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Post by despo19 on Aug 2, 2017 13:31:03 GMT -5
With Moreland hitting the market this offseason, there will be room to use the DH spot to give some guys days off from the field (assuming Hanley can play 1B on a regular basis). By bringing Nunez back, they can move him around the infield to give guys like Pedroia some much-needed rest. Interested to hear what you guys think
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2017 16:04:40 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what he wants and gets. He'll probably get more than $10M per because of how good he has been in the last two years, but he also only has 3.9 total fWAR in his entire career. If Holt has a decent August/September, he might be able to be flipped for a couple prospects and Nunez could replace his super utility spot.
Total wild guess- 3 years/$30 million
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 18:22:09 GMT -5
But Marrero is out of options, so the main possibility here would be to give Devers and Lin one more year in Pawtucket, and only if it was a one-year deal. I think the red sox could and should keep Devers, Marrero, and Lin in the long term, with Marrero and Lin as backups. But maybe a one-year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 2, 2017 20:02:08 GMT -5
But Marrero is out of options, so the main possibility here would be to give Devers and Lin one more year in Pawtucket, and only if it was a one-year deal. I think the red sox could and should keep Devers, Marrero, and Lin in the long term, with Marrero and Lin as backups. But maybe a one-year. Devers might never see Pawtucket at this point. Finding a Marrero type is easy, there's a chance he could be non tendered or DFA'D by the end of spring training next season. Keeping him isn't a priority. |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 3, 2017 6:44:41 GMT -5
But Marrero is out of options, so the main possibility here would be to give Devers and Lin one more year in Pawtucket, and only if it was a one-year deal. I think the red sox could and should keep Devers, Marrero, and Lin in the long term, with Marrero and Lin as backups. But maybe a one-year. Devers might never see Pawtucket at this point. Finding a Marrero type is easy, there's a chance he could be non tendered or DFA'D by the end of spring training next season. Keeping him isn't a priority. I agree. Unless Devers goes down significantly I can not see him EVER going back to paw sox. He does not appear over matched. Just needs to constantly adjust to the pitchers and how they throw to him. I can see him Dh'ing and sitting against certain tough pitchers, but going back, right now I do not see it. I can see if the price is right that the sox keep nunez. Very well could come down to him or Brock. |
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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 4, 2017 18:22:55 GMT -5
It would probably take a Ben Zobrist type contract (4 years/about $52 million) to sign Nunez and I would gladly do that.
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Post by doctorduck21 on Aug 4, 2017 18:47:13 GMT -5
It would probably take a Ben Zobrist type contract (4 years/about $52 million) to sign Nunez and I would gladly do that. I don't see him costing that much. Zobrist was a much better hitter and defender. I could see Nunez getting a Chris Young type deal. 2 years at 5 to 8 per |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 5, 2017 4:38:14 GMT -5
Nunez will be back if the price is right. Wonder what they will do with Holt? Where does Hernandez fit in here? Lin and Marrero I do not see both coming back?
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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 5, 2017 7:28:53 GMT -5
Nunez and Holt together would allow the Red Sox carry another quality left handed reliever.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 5, 2017 8:31:31 GMT -5
I'd honestly be surprised if Nunez was back. He could probably get at least 3 years $35 million on the open market.
The Red Sox have Devers penciled in at 3b, Pedroia at 2b, and Bogaerts at SS. They'll be looking for a 1b/dh bat to replace Moreland and give them more pop, but they have Hanley under contract for one of those spots and they have Travis and Chavis on the way up although they could trade one or both for a more established middle-of-the-order bat.
So I don't really see Nunez there. I'd think the Red Sox would also still be mindful of the luxury tax limit with an eye for staying under one more season so they can go out and spend as needed after 2018 and have money for Betts/Sale extensions, too.
The Red Sox hope to have a healthier Brock Holt, and a healthy Marcos Hernandez available to do fill in at 2b/ss/3b. And Tzu-Wei Lin has shown himself as an option to do the same thing.
I just don't see the Red Sox spending that kind of money. They can also save money replacing Young with Brentz as their 4th outfield given that all their outfielders can handle CF.
I think both acquisitions, Reed (Smith and possibly Thornburg return next season) and Nunez are purely rentals.
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Post by jdb on Aug 6, 2017 10:07:59 GMT -5
You would have think he'd be able to find a starting job somewhere.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 8, 2017 3:07:12 GMT -5
You would have think he'd be able to find a starting job somewhere. He's at best the third best 3B on the FA Market, after Moustakas and Frazier, and the only two contenders that need a 3B, it seems from a quick look, are the Royals and Angels. He's also been a 2.3 WAR / 150 G player the last three years for other teams but 2.9 for us. A good deal of that is a real Fenway effect. He may get to choose between starting for a bad team and continuing in his current role for us. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 8, 2017 6:08:45 GMT -5
I'm all set with resigning Nunez. I see his defense declining very quickly in the near future (it's already bad and could be terrible soon enough with range lessening due to age). Lin/Hernandez will be dirt cheap and are just as versatile at this point.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 8, 2017 8:26:42 GMT -5
I'm all set with resigning Nunez. I see his defense declining very quickly in the near future (it's already bad and could be terrible soon enough with range lessening due to age). Lin/Hernandez will be dirt cheap and are just as versatile at this point. Interesting decision coming. Holt or nunez? How much money do the sox want to spend here? How do Lin and Hernandez fit in to the plan? DO the sox see someone else out on the market that fits the role these two guys would fill? I definitely feel that if the money is right that Moreland comes back. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 8, 2017 8:50:45 GMT -5
I'm all set with resigning Nunez. I see his defense declining very quickly in the near future (it's already bad and could be terrible soon enough with range lessening due to age). Lin/Hernandez will be dirt cheap and are just as versatile at this point. Interesting decision coming. Holt or nunez? How much money do the sox want to spend here? Holt isn't a free agent yet. Nunez is a no go for me. The Sox shouldn't spend much on a utility player either way. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 8, 2017 12:39:04 GMT -5
Interesting decision coming. Holt or nunez? How much money do the sox want to spend here? Holt isn't a free agent yet. Nunez is a no go for me. The Sox shouldn't spend much on a utility player either way. Technically Nunez is not a utility player. He is a regular everyday player the same way Ben Zobrist is and the same way Tony Phillips was. The problem is that 2b, ss, and 3b are spoken for for the next several years and barring injuries the Red Sox have regulars all set to go for those positions. Nunez is extremely valuable now because Pedroia has been injured and because he's not making a ton of money, and also because he is raking. Next year the dynamics change. Pedroia should be ready to go and Nunez should be able to command 4 to 5 years at at least $12 million/year. The Red Sox are not going to pay Nunez to wait for an injury to step in. They'll spend their money elsewhere. Nunez is not a SS so he won't dislodge Bogaerts. Devers needs to play everyday, and Pedroia is tied into the Sox thru 2021. And if Pedroia gets injured the odds are we'll see Marco Hernandez at 2b. I'll assume that next year not every utility man (and Hernandez definitely fits that description) will be injured liked they seem to be this year. I think we'll just have to remember Nunez fondly. |
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 10, 2017 10:07:03 GMT -5
Interesting decision coming. Holt or nunez? How much money do the sox want to spend here? Holt isn't a free agent yet. Nunez is a no go for me. The Sox shouldn't spend much on a utility player either way. I know about holt. Saying that I do not think they keep him. Agree do not spend a lot of money here. |
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 10, 2017 10:15:35 GMT -5
Do not know if they can get a power bat out of it, but I think Dave does some trading. Surplus of starters, especially if they can sign Fister for the right money. Big surplus of relief pitchers. Smith looks like he takes Reed's spot. Possibly a catcher, but the problem I see is that they do not have a major league ready catcher behind them. So if you get rid of one then one of the other two get hurt you have a problem. We NEED a power hitter. Most obvious places are 1st and 4th outfielder. Nunez will be too expensive.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 10, 2017 11:55:38 GMT -5
Nunez has 3.7 career war in 8 seasons. Holt has 4.7 war in 6 years. Nunez is a utility guy more than a starter. You never say never, but 4-5 years at at least 12 million a year is crazy. More like 7-8 million for 2-3 years. I can't say right now if we should resign him. We need to know the Red Sox budget for the next 3 years. If they plan on blowing by luxury tax line it could make sense.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2017 13:34:39 GMT -5
Nunez has 3.7 career war in 8 seasons. Holt has 4.7 war in 6 years. Nunez is a utility guy more than a starter. You never say never, but 4-5 years at at least 12 million a year is crazy. More like 7-8 million for 2-3 years. I can't say right now if we should resign him. We need to know the Red Sox budget for the next 3 years. If they plan on blowing by luxury tax line it could make sense. I disagree with your assessment. No matter where he goes Nunez will be a starter somewhere. If he's healthy he's getting 600 plate appearances. Between his hit tool, his ability to hit with some power and his speed he will play somewhere everyday. Holt, if he stays with the Sox, and even if he's healthy would be fortunate to get 300 plate appearances. If he goes elsewhere maybe he starts for some really awful team, but even that's doubtful. Whatever they did three years ago or more is pretty irrelevant. Nunez is a starting player who can play multiple positions while Holt is a utility man. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 10, 2017 15:49:33 GMT -5
Nunez has 3.7 career war in 8 seasons. Holt has 4.7 war in 6 years. Nunez is a utility guy more than a starter. You never say never, but 4-5 years at at least 12 million a year is crazy. More like 7-8 million for 2-3 years. I can't say right now if we should resign him. We need to know the Red Sox budget for the next 3 years. If they plan on blowing by luxury tax line it could make sense. I disagree with your assessment. No matter where he goes Nunez will be a starter somewhere. If he's healthy he's getting 600 plate appearances. Between his hit tool, his ability to hit with some power and his speed he will play somewhere everyday. Holt, if he stays with the Sox, and even if he's healthy would be fortunate to get 300 plate appearances. If he goes elsewhere maybe he starts for some really awful team, but even that's doubtful. Whatever they did three years ago or more is pretty irrelevant. Nunez is a starting player who can play multiple positions while Holt is a utility man. I'm sure you do. You think he's getting 4-5 years starting at 12 million a year for his age 31 to 34/35 seasons. You clearly haven't looked at his career, just what he has done with Red Sox. You do understand he has never had 600 plate appearances in a season right? He has also never been what I would call a starter. He is a super utility guy. He plays everywhere and doesn't play anyone position because he isn't good defensively at any position. His value is that he can play a ton of different positions. You might not think the past matters but it does to teams. So does value and Nunez D really hurts his overall value. Which is why your contract idea is way off. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2017 16:53:26 GMT -5
I disagree with your assessment. No matter where he goes Nunez will be a starter somewhere. If he's healthy he's getting 600 plate appearances. Between his hit tool, his ability to hit with some power and his speed he will play somewhere everyday. Holt, if he stays with the Sox, and even if he's healthy would be fortunate to get 300 plate appearances. If he goes elsewhere maybe he starts for some really awful team, but even that's doubtful. Whatever they did three years ago or more is pretty irrelevant. Nunez is a starting player who can play multiple positions while Holt is a utility man. I'm sure you do. You think he's getting 4-5 years starting at 12 million a year for his age 31 to 34/35 seasons. You clearly haven't looked at his career, just what he has done with Red Sox. You do understand he has never had 600 plate appearances in a season right? He has also never been what I would call a starter. He is a super utility guy. He plays everywhere and doesn't play anyone position because he isn't good defensively at any position. His value is that he can play a ton of different positions. You might not think the past matters but it does to teams. So does value and Nunez D really hurts his overall value. Which is why your contract idea is way off. Let's be clear on something. I'm not calling on the Red Sox to re-sign him. I'm saying that somebody else will, and they'll overspend, and he'll be a starter, and by year 2 of the contract they'll want out. They won't give a crap what he did 3 years ago. They'll focus mainly on the last couple of seasons and particularly on a guy with a .300 BA and about 15 homers and 30 steals see a full-time guy who isn't fantastic on defense. Somebody will give him several years and play him full-time. And yes, I did look at what he was before the Red Sox got him, hence my not being excited about his acquisition, so don't assume that I had no idea who he was before the Sox got him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2017 10:56:58 GMT -5
I'm sure you do. You think he's getting 4-5 years starting at 12 million a year for his age 31 to 34/35 seasons. You clearly haven't looked at his career, just what he has done with Red Sox. You do understand he has never had 600 plate appearances in a season right? He has also never been what I would call a starter. He is a super utility guy. He plays everywhere and doesn't play anyone position because he isn't good defensively at any position. His value is that he can play a ton of different positions. You might not think the past matters but it does to teams. So does value and Nunez D really hurts his overall value. Which is why your contract idea is way off. Let's be clear on something. I'm not calling on the Red Sox to re-sign him. I'm saying that somebody else will, and they'll overspend, and he'll be a starter, and by year 2 of the contract they'll want out. They won't give a crap what he did 3 years ago. They'll focus mainly on the last couple of seasons and particularly on a guy with a .300 BA and about 15 homers and 30 steals see a full-time guy who isn't fantastic on defense. Somebody will give him several years and play him full-time. And yes, I did look at what he was before the Red Sox got him, hence my not being excited about his acquisition, so don't assume that I had no idea who he was before the Sox got him. Maybe some team overpays. He is having the best 37 game stretch of his career. Thing is they won't give him 4-5 years and at least 48 to 60 million. He's not Zobrist, not even close. Zobrist had 6 years with a war total higher than Nunez career mark in 8 years. Just think about that for a second. The best comp in the last two years is Daniel Murphy he got 3 years and 37.5 million. Thing is Murphy career war total was 3 times what Nunez currently is. Also the new CBA has the top spending teams watching every penny. As good as Nunez has been for the Red Sox his bwar total is currently 1.1 on the year. So if you have studied Nunez career, along with the contracts given out. Where did you come up with 4-5 years and at least 48-60 million? By saying at least 12 million you make that sound like his floor per year. You really think he can get more than that on a 4-5 year deal? Based on what? That's Josh Reddick type money. Thing is Reddick has had multiple years with a war total that was more than Nunez career mark. He has had 5 war seasons. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 11, 2017 12:35:48 GMT -5
I said 3/$30M and still think that makes sense.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 11, 2017 12:46:05 GMT -5
Let's be clear on something. I'm not calling on the Red Sox to re-sign him. I'm saying that somebody else will, and they'll overspend, and he'll be a starter, and by year 2 of the contract they'll want out. They won't give a crap what he did 3 years ago. They'll focus mainly on the last couple of seasons and particularly on a guy with a .300 BA and about 15 homers and 30 steals see a full-time guy who isn't fantastic on defense. Somebody will give him several years and play him full-time. And yes, I did look at what he was before the Red Sox got him, hence my not being excited about his acquisition, so don't assume that I had no idea who he was before the Sox got him. . He is having the best 37 game stretch of his career. Thing is they won't give him 4-5 years and at least 48 to 60 million. He's not Zobrist, not even close. Zobrist had 6 years with a war total higher than Nunez career mark in 8 years. Just think about that for a second. The best comp in the last two years is Daniel Murphy he got 3 years and 37.5 million. Thing is Murphy career war total was 3 times what Nunez currently is. Also the new CBA has the top spending teams watching every penny. As good as Nunez has been for the Red Sox his bwar total is currently 1.1 on the year. So if you have studied Nunez career, along with the contracts given out. Where did you come up with 4-5 years and at least 48-60 million? By saying at least 12 million you make that sound like his floor per year. You really think he can get more than that on a 4-5 year deal? Based on what? That's Josh Reddick type money. Thing is Reddick has had multiple years with a war total that was more than Nunez career mark. He has had 5 war seasons. You should have stopped there, because that's the point. It happens quite often so talking about this WAR comparison and what somebody got two or three years ago doesn't matter much. Every year I always read opinions on what player X will get and then there's always that sticker shock reaction when the players gets more than anticipated and just about every year the market goes up higher than anticipated. You can quote all the WAR stats you want but I'm sure even with all the sophisticated front offices around there's going to be somebody who's desperate for a 3b, particularly somebody who can succeed in a tough market like Boston, that's going to place an inordinate amount of value for it, will rationalize that if you keep Nunez at one position instead of moving him around his defense will likely be better. Christ, the team we root for one year decided it would be a great idea to give a 5 year deal to an overweight 3b with OBP issues and then try to convert an injury prone defensively challenged SS to LF and pay him $88 million over 4 years for the trouble, and our team was considered kind of smart, so why is it so damn hard to think that some team will look at Nunez as a 3b instead of comparing him to Zobrist or whatever? At the end of the day you might well be correct, but I usually err toward the side of there being a team out there willing to do something crazy or stupid. With 30 teams around, I like my chances of that, especially one with money who needs a 3b and doesn't get Moustakas and/or thinks Frazier is a one trick pony. |
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