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9/18-9/20 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 20, 2017 1:36:35 GMT -5
With a lefty (Miley) on the mound tomorrow and an off day Thursday, I wouldn't mind seeing both Devers and Moreland get a rest. (Kimbrel too of course).
It should be noted that for about the last two times through the rotation, the starters have been pulled at around 100 pitches regardless of the situation. The range that I recall is about 96 to 103 pitches. They're getting rested but in a different way than usually is the case.
Benintendi has pretty much been the team MVP of the stretch drive.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2017 2:18:34 GMT -5
The scary part about this bullpen this September is that they had another 1 or 2 arms to go, if they kept going into extras. They had Maddox and Workman available. Count 3 arms if Price was available.
There's not a team in baseball that can match the Sox depth and talent this September in the bullpen. The Sox have needed every arm with all the extra innings piling up.
I imagine that there are a bunch of guys unavailable tomorrow- Kimbrel Reed Kelly Smith
I don't think Farrell will want to touch these guys with a ten foot pole in tomorrow's game.
It would be nice to see one last Chris Sale 7 inning masterpiece this season tomorrow and then hand the ball off to Price for the last 2 innings to finish it off.
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Post by rivenp on Sept 20, 2017 2:22:10 GMT -5
It should be noted that for about the last two times through the rotation, the starters have been pulled at around 100 pitches regardless of the situation. The range that I recall is about 96 to 103 pitches. They're getting rested but in a different way than usually is the case. which makes it even more interesting that jf pushed erod to 110 the other day...could be that since he doesn't have all that many innings due to injury this year jf wanted to push him a bit and see what happens.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 20, 2017 2:25:52 GMT -5
It should be noted that for about the last two times through the rotation, the starters have been pulled at around 100 pitches regardless of the situation. The range that I recall is about 96 to 103 pitches. They're getting rested but in a different way than usually is the case. which makes it even more interesting that jf pushed erod to 110 the other day...could be that since he doesn't have all that many innings due to injury this year jf wanted to push him a bit and see what happens. Yes, I forgot about ERod but as you pointed out, he shouldn't need much rest anyways.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2017 2:44:00 GMT -5
Lineup out. Pedrioa out and expected to be back tomorrow. Sam Travis in at DH versus a RHP. I think we are seeing Travis on the playoff roster over Young. Young actually has hit RHP recently and he's not starting tonight. Eh, maybe? this will be Travis's 4th start in September to Young's 3, but they've only had 2 games against a LH starter, so it's tough to make much of it. Young has started every single game against a LH starting pitcher this season. Travis getting a DH start against a RH doesn't mean that Farrell thinks more of him facing left-handers. Meant to comment on this, but couldn't get to it. As Jerry pointed out, Travis is also starting tomorrow versus a LHP and unless Young starts over Benintendi, he will be out of the lineup again tomorrow. Travis also saw a pinch hitting opportunity over Young in the game Pedrioa came out. When the Orioles brought in a LHP to face Holt, he brought in Travis over Young to pinch hit versus a lefty. I think Farrell really likes Travis peronally. From my perspective, all signs point to Travis getting a playoff spot over Young. Rob Bradford also mentioned it on WEEI on the pregame show too.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 20, 2017 5:39:34 GMT -5
Pete AbrahamVerified account @peteabe 6h6 hours ago More Before tonight, last time the Red Sox won 1-0 on a wild pitch was June 23, 1916. Dick Hobitzell scored. (Thanks @eliassports)
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 20, 2017 5:45:23 GMT -5
Pete AbrahamVerified account @peteabe 6h6 hours ago More Before tonight, last time the Red Sox won 1-0 on a wild pitch was June 23, 1916. Dick Hobitzell scored. (Thanks @eliassports) Eh, it sounds like about a once-a-century occurrence, so the Sox were slightly overdue? How's that for butchering statistics??
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 20, 2017 6:07:08 GMT -5
Pete AbrahamVerified account @peteabe 6h6 hours ago More Before tonight, last time the Red Sox won 1-0 on a wild pitch was June 23, 1916. Dick Hobitzell scored. (Thanks @eliassports) Eh, it sounds like about a once-a-century occurrence, so the Sox were slightly overdue? How's that for butchering statistics?? lol, I'm not so sure the tweet isn't butchered and should have included the words 'in extra innings'. The answer should be there in the next Elias update.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2017 6:48:59 GMT -5
Doesn't look likely that they'll be getting any help from the Twins in the matchup of Severino vs. Colon today at 1pm.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 20, 2017 8:16:45 GMT -5
Pete Abe had it right: A wild pitch by Brad Brach in the top of the 11th inning brought home Jackie Bradley, Jr. with the only run of the Red Sox’ 1–0 victory over the Orioles. It had been over 100 years since the last time the Red Sox won a game by a 1–0 score with the lone run scoring on a wild pitch. On June 23, 1916, Dick Hoblitzell scored on a wild pitch by Philadelphia A’s starter Tom Sheehan in the seventh inning to produce the only run in Boston’s 1–0 triumph.
With the win, the Red Sox improved to 15–3 in extra-inning games this season, tying their franchise record for most extra-inning wins in a season. Boston went 15–14 in games that required at least 10 innings in 1943. Only one major-league team in the last 50 years finished a season with at least 15 extra-inning victories and no more than three extra-inning losses. That was the Orioles, who posted a 16–2 record in games that went past nine innings in 2012. www.espn.com/blog/elias-says/post/_/id/1480/elias-says-sept-20-2017
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 20, 2017 8:30:25 GMT -5
Doesn't look likely that they'll be getting any help from the Twins in the matchup of Severino vs. Colon today at 1pm. Joe PosnanskiVerified account @jposnanski 9h9 hours ago More Yankees now 87-33 against Twins since 2002. In tomorrow's game, I hear the Twins are using these new rocket skates they just got from Acme.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 20, 2017 9:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 20, 2017 10:02:53 GMT -5
Is Price available tonight? It would be pretty awesome if the theoretically top 3 guys in the bullpen were unavailable and we were still able to run out Maddox, Workman and Price.
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Post by p23w on Sept 20, 2017 12:39:49 GMT -5
The scary part about this bullpen this September is that they had another 1 or 2 arms to go, if they kept going into extras. They had Maddox and Workman available. Count 3 arms if Price was available. There's not a team in baseball that can match the Sox depth and talent this September in the bullpen. The Sox have needed every arm with all the extra innings piling up. I imagine that there are a bunch of guys unavailable tomorrow- Kimbrel Reed Kelly Smith I don't think Farrell will want to touch these guys with a ten foot pole in tomorrow's game. It would be nice to see one last Chris Sale 7 inning masterpiece this season tomorrow and then hand the ball off to Price for the last 2 innings to finish it off.From your keyboard to the Gods' of baseball's ear's.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 20, 2017 13:26:30 GMT -5
i was pleasantly surprised to see the Twins beating the MFY 3-0, so I went on Gamecast. That was the wrong move. The Twins should be ashamed of their effort in this series.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2017 14:09:56 GMT -5
i was pleasantly surprised to see the Twins beating the MFY 3-0, so I went on Gamecast. That was the wrong move. The Twins should be ashamed of their effort in this series. I hope they miss the playoffs now. How do you lay down when you're in the middle of a playoff spot like that?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 20, 2017 14:26:47 GMT -5
i was pleasantly surprised to see the Twins beating the MFY 3-0, so I went on Gamecast. That was the wrong move. The Twins should be ashamed of their effort in this series. I hope they miss the playoffs now. How do you lay down when you're in the middle of a playoff spot like that? The Twins pitchers in today's game are the corpse of Bartolo Colon, Tyler Duffey, Nik Turley (yes THAT Nik Turley www.soxprospects.com/players/turley-nik.htm), and Michael Tonkin. I'd go ahead and say it's not "lack of effort" so much as "they probably weren't that good to begin with, but the AL Wild Card is a race between a bunch of very flawed teams." Heck, the Twins WERE SELLERS AT THE TRADE DEADLINE but nobody wants the second wild card, so here they are. There's a very clear top 4 in the AL and then a bunch of yuck. The 7 teams ostensibly fighting for the second wild card all have losing records in their last 10. This is one of those years in which having a fifth playoff team isn't necessarily a good thing except for the fact that it'll force the fourth playoff team to actually have a disadvantage entering the LDS.
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Post by cutz on Sept 20, 2017 14:34:03 GMT -5
Doesn't look likely that they'll be getting any help from the Twins in the matchup of Severino vs. Colon today at 1pm. Colon is a borderline "BP" pitcher at this point in his career. So, not surprised at all. I only thought the Twins had one chance to win a game, and that was the first game(Santana - Garcia), but they couldn't hit Garcia? Oh well, with the Sox up 3 games with 11 to play, they just have to take care of ther own business and not scoreboard watch. GOOD position to be in.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 20, 2017 14:50:26 GMT -5
I hope they miss the playoffs now. How do you lay down when you're in the middle of a playoff spot like that? The Twins pitchers in today's game are the corpse of Bartolo Colon, Tyler Duffey, Nik Turley (yes THAT Nik Turley www.soxprospects.com/players/turley-nik.htm), and Michael Tonkin. I'd go ahead and say it's not "lack of effort" so much as "they probably weren't that good to begin with, but the AL Wild Card is a race between a bunch of very flawed teams." Heck, the Twins WERE SELLERS AT THE TRADE DEADLINE but nobody wants the second wild card, so here they are. There's a very clear top 4 in the AL and then a bunch of yuck. The 7 teams ostensibly fighting for the second wild card all have losing records in their last 10. This is one of those years in which having a fifth playoff team isn't necessarily a good thing except for the fact that it'll force the fourth playoff team to actually have a disadvantage entering the LDS. I don't think having a fifth playoff team is ever a good thing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 20, 2017 14:57:49 GMT -5
With a lefty (Miley) on the mound tomorrow and an off day Thursday, I wouldn't mind seeing both Devers and Moreland get a rest. (Kimbrel too of course). It should be noted that for about the last two times through the rotation, the starters have been pulled at around 100 pitches regardless of the situation. The range that I recall is about 96 to 103 pitches. They're getting rested but in a different way than usually is the case. Benintendi has pretty much been the team MVP of the stretch drive. Rob BradfordVerified account @bradfo 1h1 hour ago More Farrell said on @weei Rafael Devers is off today. Noted miscues probably related to first time it's his first sixth-month season . . . That was my thought except not redundant.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 20, 2017 15:12:08 GMT -5
I hope they miss the playoffs now. How do you lay down when you're in the middle of a playoff spot like that? The Twins pitchers in today's game are the corpse of Bartolo Colon, Tyler Duffey, Nik Turley (yes THAT Nik Turley www.soxprospects.com/players/turley-nik.htm), and Michael Tonkin. I'd go ahead and say it's not "lack of effort" so much as "they probably weren't that good to begin with, but the AL Wild Card is a race between a bunch of very flawed teams." Heck, the Twins WERE SELLERS AT THE TRADE DEADLINE but nobody wants the second wild card, so here they are. There's a very clear top 4 in the AL and then a bunch of yuck. The 7 teams ostensibly fighting for the second wild card all have losing records in their last 10. This is one of those years in which having a fifth playoff team isn't necessarily a good thing except for the fact that it'll force the fourth playoff team to actually have a disadvantage entering the LDS. I agree. Effort is the wrong word. It is performance that should be noted. However, you can control your performance, in and of as much as that is controllable variable, and this was a very poor showing. As their record from 2002 v The Yankees was mentioned, this is a continuation of poor performances against the MFY. At some point, it is fair to say they should be held to account, no?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2017 15:28:24 GMT -5
The Twins pitchers in today's game are the corpse of Bartolo Colon, Tyler Duffey, Nik Turley (yes THAT Nik Turley www.soxprospects.com/players/turley-nik.htm), and Michael Tonkin. I'd go ahead and say it's not "lack of effort" so much as "they probably weren't that good to begin with, but the AL Wild Card is a race between a bunch of very flawed teams." Heck, the Twins WERE SELLERS AT THE TRADE DEADLINE but nobody wants the second wild card, so here they are. There's a very clear top 4 in the AL and then a bunch of yuck. The 7 teams ostensibly fighting for the second wild card all have losing records in their last 10. This is one of those years in which having a fifth playoff team isn't necessarily a good thing except for the fact that it'll force the fourth playoff team to actually have a disadvantage entering the LDS. I agree. Effort is the wrong word. It is performance that should be noted. However, you can control your performance, in and of as much as that is controllable variable, and this was a very poor showing. As their record from 2002 v The Yankees was mentioned, this is a continuation of poor performances against the MFY. At some point, it is fair to say they should be held to account, no? The Twins are quite mediocre this season as are the teams they're competing with for that 2nd Wild Card, but still, this is a 15 year thing. The Twins, I think, are 33-88 against the Yankees since 2002. That's the performance of a really, really bad expansion team. At this point being a Wild Card can't scare the Yankees too much. I think at this point they'd be more scared of knocking the Twins behind the Angels rather than actually having to play a 1 and done sudden death playoff game against Minnesota. A home game against the Twins is a virtual victory for the Yankees, so it's not that much of a punishment if they fail to catch the Red Sox. At this point I'm hoping the Angels catch the Twins and play the Yankees. At least they'd stand a chance to win.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2017 15:32:19 GMT -5
I was disappointed to read that Devers will be the 3b in the post-season. Why can't he be the DH? Why not play Nunez at 3b with Pedroia at 2b? Hanley hasn't been right all year so I don't see any reason that he has to be the DH, and even though Nunez isn't great defensively I would think he'd be better right now at 3b than Devers who almost threw last night's victory away. DHing Nunez or Pedroia doesn't make a lot of sense. They should both be in the lineup and the field at the same time, and they certainly need Devers' bat, so I think DH makes sense. I hope Farrell reconsiders.
I'm sure fatigue from the 6th month is a factor in Devers' defensive struggles, but it isn't going to be any easier during the 7th month either.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 20, 2017 15:47:15 GMT -5
The Twinkies - not a playoff team.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 20, 2017 16:10:28 GMT -5
RED SOX
Xander Bogaerts SS
Dustin Pedroia 2B
Andrew Benintendi LF
Mookie Betts RF
Hanley Ramirez DH
Sam Travis 1B
Deven Marrero 3B
Sandy Leon C
Jackie Bradley Jr. CF
Chris Sale LHP
As you may recall from my discussion with PFF, this is the first time Young hasn't started against a LHP this year. I'll agree that it's now clear Travis is being evaluated, at least, for Young's spot on the playoff roster (I still think it's going too far to say with certainty this means he's ahead of him at this point in time).
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