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Post by jimed14 on Aug 22, 2017 13:05:00 GMT -5
Lin has been worth +1.1 fWAR more than Holt this year. Yeah, I know that's not exactly a fair comparison. And even if we agree Lin's offensive performance was an aberration at he and Holt are even in that regard, speed and superior glove should make that decision easy. Holt's 2 XBH in 98 PAs aren't cutting it.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 22, 2017 13:19:27 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Aug 22, 2017 13:44:36 GMT -5
You just don't want Price opting out if he comes back after Tommy John surgery and looks like David Price all over again. I can't stress that enough. Yeah I do. But if he has TJ surgery he won't be healed in time to look like "David Price all over again" before the opt-out comes due.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 22, 2017 14:09:55 GMT -5
Price's opt-out is after next season. If he got TJ today, he still wouldn't get on a major league mound before the opt-out, in which case there would be zero chance he exercises it.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 22, 2017 14:38:18 GMT -5
Price's opt-out is after next season. If he got TJ today, he still wouldn't get on a major league mound before the opt-out, in which case there would be zero chance he exercises it. Exactly. For anyone who's hoping for an opt-out, there has to be a recovery without TJ surgery and a great year for 2018. Otherwise the Sox own him.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 22, 2017 14:49:38 GMT -5
Looked to me as if Barnes lost his release point, again, in yesterday's game. He falls off to the left, his pitching arm flies up, and everything ends up high and outside. Trying to regain control, he aims the ball with results like what happened with Escobar. The consistency thing isn't there.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 22, 2017 15:01:54 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I think the Red Sox were planning some kind of move for a while. The PawSox had no future probable starters listed out on Sunday, and yesterday they only listed Johnson yesterday and Elias today. Velazquez would have started tomorrow (Kendrick has been activated off the DL to take that start).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 22, 2017 15:14:21 GMT -5
Minimum of 30 innings pitched, Heath Hembree is leading the league in letting inherited runners to score at 47 percent, yet this is the first guy John Farrell goes to in the 8th with runners on.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 22, 2017 15:15:16 GMT -5
I don't see how the Sox win tonight's game unless there's a quick hook from John Farrell with Doug Fister.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 22, 2017 15:27:38 GMT -5
I don't see how the Sox win tonight's game unless there's a quick hook from John Farrell with Doug Fister. I wonder how many of us honestly think Sox can win 2 of the next 3? At this point I'm thinking 1 win is the best-case scenario.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 22, 2017 15:32:18 GMT -5
I don't see how the Sox win tonight's game unless there's a quick hook from John Farrell with Doug Fister. I wonder how many of us honestly think Sox can win 2 of the next 3? At this point I'm thinking 1 win is the best-case scenario. I think we'll take at least two.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 22, 2017 15:36:24 GMT -5
Guess which famous baseball writer wrote a long piece about Yaz turning 79 until someone from this group pointed it out? the original article also said the guy covered Yaz from 1969 til the end of his career in 1973.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 22, 2017 16:54:59 GMT -5
Just want to make one last comment and stats backing up how dumb it was to not put Reed in yesterday's game-
-Reed made 80 appearances in 2016 with 77 innings pitched.
-He has thrown on back to back days 20 times this year and did it 27 times last year.
-As I mentioned he has pitched 3 days in a row 3 different times this year.
-Reed only threw 12 pitches on Sunday
I'm sorry the nightmares of Tazawa has burned most of you. Reed isn't Tazawa, he's more like the modern day Mike Timlin. It'll be comical if Farrell used Reed tonight if the Sox were behind late in this game.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 22, 2017 17:06:10 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 22, 2017 17:08:47 GMT -5
Just want to make one last comment and stats backing up how dumb it was to not put Reed in yesterday's game- -Reed made 80 appearances in 2016 with 77 innings pitched -He has thrown on back to back days 20 times this year and did it 27 times last year. -As I mentioned he has pitched 3 days in a row 3 different times this year. -Reed only threw 12 pitches on Sunday I'm sorry the nightmares of Tazawa has burned most of you. Reed isn't Tazawa, he's more like the modern day Mike Timlin. It'll be comical if Farrell used Reed tonight if the Sox were behind late in this game. Being. Used. A. Lot. Doesn't. Mean. He's. Unbreakable. There is plenty - PLENTY - to criticize with Farrell's decision making while keeping this within the bounds of the six relievers who were actually available to pitch. If the Red Sox push him so hard now that he's ineffective in October then it's going to be extremely difficult for them to win anything. He's their second best reliever, and it's a fairly big gap from him until #3. For all the legitimate to harp on last night, "Addison Reed should have been available when he wasn't" is wishcasting, not criticism. It was apparently Reed who said he needed a day, too. This wasn't just Farrell being like "nah, just not going to use my second-best reliever tonight." He talks to his players and gauges when they need time. Despite your insistence, this wasn't a "must-win" game or anything close to it. It was a game in August against a good team. You don't burn your relievers out in regular season games if they feel, themselves, that they need a day. On top of the physical wear of pitching, giving him the night off from the outset gives him a mental break as well. It's hard being a short reliever who needs to stay amped up to do so every day, and those scheduled days off are a godsend. The Red Sox don't have a day off on the schedule this week, so Reed got last night. But since you know more than Farrell, Willis, Bannister, and Reed himself on when Reed needs a day, I'll make sure they consult you first the next time they're making out the lineup card.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 22, 2017 17:17:39 GMT -5
I'll just agree to disagree here. I'd rather pitch Reed a little extra in a game you *need* to have knowing full well that you're not going to have a lead the next 2 games anyways.
There are times to push players in season as well as the playoffs. Yesterday was one of those times.
Edit- I just want to again add that it's very ironic that this coaching staff airs on the side of caution with Reed as they let their starting short stop swing a bat with a bad hand for over a month. Watching him "work through" that period as he managed to hit the ball with no authority waa really beneficial to the team.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 22, 2017 17:40:56 GMT -5
I'll just agree to disagree here. I'd rather pitch Reed a little extra in a game you *need* to have knowing full well that you're not going to have a lead the next 2 games anyways. Come on Pedro. You don't know this.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 22, 2017 17:48:36 GMT -5
I'll just agree to disagree here. I'd rather pitch Reed a little extra in a game you *need* to have knowing full well that you're not going to have a lead the next 2 games anyways. Come on Pedro. You don't know this. It doesn't look good Jerry. Tonight's game look a David versus Goliath matchup. Pomeranz will have to go pitch for pitch with Kluber, which is very hard to do.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 22, 2017 18:05:12 GMT -5
Come on Pedro. You don't know this. It doesn't look good Jerry. Tonight's game look a David versus Goliath matchup. Pomeranz will have to go pitch for pitch with Kluber, which is very hard to do. Yes. but that's why the play the games, brother. Our guys will give em everything they got.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 22, 2017 18:06:16 GMT -5
Hanley's homerun last night was great. Would be something if he kicks it up a notch or two.
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Post by marrcus on Aug 22, 2017 18:57:54 GMT -5
Hanley's homerun..."
Which is why you had to go all out. Two of your four hits are HR's! Andrew's hr skips right over the wall and Miller goes down unexpectedly. You had it all going for you in the luck dept. You had to win last night.
"1 win is the best-case scenario"
I hope not but it's what I'm seeing and I'm still pissed at Bradley swinging 3-0 and Vazquez not running hard on a ball crushed to the RF wall. I don't know if he could have got a double but I know there was no chance if he was in a hr trot going to 1b.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 22, 2017 19:22:12 GMT -5
Sox better win tonight to help get my mind off the trainwreck of a deal the Celtics just pulled off.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 22, 2017 19:24:02 GMT -5
MFY leading the Tigers 7 to 1. We could end up with 2.5 games lead after tomorrow.
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Post by station13 on Aug 22, 2017 19:24:56 GMT -5
Minimum of 30 innings pitched, Heath Hembree is leading the league in letting inherited runners to score at 47 percent, yet this is the first guy John Farrell goes to in the 8th with runners on. There was just Hembree left to face E5. You like Scott to do that? Workman appearance was also emergency.
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Post by jmei on Aug 22, 2017 19:28:45 GMT -5
Edit- I just want to again add that it's very ironic that this coaching staff airs on the side of caution with Reed as they let their starting short stop swing a bat with a bad hand for over a month. Watching him "work through" that period as he managed to hit the ball with no authority waa really beneficial to the team. This goes both ways-- you can't criticize Farrell for letting Bogaerts play through injury issues while simultaneously criticizing him for holding Reed out. Just like Farrell, you need to pick one or the other.
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