2018 Red Sox roster building

I just assumed that Gregorius would stick at short stop, Manny would play third, and Torres would play second. That's all of their natural positions outside of Torres. I suppose you could be right by moving Gregorius over to somewhere else, like 2nd or 3rd base, and money is probably the biggest benefactor of convincing Didi to do that.

However, if the Sox traded for Machado right now and offered 320-340 million over 10 years and offered him the short stop position, that'd be really enticing to turn down if I'm Macahado.

Yeah... the key is definitely resigning him and I really don't see him not testing the market next offseason.

If the Sox didn't have a SS currently, I could see taking a chance on Machado for a year, hoping he enjoys Boston and hopefully being a SS would help in that regard.

Since we have Bogey, who is a top 10 SS and I think he will have a bounce back season, we are not adding all Machados value, as we are subtracting Bogeys value too.

Machado is the better player for sure, but how much better is the team after adding Machado and subtracting Bogey, while accounting for their upcoming contracts. What else does Boston lose to get Machado? What does Boston get for Bogey, if he is not in the Machado deal?

I think to get Machado without Bogey, we would need to discuss Groome, Chavis, Mata... probably two of them.

Then trade Bogey for.... prospects (lesser) to replace those traded for Machado?

I don't see it really... I think we should keep the prospects and Bogey. If after the season Machado is enticed to play for Boston, and Boston feels like Bogey will cost too much as a Boris (yes I did it) represented player, we can try to sign Machado and trade Bogey then. Perhaps Pomeranz is gone and we can trade Bogey for a replacement SP.

Just my two cents.

This whole Machado to Boston feels like leverage by the Sox to get Boras to buckle on JDM, and leverage for the Orioles to get value from some other team. This deal makes no sense

Baltimore reportedly turned down three players from the cubs for manny.

Not sure why they would not demand more from us. Bogey, Rodriguez, groome and chavis???

What three players? I highly doubt they turned down 3 players like Bogaerts,  ERod and Groome.

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New Year's, Fangraphs project the Yanks/Red Sox each 91-71 w/+104 RD, in playoffs w/Astros, Indians, Angels, Dodgers, Cubs, Nats, Cards, D'Backs

Sox send Porcello Groome Bogaerts Travis Johnson/Mata Ball and Holt. Boston eats 11 million of Porcello's contract. Sign Cobb or Lynn.

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And then what about next year?  Are you an Orioles fan?

We’re getting into trade proposal subforum territory here. As a reminder, general discussion of potential acquisitions is OK here, especially when it’s based off a widely reported rumor. However, try to keep specific trade proposals to the Machado thread in the trade proposal subforum. Thanks.

Jimed is on the money. Two years of X alone is worth one of Machado plus the draft pick, at least. Four years of Rodriguez is a gross overpay. And a lot of these proposals don’t warrant a response, they’re so ludicrous. It’s Cafardo country in here.

I went through something marginally similar when I broke my leg and needed surgery. This site provided a lot of time for me while recovering. Nothing wrong with throwing out ideas. Everyone does it and not all of them are to the liking of the other people here. The thing “wrong” with the ideas you threw out to me is the sheer volume of your proposal, in terms of talent and years of control. Too much going to the Orioles and not enough coming back.