee Club shall forfeit its third highest remaining selection in the next Rule 4 Draft. A CBT Payor shall forfeit its second-highest and fifth-highest remaining selections in the next Rule 4 Draft and shall have its International Signing Bonus Pool (described below) reduced by $1,000,000 in the next full Signing Period. All other Clubs shall forfeit their second-highest remaining selection in the next Rule 4 Draft and shall have their International Signing Bonus Pool reduced by $500,000 in the next full Signing Bonus Period. All forfeited International Signing Bonus Pool monies will be distributed equally among all other Clubs. Competitive Balance Selections will be exempt from forfeiture. D. A Former Club of a Free Agent subject to draft pick compensation will receive the following: A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee Club shall receive a selection immediately following the first round of the draft if the player signs a contract with a total guarantee of $50 million or more. A CBT Payor Club shall receive a draft selection immediately following the fourth round of the next Rule 4 Draft. All other Former Clubs shall receive a selection immediately following the Competitive Balance Round B of the next Rule 4 Draft (which follows the second round). m.mlb.com/news/article/210125462/details-of-mlb-mlbpa-labor-agreement/ |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2017 9:32:46 GMT -5
Thanks Chris - I still don't see a team sacrificing anything for the likes of Frazier but this makes it more likely.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 14, 2017 9:53:10 GMT -5
With the Sox release of Pablo they are eating roughly $50M which would seem to increase the chances they acquire a 3bmen and decrease the chances they take on any significant contracts.
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Post by gerry on Jul 14, 2017 12:01:03 GMT -5
With the Sox release of Pablo they are eating roughly $50M which would seem to increase the chances they acquire a 3bmen and decrease the chances they take on any significant contracts. Maybe Frazier. But the Sox also seem on a path to utilize a combination of Lin, Marrero, Holt, Devers at 3B in July, August. They should all be up in Sept., with Travis and Brentz, and perhaps even a cuppa for Chavis. It would be ironic, and not implausible, if the big bats of Devers, Travis, Brentz, Chavis, and not Frazier or Moose, helped propel the September Red Sox to Home field advantage. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2017 12:12:05 GMT -5
With the Sox release of Pablo they are eating roughly $50M which would seem to increase the chances they acquire a 3bmen and decrease the chances they take on any significant contracts. I don't think it changes anything. I really doubt they were counting on Pablo to come back and contribute or that they could find a way to not pay all of that money. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 14, 2017 13:24:58 GMT -5
With the Sox release of Pablo they are eating roughly $50M which would seem to increase the chances they acquire a 3bmen and decrease the chances they take on any significant contracts. Maybe Frazier. But the Sox also seem on a path to utilize a combination of Lin, Marrero, Holt, Devers at 3B in July, August. They should all be up in Sept., with Travis and Brentz, and perhaps even a cuppa for Chavis. It would be ironic, and not implausible, if the big bats of Devers, Travis, Brentz, Chavis, and not Frazier or Moose, helped propel the September Red Sox to Home field advantage. I would be stunned if Chavis is a September call up. He's not as polished as Devers and definitely needs more seasoning. And he's not close defensively. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2017 13:28:39 GMT -5
With the Sox release of Pablo they are eating roughly $50M which would seem to increase the chances they acquire a 3bmen and decrease the chances they take on any significant contracts. I don't think it changes anything. I really doubt they were counting on Pablo to come back and contribute or that they could find a way to not pay all of that money. Agree. It was a sunk cost either way - nobody was going to take him. He's literally been below replacement level since they signed him. Maybe Frazier. But the Sox also seem on a path to utilize a combination of Lin, Marrero, Holt, Devers at 3B in July, August. They should all be up in Sept., with Travis and Brentz, and perhaps even a cuppa for Chavis. It would be ironic, and not implausible, if the big bats of Devers, Travis, Brentz, Chavis, and not Frazier or Moose, helped propel the September Red Sox to Home field advantage. I would be stunned if Chavis is a September call up. He's not as polished as Devers and definitely needs more seasoning. And he's not close defensively. Agree here as well. If you add him to the 40 now you're also burning an option unnecessarily next year. Would be one thing if he were Rule 5 eligible this offseason but he's not. Also, there's nothing in his Portland performance so far that says he's ready for a tougher challenge. Let's let him start hitting at that level before we start thinking about when he'll reach the majors. He's not certain for a 2018 call-up, nevermind 2017. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2017 15:40:56 GMT -5
They just gave Lin a new number (5), safe to say he's here for rest of the year.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2017 15:52:24 GMT -5
They just gave Lin a new number (5), safe to say he's here for rest of the year. Someday, we'll see that hanging between Cronin's and Pesky's numbers. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2017 17:27:49 GMT -5
They just gave Lin a new number (5), safe to say he's here for rest of the year. Someday, we'll see that hanging between Cronin's and Pesky's numbers. Thankfully it won't be a Nomar at the podium. |
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Post by jimoh on Jul 15, 2017 6:41:40 GMT -5
coupla tweets Sat a.m., nothing reliable
Nathan Evans ☘️ @naters508 19m19 minutes ago
👀Sources👀: #RedSox and #WhiteSox close to a deal sending Frazier to Red Sox & 2 minor league pitching prospects to White Sox
sox @talkingsox 57m57 minutes ago
SOURCE: #WhiteSox and the #RedSox have come to terms on Todd Frazier deal. The package is "headlined" by Bryan Mata and Michael Chavis.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 15, 2017 6:46:21 GMT -5
Man I hope that's not true. Chavis and Mata for Frazier? No thanks. I wouldn't deal either for a rental, and I think Frazier is the perfect fit for this team as it lacks a true power hitter. It wouldn't be hard to believe that Dombrowski would do that, though.
On CSNE one of the guys said their Chicago CSNE guys told them Frazier would be in Boston by Monday. I have a bad feeling this rumor is real.
I want Frazier, but not for Chavis or Mata and certainly for neither.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 15, 2017 6:51:04 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 7h7 hours ago
wRC+ over the past 12 weeks
121 Todd Frazier
119 Mookie Betts
119 Dustin Pedroia
118 Jackie Bradley Jr.
113 Xander Bogaerts
103 Benintendi
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 15, 2017 6:58:58 GMT -5
None of this is true yet and no one would know the real package if it was true at this present time.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 15, 2017 6:59:07 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 15, 2017 7:11:36 GMT -5
Yeah none of this is true. Just a bunch Twitter troll non sense.
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Post by braziliansox on Jul 15, 2017 7:55:05 GMT -5
I think the return is BS but there is a lot of buzz that Frazier is coming. I read somewhere that it would be something like Ockimey, Darwinzon Hernandez and Lozada which sounded more realistic, lets wait.
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