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Red Sox vs. Astros 2017 ALDS Thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 5, 2017 19:29:47 GMT -5
Can Sale's struggles be fixed with a better working regime? It's really baffling how different he looks from the guy earlier this year and while he pitched a lot of innings, it wasn't Dusty Baker in the Cubs ridiculous.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 5, 2017 20:30:16 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if DD goes after a big power hitter in the offseason or stays the course and hopes the power returns. I'd put a 71% chance on the Red Sox signing JD Martinez this winter. OK. Now my feelings are hurt.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 5, 2017 20:59:07 GMT -5
On the bright side, if we can't beat the Stros and the Indians do their jobs against the MFY, it should set up one of the best ALCS of all time. That matchup would seriously be insane.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 5, 2017 21:05:44 GMT -5
On the bright side, if we can't beat the Stros and the Indians do their jobs against the MFY, it should set up one of the best ALCS of all time. That matchup would seriously be insane. Agree totally. As a baseball fan, Houston vs. Cleveland would be hard to beat.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Oct 5, 2017 21:14:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't even be mad. I honestly care more about the Yankees losing at this point than the Red Sox winning.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 5, 2017 21:29:06 GMT -5
I had a busy day and could only peek in now and then.
A few thoughts - we love our Red Sox - no doubt. They gutted out a first place finish - with our offense, really this was on the back of our pitchers. In the year of the home run, our team simply doesn't have enough offense - Papi never did get replaced (be it injury or attitude or a combination of both, Hanley severely underperformed. My opinion is that his negativity spread - he didn't provide the needed leadership in a team with so much youth. That's just my opinion of course, but I've never seen him as a good fit for this team - and this year it was pretty glaring).
One other thing - all of the extra inning games meant we played essentially a 168 plus game season. We were too thin to have that NOT make an impact, I think. Nunez injury hurt as well (no pun intended)
So to me - part Farrell (occasional odd decisions, with line up construction and now and then pitching decisions - and a stubborn streak with players like Hanley and Young), part Dombrowski - the team construction was flawed with the lack of a big bat (or several). Not sure what part Chili Davis plays in all of this.
So I hope that somehow the ship gets righted and we win this series. But Houston looks strong.
And if an early exit means a goodbye to Farrell, I would be pretty happy about it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 5, 2017 21:29:13 GMT -5
I think the last three posts are totally spot on. I could live with and actually enjoy a Cleveland/Houston ALCS and would root for whichever one gets in the series. And if it's an LA/Washington matchup that sends one of them to the series, then somebody will end at least a 30 year drought. And if the Indians win, Tito becomes a lock for the HOF.
If LA wins Dave Roberts gets another ring and I can get behind that, too.
And Houston and Washington never win anything or even get to the Series (well except the ancient Washington Senators), so I can enjoy them there, too.
As long as it isn't the Yankees, I can live with it. I want them to lose more than I want the Red Sox to win.
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Post by cheers on Oct 5, 2017 21:37:24 GMT -5
I had a busy day and could only peek in now and then. A few thoughts - we love our Red Sox - no doubt. They gutted out a first place finish - with our offense, really this was on the back of our pitchers. In the year of the home run, our team simply doesn't have enough offense - Papi never did get replaced (be it injury or attitude or a combination of both, Hanley severely underperformed. My opinion is that his negativity spread - he didn't provide the needed leadership in a team with so much youth. That's just my opinion of course, but I've never seen him as a good fit for this team - and this year it was pretty glaring). One other thing - all of the extra inning games meant we played essentially a 168 plus game season. We were too thin to have that NOT make an impact, I think. Nunez injury hurt as well (no pun intended) So to me - part Farrell (occasional odd decisions, with line up construction and now and then pitching decisions - and a stubborn streak with players like Hanley and Young), part Dombrowski - the team construction was flawed with the lack of a big bat (or several). Not sure what part Chili Davis plays in all of this. So I hope that somehow the ship gets righted and we win this series. But Houston looks strong. And if an early exit means a goodbye to Farrell, I would be pretty happy about it.
Honestly, I think the "Ramirez isn't doing enough" thing is overblown. I've seen Pedey jump joyously into Ramirez' arms a couple times. Pedey is a red-a**. If Ramirez was dogging, Pedroia wouldn't celebrate with him that way.
So, Hanley has underperfomed -- but I don't think we should take it as a personal affront.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 5, 2017 21:53:19 GMT -5
I had a busy day and could only peek in now and then. A few thoughts - we love our Red Sox - no doubt. They gutted out a first place finish - with our offense, really this was on the back of our pitchers. In the year of the home run, our team simply doesn't have enough offense - Papi never did get replaced (be it injury or attitude or a combination of both, Hanley severely underperformed. My opinion is that his negativity spread - he didn't provide the needed leadership in a team with so much youth. That's just my opinion of course, but I've never seen him as a good fit for this team - and this year it was pretty glaring). One other thing - all of the extra inning games meant we played essentially a 168 plus game season. We were too thin to have that NOT make an impact, I think. Nunez injury hurt as well (no pun intended) So to me - part Farrell (occasional odd decisions, with line up construction and now and then pitching decisions - and a stubborn streak with players like Hanley and Young), part Dombrowski - the team construction was flawed with the lack of a big bat (or several). Not sure what part Chili Davis plays in all of this. So I hope that somehow the ship gets righted and we win this series. But Houston looks strong. And if an early exit means a goodbye to Farrell, I would be pretty happy about it.
Honestly, I think the "Ramirez isn't doing enough" thing is overblown. I've seen Pedey jump joyously into Ramirez' arms a couple times. Pedey is a red-a**. If Ramirez was dogging, Pedroia wouldn't celebrate with him that way.
So, Hanley has underperfomed -- but I don't think we should take it as a personal affront.
Pedro seems to think it is an issue - www.weei.com/blogs/alex-reimer/pedro-martinez-criticizes-hanley-ramirez-omf-lack-leadership
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Post by jmei on Oct 5, 2017 22:06:44 GMT -5
The Pedro quote is about leadership, not effort. No one should have expected Hanley Ramirez to replace David Ortiz's leadership.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 5, 2017 22:13:33 GMT -5
The Pedro quote is about leadership, not effort. No one should have expected Hanley Ramirez to replace David Ortiz's leadership. Agreed. Replace was not a reasonable expectation - but to not even come close? And like I said, I've never been a Hanley guy.
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Post by jmei on Oct 5, 2017 22:26:39 GMT -5
Frankly, if the issue is a lack of leadership, the guys you have to look at are Dustin Pedroia and, to a lesser extent, Mookie Betts and Xander Bogaerts.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 5, 2017 22:27:53 GMT -5
I think Hanley's shoulders played a big part in him not being so good. The other I think was his approach. Hanley looks like a guy who's always trying to hit the ball to the moon.
I don't think he dogged anything though and I don't see his attitude as negative. He comes off as easygoing. The problem is that he simply isn't a leader and the Sox have a lot of young guys who don't really have a leader to turn to. Pedroia certainly was no leader either.
The leader thing is probably overblown, but when Papi was here, there was no doubt who everybody looked to.
They totally missed his presence in the clubhouse and certainly in the middle of the order.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 6, 2017 1:38:23 GMT -5
Wow, the MLB really sucks at scheduling. How are people who work in Boston supposed to watch these games? My bigger complaint is with Warner Bros. scheduling the release of Blade Runner 2049 to conflict with this afternoon's game. I saw the first matinee showing of the original the day it was released (as an immense fan of Phil Dick's novel) and there was never any question that I'd see the sequel tonight at 7:00 PM at Jordan's IMAX in Natick. So after the first completed half-inning between 4:45 and 5:00 PM, I'm pausing the DVR, and my godson (who's been developing a rather amazing sci-fi script) and I are taking off, driving 30 minutes, and standing in line for about 90 to get the best seats (during which time we'll do more far-future world-building for his flick). I'm hoping that no one behind me in line will spoil the game. I usually wait to the end of the credits and leave the theater after everyone anyway, but this time it'll have the added advantage of avoiding casual fans who are looking up the final score on their phones and reporting it in loud voices. I should be back with the game at 9:45, whereupon I'll finish it and watch the other one. I think I have to change my Sunday plans, though, which involved a trip to the Peabody-Essex Museum to see (Metallica's) Kirk Hammett's epic collection of vintage sci-fi and horror movie posters, and fried clams at Woodman's or Farnham's. This will be the third time we've canceled those plans, and the clams are getting really restless. Blade Runner 2049 was "kind of impossibly great," to quote one of my rare Facebook status updates. How did the Sox do? Seriously, I hope Sam Travis is in uni tomorrow.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 6, 2017 2:11:33 GMT -5
It'll be CY, it's already been announced.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 6, 2017 3:22:58 GMT -5
Is Farrell going to CY in tomorrow's lineup or or will he put Marrero at second base and DH Pedrioa?
That's the real question. My guess is that he goes to the finished CY.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 6, 2017 6:15:35 GMT -5
Or Marrero @ 3B.
The curse of Brentz took down Nunie
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 6, 2017 7:08:40 GMT -5
I know Kuechel is supposed to be tough on lefties, but it'd be a mistake to take Devers out. He's one of the few bats that actually change the momentum of a game with one swing.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Oct 6, 2017 7:21:47 GMT -5
I didn't get to watch the game at all and I have not read the first few pages of this thread.
Is there a chance the Astros had the signs stolen? Back to back HR off Sale and Altuve with three dingers seems just so out of whack off a very rested Chris Sale. I'm seeing multiple posts about his slider being flat, but something about the apparent number of hard hit balls seems not right.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 6, 2017 7:28:15 GMT -5
Frankly, if the issue is a lack of leadership, the guys you have to look at are Dustin Pedroia and, to a lesser extent, Mookie Betts and Xander Bogaerts. Ehh, Bogaerts and Betts are only 24. Betts has never even won a playoff game. That's a lot to expect. I guess it's more fair to expect leadership from Pedroia as the veteran of the team, but even then it's not really what every guy is. I know Cal Ripken always got the leadership stuff put on his plate by virtue of his status, and he was supposedly never totally comfortable with it. I'm sure there are others like that. Nomar, infamously. If there's a leadership gap then it comes from the manager and coaches, but given how many come-from-behind/extra-inning wins down the stretch, I really don't think the gap with this team is leadership in that sense. I think they're just less talented than the Astros and Indians.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 6, 2017 7:57:37 GMT -5
Win today and it's a 3 game series with home field advantage. Lose today and it's a
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Post by costpet on Oct 6, 2017 8:54:22 GMT -5
Lack of power has been a problem all season. When the other team has it, this is what you get. I'm sure it's on DD's list for next season. We have no power guy in the middle of the lineup. I just hope we win at least one game in the playoffs. Then, check the free agent list for next year.
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Post by station13 on Oct 6, 2017 9:43:05 GMT -5
I know Kuechel is supposed to be tough on lefties, but it'd be a mistake to take Devers out. He's one of the few bats that actually change the momentum of a game with one swing. Devers vs LHP .400 .474 .600 Farrell is stupid, but he isn't that stupid.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 6, 2017 10:19:02 GMT -5
Another great day for October baseball !! JF no good, DD no good, our team not as good, scheduling no good...etc...etc.. We got another game, though, very good.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 6, 2017 10:41:20 GMT -5
Last few days of John Farrell. Good riddance.
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