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Post by wildcardwillie on Oct 9, 2017 15:37:40 GMT -5
Look, I would love to blame Farrell for the go-ahead run. But at a certain level, your All-Star closer needs to be able to do his job. He didn't. didn't look sharp at all, what can you do!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 9, 2017 15:38:19 GMT -5
Look, I would love to blame Farrell for the go-ahead run. But at a certain level, your All-Star closer needs to be able to do his job. He didn't. I mostly agree - but set him up for success - he was perhaps over-rested. Take a tiring pitcher who gave it his all out, give Kimbrel a clean inning for a margin of error. My view, anyway....
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Post by bosox on Oct 9, 2017 15:38:50 GMT -5
And now the send from Third and the awful calls against Morton looming even larger. The bases loaded opportunity with no outs was a killer. Even with the bad calls.
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Post by bosox on Oct 9, 2017 15:39:25 GMT -5
Oh my...................................... And once again....a game that is a pretty good microcosm of the entire season. You mean the one with a lot of comebacks ? That would mean extra innings.
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Post by jmei on Oct 9, 2017 15:39:37 GMT -5
I mean, don't get me wrong, keeping Sale in there and going away from Reed (a really good reliever) was a bad decision. But Kimbrel deserves a good chunk of the blame.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 9, 2017 15:40:08 GMT -5
it is hard to prove, but this is why people having roles is a good tenet. It all seemed so messy, like we scratching for an answer. It has been done a certain way all year. But we have new philosophy, espoused by sabermetricians often, that that stuff is not necessary.
Whatever. We can come back. Let's go
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Post by klostrophobic on Oct 9, 2017 15:40:40 GMT -5
Just a get some baserunners here. Kimbrel will lock down the 9th when he enters with a clean slate.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 9, 2017 15:41:33 GMT -5
I mean, don't get me wrong, keeping Sale in there and going away from Reed (a really good reliever) was a bad decision. But Kimbrel deserves a good chunk of the blame. I don't think Kimbrel has pitched with runners on since May or June. If we go by the creatures of habit theory it was an adjustment. That said your original point about using Reed for what you got him for is definitive.
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Post by m1keyboots on Oct 9, 2017 15:41:49 GMT -5
Look, I would love to blame Farrell for the go-ahead run. But at a certain level, your All-Star closer needs to be able to do his job. He didn't. I mostly agree - but set him up for success - he was perhaps over-rested. Take a tiring pitcher who gave it his all out, give Kimbrel a clean inning for a margin of error. My view, anyway.... I'd like to be clear that I agree with what you're saying 100%. I still feel like it wasnt the wrong thinf to do to go to sale to start the 8th. Kimbrel didn't look lights out and people can blame it not being a clean inning or whatever, but I feel like it's a good chance to agree to disagree ya know. Im just disappointed that this will be entirely blamed on John Farrell
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 9, 2017 15:42:18 GMT -5
Hey look a clean 6 out save opportunity. I wish the Sox had one of those.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 9, 2017 15:42:40 GMT -5
I don't even want to look at the stats for home many times the Sox have come back when down in the 8th inning.
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Post by jmei on Oct 9, 2017 15:43:02 GMT -5
it is hard to prove, but this is why people having roles is a good tenet. It all seemed so messy, like we scratching for an answer. It has been done a certain way all year. But we have new philosophy, espoused by sabermetricians often, that that stuff is not necessary. Keeping Sale in there is anything but a sabermetric decision. Second time through the order, with a fully warmed-up setup man at the ready, any analyst worth his/her salt would have taken Sale out there.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 9, 2017 15:44:11 GMT -5
And now the batters getting desperate swinging at balls out of the zone. I am nauseous.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 9, 2017 15:44:27 GMT -5
it is hard to prove, but this is why people having roles is a good tenet. It all seemed so messy, like we scratching for an answer. It has been done a certain way all year. But we have new philosophy, espoused by sabermetricians often, that that stuff is not necessary. Keeping Sale in there is anything but a sabermetric decision. Second time through the order, with a fully warmed-up setup man at the ready, any analyst worth his/her salt would have taken Sale out there. maybe not, but not having roles is definitely saber oriented. add: your right, worded poorly. but I stand by interchangeable relief roles.
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Post by wildcardwillie on Oct 9, 2017 15:44:39 GMT -5
ugggggggh!
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 9, 2017 15:44:47 GMT -5
He might have if you hadn't of put him in the worst position possible and without the lead. A dude on first isn't the worst position possible. If he can't deal with that he shouldn't be the closer.
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Post by klostrophobic on Oct 9, 2017 15:45:25 GMT -5
it is hard to prove, but this is why people having roles is a good tenet. It all seemed so messy, like we scratching for an answer. It has been done a certain way all year. But we have new philosophy, espoused by sabermetricians often, that that stuff is not necessary. Keeping Sale in there is anything but a sabermetric decision. Second time through the order, with a fully warmed-up setup man at the ready, any analyst worth his/her salt would have taken Sale out there. Yeah, obvious move is to go to Kimbrel to start the 8th. Clean inning, he's pitched once in like a week; it's the biggest 6 outs of the season. Easy move. Oh well. Maybe the bottom of the order will do something in the 9th.
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Post by jmei on Oct 9, 2017 15:45:39 GMT -5
Keeping Sale in there is anything but a sabermetric decision. Second time through the order, with a fully warmed-up setup man at the ready, any analyst worth his/her salt would have taken Sale out there. maybe not, but not having roles is definitely saber oriented. ...and it had worked out pretty damn well in this series until the top of the eighth. Worked pretty well in last year's playoffs, too (though not for the Red Sox).
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Post by m1keyboots on Oct 9, 2017 15:46:00 GMT -5
What could be lost was the dramatic and awesome decision to salvage the series by having price basically win us game three in a very unconventional coaching decision, and then doing the same thing with sale today and for it to be overshadowed, and ultimately forgotten after sale decides to throw 2 changeups to a right handed hitter
I guess we all think we can do better than the professionals after something goes awry
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 9, 2017 15:46:05 GMT -5
This game will come down to Devers in the bottom of the lineup. He's going to have to go deep. JBJ is a walking strikeout and Vazquez will probably chase too many sliders outside of the zone.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 9, 2017 15:47:28 GMT -5
He might have if you hadn't of put him in the worst position possible and without the lead. A dude on first isn't the worst position possible. If he can't deal with that he shouldn't be the closer. Agree to disagree there.
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Post by m1keyboots on Oct 9, 2017 15:49:14 GMT -5
A dude on first isn't the worst position possible. If he can't deal with that he shouldn't be the closer. Agree to disagree there. Dude on first with one* out* too.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 9, 2017 15:49:26 GMT -5
This game will come down to Devers in the bottom of the lineup. He's going to have to go deep. JBJ is a walking strikeout and Vazquez will probably chase too many sliders outside of the zone. If that's the case I think we're more likely to see the Sox have pick-six run back for a touchdown than a miracle bailout. We already got that from Benintendi.
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Post by 07redsox on Oct 9, 2017 15:50:27 GMT -5
Dude on first with one* out* too. Weren't there two outs?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 9, 2017 15:50:37 GMT -5
I am going to chalk this up to Kimbrel not having pitched because the alternative is that he friggin can't handle it and i don't want to believe that.
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