radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Aug 21, 2017 21:54:09 GMT -5
Matt Barnes was having a poll on Twitter about what nickname he should have on his jersey, I "suggested" Free Bases for his propensity to walk hitters...He blocked me. Dude has no sens of humour
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 21, 2017 21:54:17 GMT -5
One of the reasons why you got Reed in a trade is because he has one of those "rubber arms" in the bullpen.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 21, 2017 21:54:20 GMT -5
In Barnes' last 4 games before tonight he had a 6.75 ERA, 2 BB and 3K. Now, much worse. Then he went to Hembree who was obviously going to allow his runners to score, which one did, instead of Workman, Reed or Kimbrel, who are all much better at this point, in a one run game in the 8th inning. Seriously? If he went to some random reliever in such a high-leverage situation because he'd been good for four games, we'd be killing him, right? Or if he started, like, Deven Marrero at third base because he was 5 for his last 12 or something. Unless something is physically wrong, four games is small-sample garbage. Barnes is the third-best reliever on the team, behind Kimbrel and Reed. Workman's stretch of excellent is 20-something innings. I was on here killing Farrell for the way he managed Saturday's game, as well as the 8/11 loss. I know it's frustrating when a reliever doesn't get the job done, but this isn't on Farrell. Did you look at the road/home splits I posted? Sorry to disagree - this was a really boneheaded decision.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 21, 2017 21:54:59 GMT -5
This is bigger than "just another game" due to possible home field implications in the playoffs. You have a lead with six outs to go. I think you have to win or lose with your best guys in there. No guarantee it would have worked, but It's more defensible on Farrell's part. He went with the rested guys instead and it didn't work. I honestly lost the count of how many must win games they have played like last week alone. He went to the rested guy who was at one point a legit good pitcher and he saved his top guys because he has another 3 games against these a**holes at their place in the next 3 days. Days like these happen, it's baseball, you lose a lot of games. I'm angry as hell at the all around awful game Holt had and I obviously wish they would have won. But they were in it to the end. That to me is how you gauge a great team. No easy losses. Die standing up like a true OG.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 21, 2017 21:55:25 GMT -5
meh, not even that upset... we've so many walkoffs that it was going to come around eventually. Just need to survive Fister's start, somehow. The fact that Fister is starting tomorrow is exactly why I'm so upset right now.
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Post by jbuttah on Aug 21, 2017 21:55:58 GMT -5
I'd rather get rid of Hembree and his stupid haircut.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 21, 2017 21:57:03 GMT -5
What is the gripe here? That he went to Barnes? The guy's had an really good season and is more rested than Reed. I dunno - I'm pretty critical of Farrell, but this feels like one of those times where the manager is getting blamed for the fact that sometimes the bullpen gives up runs. This is bigger than "just another game" due to possible home field implications in the playoffs. You have a lead with six outs to go. I think you have to win or lose with your best guys in there. No guarantee it would have worked, but It's more defensible on Farrell's part. He went with the rested guys instead and it didn't work. There is also something for not wearing out your relievers on non-division games during the regular season. Farrell in years past wore Tazawa out early in the season. I'm not going to quibble with keeping arms fresh.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2017 21:57:41 GMT -5
This is bigger than "just another game" due to possible home field implications in the playoffs. You have a lead with six outs to go. I think you have to win or lose with your best guys in there. No guarantee it would have worked, but It's more defensible on Farrell's part. He went with the rested guys instead and it didn't work. I honestly lost the count of how many must win games they have played like last week alone. He went to the rested guy who was at one point a legit good pitcher and he saved his top guys because he has another 3 games against these a**holes at their place in the next 3 days. Days like these happen, it's baseball, you lose a lot of games. I'm angry as hell at the all around awful game Holt had and I obviously wish they would have won. But they were in it to the end. That to me is how you gauge a great team. No easy losses. Die standing up like a true OG. Yep. Reed and Kimbrel didn't pitch when they could have and they lost a very winnable game when they were up with 6 outs left. Great game. Great managing. We should be just fine with Fister pitching tomorrow.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 21, 2017 21:59:12 GMT -5
Seriously? If he went to some random reliever in such a high-leverage situation because he'd been good for four games, we'd be killing him, right? Or if he started, like, Deven Marrero at third base because he was 5 for his last 12 or something. Unless something is physically wrong, four games is small-sample garbage. Barnes is the third-best reliever on the team, behind Kimbrel and Reed. Workman's stretch of excellent is 20-something innings. I was on here killing Farrell for the way he managed Saturday's game, as well as the 8/11 loss. I know it's frustrating when a reliever doesn't get the job done, but this isn't on Farrell. Did you look at the road/home splits I posted? Sorry to disagree - this was a really boneheaded decision. Honest question, for you or anyone else: Is there something in Barnes' profile that indicates that it's anything other than just the sort of noise that happens in 25-inning splits? That's the problem with reliever splits - you're nowhere near a significant sample. If there's some reason to think Barnes is worse on the road than at home then it should be addressed, but I'm not going to think it's significant based on 100 plate appearances.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2017 21:59:14 GMT -5
By the way, I just have to know who decides that Fister has to pitch. Screw that guy. Beeks is way better. So is Johnson and Velazquez.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 21, 2017 21:59:18 GMT -5
I honestly lost the count of how many must win games they have played like last week alone. He went to the rested guy who was at one point a legit good pitcher and he saved his top guys because he has another 3 games against these a**holes at their place in the next 3 days. Days like these happen, it's baseball, you lose a lot of games. I'm angry as hell at the all around awful game Holt had and I obviously wish they would have won. But they were in it to the end. That to me is how you gauge a great team. No easy losses. Die standing up like a true OG. Yep. Reed and Kimbrel didn't pitch when they could have and they lost a very winnable game when they were up with 6 outs left. Great game. Great managing. We should be just fine with Fister pitching tomorrow. Or. Hear me out. Reed and kimbrel may be unavailable.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 21, 2017 22:00:11 GMT -5
that's another tough loss. I didn't like the Barnes move, but I am not going to pin it all on JF. Bullpen management is the hardest part for a manager. He doesn't have the luxury of hindsight and can't wear guys out it in the regular season. He has to be able to manage workloads and not make decisions like it's Game 6 and 7 of the LCS. Get em tomorrow.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 21, 2017 22:00:53 GMT -5
Does everyone here remember what happened to Tazawa when Farrell proctored him over the years? And how that over use killed us in the playoffs? You really want that to happen again?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2017 22:00:59 GMT -5
Yep. Reed and Kimbrel didn't pitch when they could have and they lost a very winnable game when they were up with 6 outs left. Great game. Great managing. We should be just fine with Fister pitching tomorrow. Or. Hear me out. Reed and kimbrel may be unavailable. Then Farrell is a moron for pitching Kimbrel last night. I would bet a year's salary he would have pitched if the Red Sox scored in the 9th.
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radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Aug 21, 2017 22:01:04 GMT -5
Tomorrow we'll have Fister vs Carrasco but hey! We'll have Reed available And the next day, it's Kluber vs an ailing Pomeranz...To get a split, this was a must win game. Go Tigers, I guess.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 21, 2017 22:01:44 GMT -5
Yep. Reed and Kimbrel didn't pitch when they could have and they lost a very winnable game when they were up with 6 outs left. Great game. Great managing. We should be just fine with Fister pitching tomorrow. Or. Hear me out. Reed and kimbrel may be unavailable. There's no reason why Reed should be unavailable. He pitched 3 games in a row 3 different times with the Mets this year!!! He has a rubber arm!!! This is why you traded some good prospects to get him!! What in God's name are we doing here?!!!!
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Post by station13 on Aug 21, 2017 22:03:33 GMT -5
Don't care about road/home stats, Barnes just isn't good.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 21, 2017 22:03:48 GMT -5
Tomorrow we'll have Fister vs Carrasco but hey! We'll have Reed available And the next day, it's Kluber vs an ailing Pomeranz...To get a split, this was a must win game. Go Tigers, I guess. Agreed, a split in this series feels like a long shot at this point.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 21, 2017 22:04:12 GMT -5
Yep. Reed and Kimbrel didn't pitch when they could have and they lost a very winnable game when they were up with 6 outs left. Great game. Great managing. We should be just fine with Fister pitching tomorrow. Do you have any inside info we're missing about their availability tonight? Or do you think they were available and very fresh because you think they were? Listen, I get the frustration. I braced myself the second I saw Barnes coming in, but I thought maybe he would turn things around. He didn't. Losing sucks, especially losing dramatically like this. But this was a rough game from the start and this is a ridiculously hard series as a whole, winning just a single game wouldn't be bad at all. We're not in the playoffs yet.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 21, 2017 22:05:14 GMT -5
Did you look at the road/home splits I posted? Sorry to disagree - this was a really boneheaded decision. Honest question, for you or anyone else: Is there something in Barnes' profile that indicates that it's anything other than just the sort of noise that happens in 25-inning splits? That's the problem with reliever splits - you're nowhere near a significant sample. If there's some reason to think Barnes is worse on the road than at home then it should be addressed, but I'm not going to think it's significant based on 100 plate appearances. There was actually an article on either NESN or WEEI where Barnes was interviewed about it - recently - and owned up to the fact that he is not comfortable on the road and clearly struggling - so he admits it himself. I know Farrell probably wants to build his confidence - but this is not a good way to do it...essentially making things worse with situations like tonight.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 21, 2017 22:06:09 GMT -5
Yep. Reed and Kimbrel didn't pitch when they could have and they lost a very winnable game when they were up with 6 outs left. Great game. Great managing. We should be just fine with Fister pitching tomorrow. Or. Hear me out. Reed and kimbrel may be unavailable. As I was saying
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2017 22:06:14 GMT -5
Yep. Reed and Kimbrel didn't pitch when they could have and they lost a very winnable game when they were up with 6 outs left. Great game. Great managing. We should be just fine with Fister pitching tomorrow. Do you have any inside info we're missing about their availability tonight? Or do you think they were available and very fresh because you think they were? Listen, I get the frustration. I braced myself the second I saw Barnes coming in, but I thought maybe he would turn things around. He didn't. Losing sucks, especially losing dramatically like this. But this was a rough game from the start and this is a ridiculously hard series as a whole, winning just a single game wouldn't be bad at all. We're not in the playoffs yet. They used Kelly, Barnes, Hembree and Scott with a 1 run lead while Reed and Kimbrel didn't pitch. You can figure out every way possible to defend Farrell, but you're doing more work than he is.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2017 22:06:49 GMT -5
My thread shouldn't be merged. This has gone on long enough.
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Post by juanpena on Aug 21, 2017 22:07:36 GMT -5
It's not the home-road splits for Barnes that are the most troubling, it's these (not including tonight):
High-leverage: 83 PA, .273/.390/.364/754, 14BB, 20K
Medium-leverage: 70 PA, .172/.243/.313/555, 6 BB, 22 K
Low-leverage: 90 PA, .181/.244/.293/.497, 6BB, 24K.
High-leverage: 83 PA, 11 BB; medium/low-leverage: 160 PA, 12BB
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2017 22:08:13 GMT -5
Or. Hear me out. Reed and kimbrel may be unavailable. As I was saying Then why the f*ck did he pitch Kimbrel last night when it was 5-1?
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